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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Gonzo McFee posted:Not appearing in public is probably May's best option. The narrative is already that she's too scared to do interviews, the more times she doesn't turn up the worse it'll get. Even if she just produces mindless soundbites (see that interview with the Plymouth Herald) the media can still talk about Strong And Stable No Deal Better Than A Bad Deal and go back to the Corbyn smear stories. They can't spin her simply not making appearances anything like as easily.
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Thanks Ants posted:Would the Tories really intentionally manoeuvre themselves away from a position of power just because they know Brexit is going to be a disaster? They seem like the 'power above all else' types. It's most likely just sheer panic at this point since May & co clearly expected to coast to a landslide victory, and now they have no clue what to do.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:01
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Sapozhnik posted:...What? What an absurd question, she is thinking about Brexit really hard and maybe so should you.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:01
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Sapozhnik posted:...What? The  community have suddenly latched onto this thought too, and now claiming she called the election because she wasn't likely to see 2020. Others claim that she's got serotonin syndrome which is probably just as far a reach. Personally I think that someone has finally realised that seeing her in interviews that are even slightly hostile gives the lie to the idea of her being strong, stable, or indeed capable of dealing with anything that isn't laid on a plate for her.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:02
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Julio Cruz posted:The narrative is already that she's too scared to do interviews, the more times she doesn't turn up the worse it'll get. Even if she just produces mindless soundbites (see that interview with the Plymouth Herald) the media can still talk about Strong And Stable No Deal Better Than A Bad Deal and go back to the Corbyn smear stories. They can't spin her simply not making appearances anything like as easily. You clearly underestimate how hard she's thinking about brexit. On June 9th she will emerge from her chrysalis a transcendent being, the embodiment of brexit, and all of britain will be liberated from this unelected reality.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:03
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Thanks Ants posted:Would the Tories really intentionally manoeuvre themselves away from a position of power just because they know Brexit is going to be a disaster? They seem like the 'power above all else' types. This is my current conspiracy theory.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:04
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Is there any truth to the claim that Labour, in their own less belligerent way (than the Tories), are as delusional about the prospect of a Brexit deal that offers access to the Single Market without major concessions to free movement (To the point where it would be little different to remaining a member of the EU) as the likes of May, Davis and Fox? I believe that it is the case that Labour spokespeople have said repeatedly that they expect to be able to deliver such a deal, in direct contravention of the principle of 'the four freedoms' that facilitate the Single Market and EU project. Does anyone believe that Labour will persist with this line if they win the Election, or is it an electoral smokescreen- please someone tell me that it is an electoral smoke screen! I just want someone to say that its all going to be alright- that if Labour wins, we wont leave the EU. I know that I keep asking questions of this sort, but the notion of losing my rights as an EU citizen makes my skin crawl in a way that nothing else has in my life. It is probably rather melodramatic and hyperbolic to say, but I regard the referendum result as an assault on my person. Additionally, I want Labour to win and be able to implement the lion's share of their manifesto pledges- not to most of those pledges binned by economic necessity when Brexit takes the economy out and hangs it by the neck until dead. I am convinced that the UK cannot pay its way in the world outside of the Single Market, after a century of poor management, chronic underinvestment, dogshit economic productivity, gaping trade deficit, dependency on the service sector and wholesale privatisation of the commons- the Single Market has insulated us from the consequences these fatal national defects- a deal that does not recognise that the EU 27 are serious about ensuring the integrity of the four freedoms will see us out of the Single Market in perpetuity, which will result in the UK unplugging itself from its financial life support and suffering the national equivalent of toxic shock. If Corbyn does not realise this, then it is imperative that the membership of the Labour party start hollering the truth for all they are worth.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:04
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The only difference it makes to me is that I need to wake up to piss even more and so I feel even more poo poo the next morning. I can only assume it's because you've yet to realise the like and soda you drink doesn't have any alcohol in it. When I dunno a litre of fluid into someone with a hangover in hospital they feel loving amazing
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Jun 1, 2017 22:05
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Thanks Ants posted:Would the Tories really intentionally manoeuvre themselves away from a position of power just because they know Brexit is going to be a disaster? They seem like the 'power above all else' types. If this is the plan it's failing because as things stand they're going to be back in government with a larger majority.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:05
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big scary monsters posted:Someone earlier in the thread suggested that May had forgotten she'd called an election, I'm starting to think she's forgotten she's Prime Minister. I wish I could forget she's Prime Minister.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:06
