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Nessus posted:They kept Budweiser, though? Really? Budweiser? It's Iowa. I can see them demanding Budweiser post-scarcity.
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They also used a Budweiser brewery as the set for Main Engineering or something, so I'm sure Anheuser-Busch was like "umm.... yeah we'll let you do this if you pay us lots of money and also make sure our brand survives and thrives into the 23rd century".
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man just imagine if uhura had smugly ordered a Stella Artois instead
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Something Taco Bell should have appeared in that bar somewhere since we know it was the only chain to survive the Franchise Wars.
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Jun 1, 2017 07:21
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Budweiser's monopoly on beer in the future is why Kirk reacts so strangely to trying some Michelob in San Francisco in 1987.
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Baronjutter posted:Ah the enterprise being built in a rural cornfield scene. Just moments previously there was modern product placement and a very clear sign earth was still capitalist as gently caress with telcom corporations and branding. In the span of about 3 min the movie told me everything I needed to know about it. All that spacecraft-critical limestone they needed from the Iowa mines.
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SomeMathGuy posted:It's Iowa. I can see them demanding Budweiser post-scarcity. Busch Light is the most popular beer in Iowa.
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Kingtheninja posted:https://clips.twitch.tv/FaithfulIncredulousPotTBCheesePull
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Brawnfire posted:"Earth bars" are just Applebee's
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I don't know how Troi's first move in command wasn't to be like "yeah I relinquish command to O'Brien or Ro."
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PostNouveau posted:I don't know how Troi's first move in command wasn't to be like "yeah I relinquish command to O'Brien or Ro." I think the deal there was that the warp core was on a countdown to kaboom, and they didn't know if there was anyone alive down in Engineering who could fix it, so Ro wanted to separate the saucer and get the hell away from it (and kill everyone in the stardrive section). Troi didn't want to make that sacrifice, but knew that it's the first thing Ro would do if given command, so Troi was stuck staying in charge.
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McSpanky posted:All that spacecraft-critical limestone they needed from the Iowa mines. It's what the consoles are filled with.
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Journey to Babel is my favourite TOS episode: Sarek's follow-up appearance in TNG is fantastic. It's also the episode with the brawl in Ten-Forward, and Patrick Stewart falling to pieces in a few chilling moments. [e] sunday at work posted:It's what the consoles are filled with. I never quite understood why the alternate Enterprise-D battleship from Yesterday's Enterprise spat out rocks when the tactical console exploded. Killing alternate-Riker through rocks-to-the-face. spincube fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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So I'm now about half a dozen episodes into season 3 of BOTH Enterprise and Voyager, having missed both during their original runs, aside from roughly the first season of each. Both have gotten noticeably better in their third season, but it could just be the small sample size talking. Janeway continues to be an idiot, but the characters are getting more interesting, particularly The Doctor. Still don't have any problem with Neelix, despite conventional wisdom. 7 of 9 hasn't shown up yet. I wish the writers would take better advantage of the fact they're cut off from Starfleet with dwindling resources. Still feels too much like TNG, especially since they stop to investigate every loving thing they stumble across. They need to be traveling nonstop at max warp towards 0, 0, 0. Why hasn't the crew mutinied by this point? My two favorite episodes have both featured Brad Dourif. Enterprise is getting better, but I don't think they knew how to write serialized drama very well. Make it episodic or don't, but commit to one or the other. They've been in the Expanse for a while now, but it doesn't seem that significant, and so the drama is tepid. Still no interesting characters except T'Pol and Phlox. Say what you will about Idiot Janeway, but she's no milquetoast Archer. I'm watching a couple of episodes of Voyager each week, and about five Enterprises. I watch enterprise every morning while working out, so I'm burning through them pretty quickly.
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I always thought Neelix was a great character when he was trying to cheer up the crew and failing hard. Any plots about his possessive relationship with Kes were loving grody, though.
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Lincoln posted:Still feels too much like TNG, especially since they stop to investigate every loving thing they stumble across. They need to be traveling nonstop at max warp towards 0, 0, 0. Why hasn't the crew mutinied by this point? This is actually addressed in an episode you're going to encounter soon. It's not satisfying but they at least knew it was something people were asking. The answer is family by the way, Janeway uses that word more than Dom Toretto as the show goes on. I was watching "The Voyager Conspiracy" from season 5 the other day and it does a pretty good job with the slow descent into increasingly convoluted theories, although they don't ever adequately explain where that tractor beam came from... That episode also features Neelix saying he'd been hanging around the Ocampa for a year because of Kes before Voyager showed up. She is less than a year old at this point.
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Holy poo poo, Levar Burton has incredibly gorgeous eyes. It's criminal to cover those peepers up (I'm watching interface).
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PostNouveau posted:I don't know how Troi's first move in command wasn't to be like "yeah I relinquish command to O'Brien or Ro." The proper thing to do in that situation is more to just rubber stamp them. Which she kinda did with O'Brien, but Ro was getting a bit ruthless.
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Kingtheninja posted:Holy poo poo, Levar Burton has incredibly gorgeous eyes. It's criminal to cover those peepers up (I'm watching interface). Also the Visor prop was super uncomfortable, just like everything else about the TNG costume design.
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Then they covered them up with ugly contacts in the TNG movies. I think you see Levar's actual eyes maybe two or three times in the entire franchise.
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They had to. Levar was too sexy compared to everyone else so they turned him into a turbo dweeb who never got laid.
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Single weirdest TNG b-plot is still probably the one where an alien cures Geordie's Asperger's.
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Best B-Plot: Keiko has a baby with Worf Reason: the callback in DS9
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MikeJF posted:The proper thing to do in that situation is more to just rubber stamp them. Which she kinda did with O'Brien, but Ro was getting a bit ruthless. But then later Troi takes the command test and the only way to pass is to do exactly what Ro told her to do: be willing to give the order to kill some of the crew to save the rest. So what the gently caress.
