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Feel free to make an actual argument instead of a stupid, pointless snarky emoticon reply friendo
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me more about China's great environmental record. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/03/china-ratifies-paris-climate-change-agreement https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/31/china-eu-climate-lead-paris-agreement
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me more about China's great environmental record. Well, they're now a key player in the push to reduce emissions along with India and the EU and we've essentially given them that leadership. They aren't opening any new power plants and are making huge investments in solar and wind but I'm sure because you personally don't trust their government records none of that counts.
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It's not enough to say that a vast confusing nonsensical conspiracy is being undertaken by china to pretend they're abiding by the paris climate agreement, but not abide by it, you're so much of a little bitch that you can't even come right out and say it, instead implying it via a single emote reply that you can then pretend didn't mean what you meant by it after you get called a moron.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:00
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Jaxyon posted:They are actually way ahead of their timeline on thier commitment, they were making us look like punks before trump China literally fabricates its carbon emissions statistics. Like they will physically pump clean air into the vicinity of the detection equipment to mask their rating. It's really great that a thread that is rightfully critical of the Russians is inexplicably naive regarding the Chinese because the Chinese have said the right words.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:01
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Germany came back from WWII to be a major power again, we can come back from Trump.Sloober posted:I stopped a robber by taking my body armor off and bashing his head in,then i took his gun and shot him 17 times Just cover your body armor with mirrors and he would've killed himself. Edit: Fojar38 posted:China literally fabricates its carbon emissions statistics. Like they will physically pump clean air into the vicinity of the detection equipment to mask their rating.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:01
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empty whippet box posted:It's not enough to say that a vast confusing nonsensical conspiracy is being undertaken by china to pretend they're abiding by the paris climate agreement, but not abide by it, you're so much of a little bitch that you can't even come right out and say it, instead implying it via a single emote reply that you can then pretend didn't mean what you meant by it after you get called a moron. Lol you called it.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:02
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Fojar38 posted:China literally fabricates its carbon emissions statistics. Like they will physically pump clean air into the vicinity of the detection equipment to mask their rating. You just think you sound smart and cool by making up stories about vast conspiracies as a way to never be wrong because you can always just fall back on "no I'm not wrong there's a vast conspiracy to cover up the facts that make me right."
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Jun 1, 2017 20:02
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Fiction posted:you are an incredibly bad and stupid poster with no insight and way too much smugness for somebody who evidently has done little to no research on anything you talk about No, he's actually right. Pulling out of the Paris agreement is bad, and diminishes the US' credibility, but its kind of silly to suggest that Dubya didn't already wreck it pretty spectacularly.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:02
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Timby posted:Acosta's also reporting that Trump is putting some "fine print" in the announcement to placate Ivanka, who's been begging him to stay in the agreement. At times like this it feels important to remind everyone that Ivanka doesn't give a single poo poo about climate change or any other liberal policy. She's simply savvy enough to recognize that this decision is bad politics and business so she begged Daddy to include some kind of meaningless "we'll figure it out on our own" thing so she can run around assuring concerned parties that they really are MORE committed to combatting climate change now than ever.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:04
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Priebus is wearing a green tie for this special "gently caress nature" announcement. Very considerate trolling.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:05
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me more about China's great environmental record. Best avatar/text/post combo ever, imo.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:06
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empty whippet box posted:You just think you sound smart and cool by making up stories about vast conspiracies as a way to never be wrong because you can always just fall back on "no I'm not wrong there's a vast conspiracy to cover up the facts that make me right." http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n9/full/nclimate1560.html http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-environment-idUSKBN0U01SF20151217 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/china-underreporting-coal-consumption-by-up-to-17-data-suggests You are a giant loving idiot.
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STAC Goat posted:At times like this it feels important to remind everyone that Ivanka doesn't give a single poo poo about climate change or any other liberal policy. She's simply savvy enough to recognize that this decision is bad politics and business so she begged Daddy to include some kind of meaningless "we'll figure it out on our own" thing so she can run around assuring concerned parties that they really are MORE committed to combatting climate change now than ever. Wasn't there also an announcement that businesses are mostly continuing to cut back on coal because it's worthless now anyway?
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Jun 1, 2017 20:06
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PerniciousKnid posted:Germany came back from WWII to be a major power again, we can come back from Trump. Heck, Germany also came back from WW1 to become a major power again. Maybe we can do it that way too
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empty whippet box posted:You just think you sound smart and cool by making up stories about vast conspiracies as a way to never be wrong because you can always just fall back on "no I'm not wrong there's a vast conspiracy to cover up the facts that make me right." China absolutely falsifies emissions data.
