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DJExile posted:Guarantee Chicago shot the idea down before it could go anywhere Didnt the Leafs do the same thing with Hamilton/Toronto2?
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Furnaceface posted:Didnt the Leafs do the same thing with Hamilton/Toronto2? Yeah the then CEO of RIM tried to buy the Coyotes and move them to Hamilton. It didn't go very far.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:The Coyotes weren't an expansion team, they got a fairly functional Jets team and made the playoffs 5 times in their first 6 years upon moving to Phoenix. hence "looking past expansion to non-traditional market teams in general"
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hifi posted:arizona does this and the problem is that nobody wants to see the california teams or the bad teams back east, and now you can throw in vegas/arizona as teams that the other side is going to have a hard time filling the arena half full On one hand, you can't bank on opposing fans to fill your home arena. On the other hand, wow, the difference between Las Vegas and Scottsdale as tourist destinations. One business plan is a bit more tenable.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I would like to be the first to welcome Nashville fans to the thread In the famous words of Yogi Berra It ain't over till it's over. (though it's not looking good  )
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Captain Internet posted:On one hand, you can't bank on opposing fans to fill your home arena. On the other hand, wow, the difference between Las Vegas and Scottsdale as tourist destinations. One business plan is a bit more tenable. the big tourism industry in phoenix is snowbirds
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I would like to be the first to welcome Nashville fans to the thread Technically youre the second. Furnaceface posted:So... too early to welcome the end of the season? 
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and you absolutely can bank on other team's fans to fill your arena. plenty of teams have all sorts of schemes where you have to buy a week of games to see your hawks game or premium pricing or whatever. the problems are that you can't have a 100k seat stadium to fill to the gills with chicago assholes and then a 5k one the next day when the coyotes roll into town to play some really boring hockey
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Schlesische posted:The team is going to suck for a while, but until the NFL showed up it was going to be pretty safe. two things. first, the idea that the NFL is going to take away hockey fans is funny, and wholly indicative of why vegas is such a dumb market for hockey. second, the "snowbird hypothesis" is literally the bullshit story spun by paul newman in Slap Shot; there's a reason why it was a joke. apparently though it's an idea the NHL has taken seriously. e: third, raw attendance doesn't mean poo poo if your tickets are the price of an ECHL game. Gio fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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DJExile posted:Guarantee Chicago shot the idea down before it could go anywhere Don't know how much Wirtz had say in it, but the NHL was asking a $50m expansion fee for Milwaukee. Lloyd Pettit saw that as way too much so he pulled his bid.
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another thing about the arizona snowbirds is that they live here so they're already here in the hockey season. i agree that the plane ride and tickets for less than a game at home thing is probably way less occurring than message boards make it out to be, but seemingly half of phoenix is from philly/pittsburg/ny/minnesota or wherever too.
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MononcQc posted:at least Molson stepped in and forced Bergevin to sign Subban, not that it changed much in the end. I dunno how as an owner you step in at the 11th hour during the arbitration process, yet let him go last summer for Weber. God.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I would like to be the first to welcome Nashville fans to the thread it's a bullshit quote but no series starts until a road team wins
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Gio posted:two things. first, the idea that the NFL is going to take away hockey fans is funny, and wholly indicative of why vegas is such a dumb market for hockey. second, the "snowbird hypothesis" is literally the bullshit story spun by paul newman in Slap Shot; there's a reason why it was a joke. apparently though it's an idea the NHL has taken seriously. Firstly, The NFL is relevant due to the Business community, who purchase boxes and suites and are generally willing to pay significantly more than the plebs down below. Not selling out boxes is often significantly worse for a franchise than not selling out seats because it underlines a franchise's lack of ability to attract local sponsorships and other "it's small here, but it really adds up" budget stuff. Secondly, I never ever ever said Las Vegas was a good idea, just that the NHL was going to do it regardless because there was money on the table and it's an expansion into a market that is genuinely unserved by hockey. Same as how Arizona's (also Nashville, Florida, Tampa Bay, California, Atlanta) value is not solely in money now, but in the growth of the player pool which is potential growth in the US market. Keep in mind Hockey already has a relatively large international player pool relative to the rest of the 4 major US sports and doesn't need to go hell for leather running exhibition matches in places that don't give a poo poo (but will do so anyway because it's run by idiots). hifi posted:arizona does this and the problem is that nobody wants to see the california teams or the bad teams back east, and now you can throw in vegas/arizona as teams that the other side is going to have a hard time filling the arena half full Arizona doesn't have the same kind of raw tourism appeal Las Vegas can offer. For example, the Casinos (who plan on buying a bunch of boxes iirc) can offer their more "well off" clientelle spend a few nights in a high roller suite and, as part of the package, go watch their team from a pretty swish box. Arizona, not so much. iospace posted:Milwaukee had an NHL class arena ready to go. I think they didn't really want to go to Milwaukee because they view it as served by Chicago and the Minnesota franchise. Doesn't really make sense because ?Wisconsonites? mostly have a bred-in distaste of Chicago and don't have a massive liking for Minnesota too iirc. Chicago won't say no, but the "entrance fee" from both Minnesota and Chicago might have been set high enough as a deterrent - see also "Greater Toronto Area". Xtanstic posted:I swear a few weeks ago Bill Daly officially said that the NHL was done waiting around for Seattle to get its poo poo together Bettman also said something along the lines of "we just offered expansion, where the gently caress were you guys? Make us wait again, and we're loving through." when he admitted Vegas. Seattle still has a seat that is basically theirs since there's almost no chance Kansas want one, Milwaukee can't have one, Quebec is too small and french while Portland is too busy being Portland. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Schlesische posted:Bettman also said something along the lines of "we just offered expansion, where the gently caress were you guys? Make us wait again, and we're loving through." when he admitted Vegas. And Seattle will never take up because they're still a Goddamn pillar of salt about the Supersonics 10 years on. As in, among the plans for a basketball arena, at least one was specifically designed to be incompatible with ice hockey.
