UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

I think if we wanted a military dictatorship, we'd probably need a fully staffed and funded military

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:57

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jabby: Oct 27, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

The only boring torpedo is a liquorice one.

Oh really?

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:58

No Dignity: Oct 15, 2007

Lord_Adonis posted:

It would be a better outcome than the UK re-enacting what occurred in Russia from 1991 onwards, both in a financial sense (Run on the pound, hyperinflation, drop in national credit rating and trade deficit oblivion resulting in the Treasury and Bank of England going bankrupt, resulting in all national and public sector assets being privatised, sold off and stripped of anything of value) and political sense (A union dissolved- Scotland first, followed shortly after by Northern Ireland, then Wales some years later, with Cornwall gone in the longer term). I cannot understand why so many people hold so much misplaced confidence in the ability of our national economy, which has been dysfunctional for a whole century now, to successfully operate outside of the Single Market without a fatal loss of jobs and inward investment.

The intervention of the armed forces would only be necessary in the event that the Far-Right Brexit zealots in parliament seek to override and suppress sane remain voices in Parliament, and as such refuse to step down in favour of a Remain Government of National Unity. They need only be deployed on the streets if the Brexit-UKIP-EDL mouth-breathing wreckers commit violent acts in defiance of the national interest.

Populism kills. It killed two people in Portland, Oregon a few days ago. Populism sets neighbour against neighbour, colleague against colleague and Brother against Brother. It destroys economies and renders working people destitute. When a population are ensnared by its false promises, they must be shown the truth.

I am no fan of Oliver Cromwell- indeed, Brexit must be halted to preserve peace in Ireland, North and South.

I am not advocating for a Military Dictatorship- the only role for the Military in the extreme case would be to create political space for the formation of a Government of National Unity that can go to Brussels, Cap in Hand, with a contrite attitude to negotiate an end to Brexit, and our resumption of EU membership in good standing.

Crikey

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:58

Lord_Adonis: Mar 2, 2015; by Smythe

Pochoclo posted:

Guys, trust me on this - you don't want a military dictatorship. Trust me, we had SIX of those, and they're bad, okay.

But were those military interventions into politics conceived of to protect Liberal Democracy from far-right sabotage, and implemented in a strictly time-limited context?

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:58

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Lord_Adonis posted:

But were those military interventions into politics conceived of to protect Liberal Democracy from far-right sabotage, and implemented in a strictly time-limited context?

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:59

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Lord_Adonis posted:

But were those military interventions into politics conceived of to protect Liberal Democracy from far-right sabotage, and implemented in a strictly time-limited context?

Ask el-Sisi.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:59

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

TheRat posted:

You may or may not find this torpedo boring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysUjYAi0WcQ

I have no idea what I'm watching but I like it better than the original.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:59

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Honest answer:

Corbyn has far exceeded my expectations of how he would perform in an election, and has run easily the better campaign. He's a much improved politician compared to, say, six months ago. While I have big misgivings over his defence and foreign policy positions, I see enough good in his domestic policies that I want to see him as Prime Minister.

Having said that, I think we're currently in a very febrile stage of the election. All these cheering crowds we see on twitter videos and rallies and surges in the polls. It's going to mean nothing on the calm of the election day itself. There's not a doubt in my mind that the Tories will be returned with an extremely comfortable majority.

And this is a Tory leadership that has shown itself to be utterly incapable of running an election campaign. It's getting laughed at during debates, mocked on social media, the press has turned on it. It's utterly beatable. Labour should win this election. But it won't - and that's because the guy at the top carries too much baggage. He isn't a prime minister and all the people you don't see tweeting and cheering and laughing simply won't vote for him.

A while back I called him the Boaty McBoatface of politics and I think that holds true now more than ever. Right now it's very exciting and anything seems possible, but we're going to wake up on Friday 9th with a big Blue hangover.

Stay hydrated.

edit: i didnt actually answer the question. If Corbyn fails to deliver a Labour government he should resign.

While I understand your points and agree with some of what you said (especially the first and third paragraph), I feel you are underestimating the context and the sheer extent of the damage all the PLP skullduggery did. Yes, Corbyn carried baggage into this election, and that's what's gonna cost Labour, but it is my thesis that he's not the one to blame for most of those previous missteps. Furthermore, he's quickly proven himself to be able to rise out of adversity, in force. This is exactly what a leftist party in a country overran by Murdoch rags needs. I think the Labour backbenchers can see this too, and might be prepared to try working with him in the future. This in turn might lead to something much needed these days: an honest to god party drifting to the left. I've read their manifesto, and if this is what united Labour under Corbyn aims to achieve, it's well worth letting him continue after a lost snap election.

