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Pennsylvania: At the forefront of race-based voter suppression but we're mainly talking about a job that has a lot of cultural meaning as a dog-whistle for poor whites. This is a shocking turn of events and definitely what we should focus on above all.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:56
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Jaxyon posted:Pennsylvania: At the forefront of race-based voter suppression but we're mainly talking about a job that has a lot of cultural meaning as a dog-whistle for poor whites. How about...the Dems focus on both? And again, it's not just the coal jobs that's the problem. It's auto workers, appliance manufacturers, and other Rust Belt jobs that are gone and have not been replaced.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:57
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"Donald Trump posted:I've known Paris Hilton from the time she's 12... Her parents are friends of mine and the first time I saw her she walked into a room and I said, "Who the hell is that?"
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Jun 1, 2017 22:58
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Majorian posted:No, I think coal workers were part of the problem, as were other laid-off/underemployed industrial workers. The point is, the Dems need to promise a jobs program if they want to win in those Blue Wall states again. Your gut feeling is wrong, which we know because of the studies done on the election, and which has been explained to you multiple times, so maybe can we not loving discuss the election again with somebody who absolutely refuses to listen, thanks everyone
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Jun 1, 2017 22:58
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EwokEntourage posted:Melania already sued a blogger for defamation this year the blogger was published by a major tabloid newspaper. when the daily mail starts publishing stories based on this woman's twitter feed, we can talk
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Jun 1, 2017 22:58
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QuoProQuid posted:i'm glad we're now measuring human worth by the size of a person's voting bloc. next time someone complains to me about the decline of their community and their livelihood, im just going to answer "well, yeah, but mining and manufacturing is an increasingly small part of the american economy and..." This is the part where you try and frame my disagreement as if I dont Care About Real America as we just focus on poor whites despite the part where I was talking about how much the few coal workers left have been hosed. If you want to find a post where I said I don't give a poo poo about declining quality of life go ahead but you won't because you are trying to have the argument you want me to be making instead of the one I am
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Jun 1, 2017 22:58
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Majorian posted:How about...the Dems focus on both? That's literally the point I am making but we can't seem to stop talking about The Poor Whites in this thread.
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Jun 1, 2017 22:59
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Don't equate bowling and coal, bowling is actually fun + good, neither of which can be said of Black Lung: The Career.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:00
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Make Our Planet Great Again https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMKgoodLyqKL
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Jun 1, 2017 23:00
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Majorian posted:And again, it's not just the coal jobs that's the problem. It's auto workers, appliance manufacturers, and other Rust Belt jobs that are gone and have not been replaced. All of which Dems talked about but they didn't couch it in xenophobic rhetoric and that's the key difference. The point of mentioning coal is it's a Good White Job.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:00
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870394672274952196 Couldn't Congress smother this in its crib if they wanted? No interstate compacts without consent of Congress and all.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:00
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botany posted:Your gut feeling is wrong, It's not a gut feeling; Thomas Frank has been studying and reporting on this for decades now. And I didn't get us on this subtopic, so don't whine at me.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:01
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Majorian posted:No, I think coal workers were part of the problem, as were other laid-off/underemployed industrial workers. The point is, the Dems need to promise a jobs program if they want to win in those Blue Wall states again. They did. Clinton mentioned jobs in every stump speech and it was the first thing she mentioned in the first debate.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:01
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BarbarianElephant posted:Use the accurate words when writing your academic paper. Explain things longform when talking to Uncle Notsobright at Thanksgiving. Fojar38 posted:Seems to me like preserving the intangible and abstract value of the work that has been poured into the field is less important than winning elections and getting policies in line with them implemented. It's triangulating bullshit. Clinton's husband did it 25 years ago and it was enough to invalidate the 2016 platform from the left-but I guess that was only a problem because it was economic and not social? "Listen, we care about your concerns-but if we don't discuss them, we can get more voters to join our coalition. We promise that we'll take care of you once that happens" are the last words you hear before you're sold out, ever since the days of Dorr. *To the extent that male equality is a question from a gender lens, it's entirely internecine. Egalitarianism vs Feminism has minimal impact on those concerns. Fojar38 posted:It's really weird that people seem to think that I am even a little bit of a Trump supporter just because I'm not melting down at every tweet. Are we measuring political positions by how visibly upset someone gets at particular things? For instance: Majorian posted:How about...the Dems focus on both? Majorian posted:That's a lazy cop-out of an answer that does nothing to put Pennsylvania back in the Dem column.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:02
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Jaxyon posted:All of which Dems talked about but they didn't couch it in xenophobic rhetoric and that's the key difference. Starts out as white but boy howdy doesn't end that way.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:02
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fsif posted:They did. Clinton mentioned jobs in every stump speech and it was the first thing she mentioned in the first debate. Yep. I can even dig up a study I think, regarding manufacturing job mentions of her vs Trump, with her leading
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Jun 1, 2017 23:03
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Crows Turn Off posted:Reminder that that only Paris that Trump wouldn't pull out of is Paris Hilton. 