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Thanks Ants posted:Would the Tories really intentionally manoeuvre themselves away from a position of power just because they know Brexit is going to be a disaster? They seem like the 'power above all else' types. Depends if they're the "delayed gratification" type. A brexit disaster (aka brexit) could guarantee them a lot of power in the future. A weak Corbyn government likely will not get a lot done and will be sabotaged at every turn. On the other hand, May will be discredited even if Tories come out well in the long run - so it surely can't be her plan. Why would she sacrifice herself for the good of others? Tories don't do that sort of thing. I rather like the idea (proposed by someone earlier in the thread) that they want to be the largest party, but want to do badly enough that they have to take the LibDems into coalition, forcing them to make the concession of abandoning brexit (oh nooooo not brexit, we really really wanted to do the brexit, oh well never mind eh, you win some you lose some  ) yet still retaining power. But as much as I like it, it's conspiratorial garbage
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Jun 1, 2017 22:06
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:It is absolutely a contributing factor, next time you have a skinful have a pint of water before you go to bed. It makes a massive difference* And don't wake up having pissed the bed.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:07
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Lord_Adonis posted:I just want someone to say that its all going to be alright- that if Labour wins, we wont leave the EU. Anybody who tells you this is fibbing. I've seen various opinions today in this thread from people claiming that Labour in power could undertake some sleight of hand in order to remain in the EU. They're wrong. Labour is committed to leaving the EU. It's in the manifesto. Labour is a part of Brexit. On the other hand, i think you've overstating the results of leaving the EU and Single Market.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:08
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Pissflaps posted:If this is the plan it's failing because as things stand they're going to be back in government with a larger majority. Not if she resigns at the last minute.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:08
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https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/870383818942935040 YouGov need to stop phoning the landline telephone numbers of all those fake Twitter accounts.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:09
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Theresa May is locked in a Cerebro-style chamber built to amplify her brexit negotiation powers, thus has no time for interviews.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:10
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Steve2911 posted:Not if she resigns at the last minute. I'm not sure how likely that is.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:10
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I do genuinely wonder what happens if there's a general election on and the leader of one of the main parties bites it shortly before the polls. People have already submitted postal votes and everything, is there a do-over? Yes yes technically you are voting for MPs, not a Prime Minister, and the new Parliament can elect whoever the gently caress they want as the PM, but you know how it is with British constitutional issues where everything is a bloody tradition and nothing is actually written down anywhere.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:10
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Pissflaps posted:Anybody who tells you this is fibbing. I've seen various opinions today in this thread from people claiming that Labour in power could undertake some sleight of hand in order to remain in the EU. They're wrong. I don't often do this but I agree with pissflaps. Labour is going to do brexit as well.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:10
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Cameron led the donkey up the minaret, not many options for either party to get it down even if you don't mind making a mess.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:12
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Sapozhnik posted:I do genuinely wonder what happens if there's a general election on and the leader of one of the main parties bites it shortly before the polls. People have already submitted postal votes and everything, is there a do-over? you are voting for MPs, not a Prime Minister, and the new Parliament can elect whoever the gently caress they want as the PM
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Jun 1, 2017 22:12
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Likeliest explanation imo is that she had some sort of massive nervous breakdown after exactly one televised interview and had to go lie down for a while, in which case lol jfc how is this woman the leader of a first-world nation and the favourite to continue to act as such.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:12
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/870383818942935040 I've been really shocked by the relatively tame front pages we've seen for the last few days. I was sure we'd be seeing full-throated personal attacks on Corbyn from drat near every mainstream newspaper, but instead it's just... this. It's almost like they've been told the personal attacks aren't working and now they're just directionless. In other news, anyone watching Barry Gardiner vs. David Davis on Question Time tonight? Should be a good one, Davis is one of the best presented Tories at the moment but Gardiner has been absolutely crushing it recently.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:12
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Seems like an odd thing for Jones to post that on Twitter first instead of following it up & doing a proper story with it. Or am I just entirely unversed in the ways of journos.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:14
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El Grillo posted:Seems like an odd thing for Jones to post that on Twitter first instead of following it up & doing a proper story with it. Or am I just entirely unversed in the ways of journos. He's not really a journalist is he? More a commentator.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:15
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Of course Brexit's going to happen. The Leave vote won and the remain vote doesn't have enough fanatical members involved to pose any serious threat.The Lib Dems tried to build a campaign around it and are polling in the single figures. Best we can really hope for is a Norway style deal where we do everything they say and they don't gently caress our economy.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:15
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Pissflaps posted:He's not really a journalist is he? More a commentator. Yea. He's made it very clear every time someone asks that he's a "political commentator" and not an "objective journalist".