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Grand Fromage posted:Everybody knows Zima is the only brand to survive to the space future. 
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RIP low budget Space Bruce Willis You can actually go on Google Groups and scroll all the way back to 1986-87 on the Star Trek newsgroups. I wonder if they said the same things about TNG that people say about Discovery. (Yes.)
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Lincoln posted:They need to be traveling nonstop at max warp towards 0, 0, 0. Why hasn't the crew mutinied by this point? My two favorite episodes have both featured Brad Dourif.
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Lincoln posted:Janeway continues to be an idiot, but the characters are getting more interesting, particularly The Doctor. Still don't have any problem with Neelix, despite conventional wisdom. 7 of 9 hasn't shown up yet. I wish the writers would take better advantage of the fact they're cut off from Starfleet with dwindling resources. Still feels too much like TNG, especially since they stop to investigate every loving thing they stumble across. They need to be traveling nonstop at max warp towards 0, 0, 0. Why hasn't the crew mutinied by this point? My two favorite episodes have both featured Brad Dourif. I just suffered through a Voyager run recently and I think this was my favorite part of the series too. I feel like it actually follows a pretty similar quality to arc to TNG, but peaking earlier in seasons 3-4, never getting anywhere near the same highs, and then falling off way harder as the show goes on towards the end.
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I thought they covered that with a Janeway speech in the pilot: "We're going to be looking for things along the way to make us go faster. We like things that make us go" or something to that effect. In our universe that would be foolish because space is pretty drat big and empty, but in the Star Trek universe Kirk or Picard runs into some technology or alien or magic that takes them an impossible distance and back again almost every week. Given that track record, it would be insane not to poke everything you find, it's bound to be better than setting a straight course at Warp 9 for 70 years avoiding everything but pit stops so your kids can see the Earth you'll never set eyes on again. E: also Janeway ended up being 100% right: she cut their travel time by 90%. Or like 50% if you don't count Admiral Janeway cheating with time travel. Of course if time travel doesn't count then I guess she was wrong since the quantum slipstream drive killed everyone except Kim and...uh...Paris? E2: Actually double-wrong since Demon-Janeway's improved warp drive also killed everyone aboard Demon-Voyager. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Really that episode just shits all over Troi's character. If she was supposed to actually be ranking officer in a crisis like that, she should have had prior training and experience that would make her at least somewhat more qualified than what she saw. And if she's supposed to be a specialist who doesn't do that kind of stuff, that's fine too! ...it just means that in that scenario, Ensign Ro should be taking command. Which might well have made for an interesting story by itself, and hell maybe it was even written that way in a previous draft before one of the producers came down and said "nuhhh you can't do that, it's got to be one of the regular cast". Major Frank Burns is in charge of the camp when Blake's not around. He doesn't know what he's doing and just yells at everyone or sulks because nobody likes him. Radar, a private, really runs everything no matter who's in charge. Burns (and hell, Blake and Potter most of the time) just rubber stamps it all anyway. That's the impression I got from Disaster, Troi is in command by virtue of rank, noncom O'Brien helpfully suggests what she should be doing which she does while Ensign Ro, who wants to kill everyone, is overruled by Commander Troi.
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Grand Fromage posted:Everybody knows Zima is the only brand to survive to the space future. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only... Zima. So I just played Star Trek: Ascendancy. It's a board game from last year, and it's loving amazing. It's kind of like Civilization meets Trek: you can win by accumulating culture, or you can win by glassing your opponents' home planets. Each race has more than one strategy, although there is an obvious path of least resistance for each. There's also an element of exploring the board, not unlike Civ. I just played with the Klingons, Feds, and Romulans with a couple buddies yesterday, but apparently there's an expansion that includes the Cardassians and Ferengi. There's been some lovely Trek games recently, but I recommend this one (and Star Trek: Panic! as well). Also: ENT just keeps on beating up/capturing/crapping on Archer. this Vulcan plot I'm watching is like the sixth plot in a row where he's been beaten up and captured. Folks weren't exaggerating when they said he gets beaten up and captured all the time.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Major Frank Burns is in charge of the camp when Blake's not around. He doesn't know what he's doing and just yells at everyone or sulks because nobody likes him. Radar, a private, really runs everything no matter who's in charge. Burns (and hell, Blake and Potter most of the time) just rubber stamps it all anyway. Radar was a corporal  But nice analogy
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The bigger problem with Troi's dilemma is that there shouldn't be one in the first place. You can't tell me she had no way of sensing whether anyone was having feelings in engineering. Good episode though.
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Tsaedje posted:The bigger problem with Troi's dilemma is that there shouldn't be one in the first place. You can't tell me she had no way of sensing whether anyone was having feelings in engineering. Good episode though. Unfortunately the damage caused the port nacelle to leak some contriviton radiation, rendering her powers useless!
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They addressed that, someone asked her if she could sense anyone in engineering and she said she could sense a lot of frightened people but her abilities don't give her any location information. I think that's actually consistent, I don't believe she's ever been able to use her powers to locate people before. I guess Nemesis but that was a unique situation because that Reman was loving with her telepathically so I think she was reading his mind or using his powers against him or something.
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Then how does she know who is feeling what? How does she know the ambassador on screen is feeling disingenuous when it really could be ensign diplord in the break room acting like he doesn't know who took lieutenant Smith's sandwich.
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The Bloop posted:rendering her powers useless! Other things that do this: Emotional distress Lack of chocolate Excess chocolate Oxygen Unconsciousness Consciousness Troi being a Romulan Troi being Troi I'm pretty sure if we sat down and thought about it, the number of times her powers were helpful could be counted on one hand.
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