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Pakled posted:Couldn't Congress smother this in its crib if they wanted? No interstate compacts without consent of Congress and all. iirc, congressional approval is only needed if the agreement would increase the power of the states at the expense of the federal government
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Jun 1, 2017 23:04
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fsif posted:They did. Clinton mentioned jobs in every stump speech and it was the first thing she mentioned in the first debate. Jaxyon posted:Yep. I can even dig up a study I think, regarding manufacturing job mentions of her vs Trump, with her leading I'll answer these in the Dems thread so we can end this derail here.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:06
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QuoProQuid posted:iirc, congressional approval is only needed if the agreement would increase the power of the states at the expense of the federal government Ah, thanks.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:06
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870394672274952196 loving amazing
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fsif posted:They did. Clinton mentioned jobs in every stump speech and it was the first thing she mentioned in the first debate. Majoran had this exact same discussion in the last thread with the same points brought up, people like that are not going to listen/learn.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:08
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stillvisions posted:If he stays President, I can bet there will be three years private communications with EU and others promising he'll rejoin the Paris agreement in exchange for some trade concession or something else equally petty/showy he can use to prove he's a super-negotiator. It won't work (please please please let me be right) but I'm sure he's seeing this as "creating leverage". They have already told him to get hosed in the most polite terms. His lack of social skills or self-awareness means he doesn't get the message. When he does feel some heat he turns into a orb and hides. You don't need sanctions to get the US back on track, you need everyone to tell Trump to go gently caress himself at every turn. Grind him into paste. No bank in America will do bushiness with him because of his "Art of the deal". Hence he does his banking in Russia.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:10
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Wark Say posted:Not cool! I'm about to clock out from work and the last thing I need is that loving image in my head! Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 23:13
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870394672274952196 Not one of the factions I expected for ACW2 but I'm intrigued by its unit list.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:13
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moostaffa posted:Make Our Planet Great Again that kinda broke my brain for a variety of reasons
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Jun 1, 2017 23:14
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870394672274952196 This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life leading to secession. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 23:16
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I mean, it shortens down to "The Alliance" pretty readily.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:17
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socialsecurity posted:Majoran had this exact same discussion in the last thread with the same points brought up, people like that are not going to listen/learn. Tell me what I'm missing here. I genuinely want to know. Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870394672274952196 Yeah, I'm excited to see if this can put a positive spin on massive government spending on green technology.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:18
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that CWII doesn't start with a bunch of states voluntarily upholding regulations that have been abandoned on a federal level. I know DND likes to be dramatic but come the gently caress on.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:18
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life. Hopefully the next incarnation of Sherman gets to finish the job then.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:19
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life. Blue states have the victory in the bag. Just make opioids available over the counter, and the red states will kill themselves.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life leading to secession. i feel like you don't know what you are talking about TyrantWD posted:Blue states have the victory in the bag. Just make opioids available over the counter, and the red states will kill themselves. that's a p lovely joke, man
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Jun 1, 2017 23:19
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botany posted:I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that CWII doesn't start with a bunch of states voluntarily upholding regulations that have been abandoned on a federal level. I know DND likes to be dramatic but come the gently caress on. States already do this with various regulations from the EPA.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:21
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life leading to secession. What if Washington/California/Oregon/New York united for a single-payer health plan and used Canada as a go-between to import drugs cheaply, bypassing the FDA
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Jun 1, 2017 23:21
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TyrantWD posted:Blue states have the victory in the bag. Just make opioids available over the counter, and the red states will kill themselves. It's a nice thought, but the "Demographics are destiny" philosophy only takes us so far. Turns out poor uneducated whites die out more slowly than we anticipated.
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botany posted:I know DND likes to be dramatic but come the gently caress on.  You're going to give it away.
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Jun 1, 2017 23:21
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:This feels like the lead up to another Civil War. The South grasping desperately onto another destructive yet patently antiquated institution and way of life leading to secession. That's being more than a bit histrionic.
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Robot Hobo posted:As absolutely awful of a mental image that is, I think hearing it would be even worse than seeing it. 
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