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Jun 1, 2017 22:17
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Here's a somewhat more sober projection of the election result https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870384517202182146
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Jun 1, 2017 22:18
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lol 11 lib dem seats
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Jun 1, 2017 22:21
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I haven't had a single person knock on my door and beg for my vote so far. Disappointed.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:22
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Theresa May was just a mass hallucination.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:23
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Pissflaps posted:I haven't had a single person knock on my door and beg for my vote so far. Disappointed. I've only had Labour this time out, and only the Lib Dems last time. A lot of leaflets though
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Jun 1, 2017 22:23
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Gonzo McFee posted:lol 11 lib dem seats Lib Dem.... fightback???
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Jun 1, 2017 22:25
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Just a few leaflets. Considering this is a genuinely tight seat it's a poor showing from both main parties.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:25
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https://twitter.com/futurecanon/status/870389793267515392 Absolute coward.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:25
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Pissflaps posted:I haven't had a single person knock on my door and beg for my vote so far. Disappointed. Post your address, we'll send namtab round. You can seduce each other
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Jun 1, 2017 22:25
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Pissflaps vote labour ya bastard. I live near enough that that should count.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:26
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OwlFancier posted:Pissflaps vote labour ya bastard. I posted weeks ago that I was voting Labour.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:27
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I know, I'm just fulfilling your fantasies of having a labour party member ask you to vote from a reasonable proximity.
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OwlFancier posted:You clearly underestimate how hard she's thinking about brexit. The people need to be told, straight down the line, that Brexit is impossible- that a century of venal behaviour from our Business/Financial class and Politicians of all parties ensuring a consistent malaise of underinvestment in plant, infrastructure, productivity and R&D, a poor standard of technical education, the totally unnecessary 'managed decline' of industry and industrial communities, sick reliance on service industries and a yawing trade deficit have made it impossible for the UK to pay its way in the world outside of the Single Market, that outside of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, the UK has been THE MAIN BENEFICIARY of the Single Market and EU. The people need to be made aware of the entirely negative consequences for their standard of living that will inevitably ensue from Brexit- that we could see three million or more lose their homes, millions more become dependent on food banks and public services fall into the void left by plummeting tax receipts as businesses and inward investment flee to the continent. The people need to be told that in a generation, it will be their children who are the economic migrants- the fruit pickers on Farms in France, Italy and Spain, the cheap tradesmen on building sites in Germany and the Carers in Vienna, Bratislava and Stockholm- 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet' was but a glimpse of the future. The people must be saved from themselves. Had Bertold Brecht said ''Would it not be easier In that case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?'' of the UK post Brexit referendum, he would have been absolutely correct! If a proportion of the 52% who voted out act hysterically and violently in response to this truth, are there not Policemen with batons and Soldiers with Rubber-Bullet magazines ready to be employed for such a contingency? If they can be set upon Black people protesting against police brutality in Brixton, Lambeth, Tottenham and Toxteth, then surely they can also defend the national interest in the White streets of Thanet, Tilbury, Boston, Tunbridge Wells, Keighley, St Ives and Scunthorpe? If sense does not return to the House of Commons, then I can see no alternative but for the Armed Forces to step in and allow for a government of national unity to be formed, which can put an end to this Brexit madness.
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