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Paracaidas posted:Post your map gently caress you, this is a bigger hurdle than that and you know it. There's a bit of a difference between "won the majority of the state's popular vote in one presidential election" and "total control of the state apparatus", and there's a bit of a difference between "more than 50% of electoral votes" and "75% of states". But since you ask, the GOP has 27 states sufficiently in the bag that they could hypothetically ratify an amendment if the GOP voted in lockstep. They still need 11. If we assume they flip the governor in every state they control the legislature, which is the less insane of the propositions, they're still down by 6, which is closer than I'd like but approaching the insurmountable even in the Age of Trump and the Dominion of Sessions. So, here's your loving maps.   So in addition to another gubernatorial sweep, their path to victory probably involves total dominance over all of: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Maine, and gently caress it, let's throw in New Jersey. That's five, which is why I said "effectively impossible" and not "literally impossible". Maybe they also flip Illinois. edit: I'm also not sure whether it's literally possible in 2018 or even 2020, but I've done enough factual rebutting of idiotic "nothing will ever matter again" one-liners for the moment that I'm not going to bother digging through 18 state legislative elections per cycle Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 20:07
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Fojar38 posted:Wait, what? The Paris Climate Agreement is an integral piece of the basic postwar order? hey moron this is the post you were responding to evilweasel posted:This isn't just moral leadership. This is "can the word of the United States be trusted beyond the term of the current President" and while there's always been some things that change, Trump is making it clear that the answer is no. Not even NATO, and the Republican Party is so filled with craven lickspittles they won't rein him in.
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OctaMurk posted:Heck, Germany also came back from WW1 to become a major power again. Maybe we can do it that way too We don't have that kind of time.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:07
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evilweasel posted:hey moron So is this about the lack of the explicit article 5 endorsement? Because that seems more like trump being a senile moron who forgets things rather than signaling a fundamental shift in US policy.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:08
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Majorian posted:No, he's actually right. Pulling out of the Paris agreement is bad, and diminishes the US' credibility, but its kind of silly to suggest that Dubya didn't already wreck it pretty spectacularly. he is most definitely not right
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Jun 1, 2017 20:08
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eyebeem posted:Trump is America's 9/11 Chilichimp posted:I think 9/11 was Americas 9/11. 9/11 was the Citizen Kane of 9/11s. Trump is the Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 of 9/11
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Jun 1, 2017 20:09
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Fojar38 posted:So is this about the lack of the explicit article 5 endorsement? Because that seems more like trump being a senile moron who forgets things rather than signaling a fundamental shift in US policy. it is about all of it, idiot
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Jun 1, 2017 20:10
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It is an important distinction that the falsification happens at the local level and that the central government is trying to stop it. (Or so they say....) quote:No official data on the extent of the problem has been released since a government audit in 2013 found hundreds of power firms had falsified emissions data, although authorities have continued to name and shame individual operators. Also Fojar's conspiracy doesn't even make sense. There isn't an air-sensor to blow fresh air into anyway.
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evilweasel posted:it is about all of it, idiot So no, you can't explicitly name the massive breach in traditional American foreign policy that has occurred?
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Jun 1, 2017 20:10
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Jun 1, 2017 20:12
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Fojar38 posted:So no, you can't explicitly name the massive breach in traditional American foreign policy that has occurred? Jesus, why are you posting? How does someone type the above sentence out and think "this pedantry is absolutely necessary, I'm not at all insane".
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Jun 1, 2017 20:12
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me more about China's great environmental record. Who do you hate more forjar, Chinese people or trump
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Jun 1, 2017 20:12
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Jun 1, 2017 20:13
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evilweasel posted:he is most definitely not right I'm kind of bewildered at how irrecoverable you think the fallout of this bad decision will be. How does this mortally wound the US in a way that the Dubya admin's decisions didn't?
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Jun 1, 2017 20:13
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Chilichimp posted:Best avatar/text/post combo ever, imo. i lurked here a long time before i ever posted and this is like the third generation of his av being an arrow that says "anything to the right is dumb"
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Trabisnikof posted:It is an important distinction that the falsification happens at the local level and that the central government is trying to stop it. (Or so they say....) "Surely the strong government of Xi Dada will fix everything and they absolutely aren't picking fall guys like dictators have for centuries!" quote:Also Fojar's conspiracy doesn't even make sense. There isn't an air-sensor to blow fresh air into anyway. https://www.ecowatch.com/china-air-pollution-2064720735.html It's true, I misremembered the story, they were actually stuffing cotton gauze into the equipment so it wouldn't pick up the massive amounts of pollution.
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Majorian posted:I'm kind of bewildered at how irrecoverable you think the fallout of this bad decision will be. How does this mortally wound the US in a way that the Dubya admin's decisions didn't? Dubya never really questioned our attachment to NATO.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:13
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Subtle.
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol so do you make this same argument every single time a tarrif is put in place against an unfair trade practice? Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This: So are you going to answer this or
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Jun 1, 2017 20:14
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Oh, so we can undo that mistake, at least.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:14
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Everyone please stop replying to fojar. He's quite possibly the dumbest poster here, and this forum includes both mcmagic and pissflaps.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:14
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Fojar38 posted:So no, you can't explicitly name the massive breach in traditional American foreign policy that has occurred? i already did, idiot, and you went "oh perhaps my idiot president was just senile at that moment" despite that he was reading a pre-prepared speech, idiot you seem to think your rolling around in your own poo poo requires other people to explain to you why thats stupid instead of mocking you as a poo poo-covered idiot
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Night10194 posted:Dubya never really questioned our attachment to NATO. Sure, but I'm talking about the Paris agreement.
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