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I don't think Chicago would give a poo poo if there was a team in Milwaukee. We've already got two AHL teams, one of which I'm pretty sure is the only AHL team that actually sees a profit, and our NHL team is in bandwagon mode with a huge sellout streak and nosebleed seats are north of $100. There's also already decent comparisons in the area.. we got two baseball teams and they both benefit from a rivalry. Plus the whole Bears/Packers thing. Maybe under dollar bill there would have been grumbling. But now? They'd probably look at the Bears/Packers rivalry and see dollar signs.
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xzzy posted:There's also already decent comparisons in the area.. we got two baseball teams and they both benefit from a rivalry. I get what you're trying to say here but let's not pretend the Sox aren't anything beyond an afterthought in Chicago compared to the Cubs.
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xzzy posted:I don't think Chicago would give a poo poo if there was a team in Milwaukee. We've already got two AHL teams, one of which I'm pretty sure is the only AHL team that actually sees a profit, and our NHL team is in bandwagon mode with a huge sellout streak and nosebleed seats are north of $100. Well, I think part of the problem for Chicago back then, especially under the old ownership, was that they felt entitled to the Milwaukee market. 90 minute drive isn't a bad deal for NHL games. Hell, we've done it to go see Badger games.
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iospace posted:90 minute drive isn't a bad deal for NHL games. Tell that to the coyotes 
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iospace posted:Well, I think part of the problem for Chicago back then, especially under the old ownership, was that they felt entitled to the Milwaukee market. 90 minute drive isn't a bad deal for NHL games. Hell, we've done it to go see Badger games. Pfft, 90 minutes. You're looking at 2 hours or more once you factor in traffic. Getting to the united center is a loving chore.
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xzzy posted:Pfft, 90 minutes. You're looking at 2 hours or more once you factor in traffic. *pant pant pant* did someone push the senators button what did i miss
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flakeloaf posted:*pant pant pant* did someone push the senators button what did i miss the SCF
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JawKnee posted:the SCF 
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iospace posted:Well, I think part of the problem for Chicago back then, especially under the old ownership, was that they felt entitled to the Milwaukee market. 90 minute drive isn't a bad deal for NHL games. Hell, we've done it to go see Badger games. Bill Wirtz probably could have made a good case that Milwaukee should be in his television market back then. Y'know, if he actually allowed any games to be televised. Nowadays you see Blackhawks poo poo around Milwaukee all the time, but it's probably due to a good mix of Chicago transplants and bandwagon fans. There's also quite a few Detroit fans here too.
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Yeah the interviews with him and his wife from a couple years ago were really spooky. It sounded like he was a real mess.
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Good news is that Pronger is a UFA next summer, be interesting to see if any teams scoop him up!
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xzzy posted:Good news is that Pronger is a UFA next summer, be interesting to see if any teams scoop him up! He came off his Flyers contract as of this season, he's UFA as of the end of the finals.
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Hey I will have you know the 2010 Flyers were carried into the cup finals by the amazing goaltending troika of Michael Leighton, Brian Boucher, and Johan Backlund. 
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DJExile posted:Hey I will have you know the 2010 Flyers were carried into the cup finals by the amazing goaltending troika of Michael Leighton, Brian Boucher, and Johan Backlund. And then proceeded to unleash the insufferable fanbase that is Chicago Sports Fans.
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DJExile posted:Johan Backlund. You just made that up. iospace posted:And then proceeded to unleash the insufferable fanbase that is Chicago Sports Fans. We had to soften the blow of the Cubs. Releasing that much insufferability all at once is dangerous.
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