I guess my point is: winning every fight is not the only way to make a difference. If this was milquetoast same old same old blairism losing yet again, yeah, the guy at the helm should resign. But I think this is someone with principles making his party better, and he's now proven how effective a campaign he can run in the future.

Thanks for answering.

dex_sda fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 1, 2017

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:01

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I have no idea what I'm watching but I like it better than the original.

In that case you may enjoy this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9evhR-iJSE

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:02

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

TheRat posted:

In that case you may enjoy this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9evhR-iJSE

Already watching it. It is reinforcing my belief that Norway is an ideal society.

E: help I'm stuck in weird Norwegian land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCdDIgoOwQ

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jun 1, 2017

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:03

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

dex_sda posted:

While I understand your points and agree with some of what you said (especially the first and third paragraph), I feel you are underestimating the context and the sheer extent of the damage all the PLP skullduggery did. Yes, Corbyn carried baggage into this election, and that's what's gonna cost Labour, but it is my thesis that he's not the one to blame for most of those previous missteps. Furthermore, he's quickly proven himself to be able to rise out of adversity, in force. This is exactly what a leftist party in a country overran by Murdoch rags needs. I think the Labour backbenchers can see this too, and might be prepared to try working with him in the future. This in turn might lead to something much needed these days: an honest to god party drifting to the left. I've read their manifesto, and if this is what united Labour under Corbyn aims to achieve, it's well worth letting him continue after a lost snap election.

I guess my point is: winning every fight is not the only way to make a difference. If this was milquetoast same old same old blairism losing yet again, yeah, the guy at the helm should resign. But I think this is someone with principles making his party better, and he's now proven how effective a campaign he can run in the future.

Thanks for answering.

And to add to those points, in 5 years there will be more of the young voting demographic, who seem to band around Corbyn. There will be fewer old people, and I don't think in 5 years the Tories will find anyone nearly as good at running a campaign as Cameron was - meaning, the next Tory campaign is likely to be another dumpster fire that a charismatic opposition leader can take advantage of. I just don't see anyone else in Labour being able to do anything 5 years henceforth.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:09

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Lord_Adonis posted:

But were those military interventions into politics conceived of to protect Liberal Democracy from far-right sabotage, and implemented in a strictly time-limited context?

One of them had their stated cause pretty drat close to that, actually, but it doesn't matter. The reasons never matter. Giving over power to your military changes your country in many many unexpected ways, all of them really bad. I would write a long post about exactly how, seeing as how in Argentina you get it the whole history of the dictatorships and their atrocities hammered into you (a very popular motto with regards to them is "never again"), but honestly many better men than me have written much better books about it. There's literally hundreds of books about it, many dozen in english, so look it up, hell, even the wikipedia article should give you a good idea of why military dictatorships are an incredibly dumb idea.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:10

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I think if we wanted a military dictatorship, we'd probably need a fully staffed and funded military

Many of the countries that had them never had that before it happened.

Somehow lots of them got something like that during it though.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:12

Lord_Adonis: Mar 2, 2015; by Smythe

Upon reflection of my endorsement of a military intervention in UK politics, I must ask you all to disregard my comments regarding this issue, and to ask for forgiveness for my hysterical attitude. I was motivated by desperation and anger, of the sort that motivated me to verbally abuse one of my local UKIP councillors on the day after the referendum. It is borne of a stupid and crass mentality that I should labour to overcome. I have crossed a line and will endeavour to find a better method of communicating my misgivings about Brexit, and desire to remain an EU citizen.

Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jun 1, 2017

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:13

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Lord_Adonis posted:

Upon reflection of my endorsement of a military intervention in UK politics, I must ask you all to disregard my comments regarding this issue, and to ask for forgiveness for my hysterical attitude. I was motivated by desperation and anger, of the sort that motivated me to verbally abuse one of my local UKIP councillors on the day after the referendum. It is borne of a stupid and crass mentality that I should labour to overcome. I will endeavour to find a better method of communicating my misgivings about Brexit, and desire to remain an EU citizen.

It's cool, my man. And as for the EU thing I believe Germany has discussed offering fast-track dual citizenship in the event of a hard brexit.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:15

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Guavanaut posted:

Many of the countries that had them never had that before it happened.

Somehow lots of them got something like that during it though.

it was more a comment on the general shoddy state of our military rather than an actual assessment of their capability of carrying out an sort of coup. Seriously, a lot of the barracks, RAF and Navy facilities I visit are on the verge of falling down

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:16

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

Is this Indian guy for real?

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:17

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

Already watching it. It is reinforcing my belief that Norway is an ideal society.

E: help I'm stuck in weird Norwegian land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCdDIgoOwQ

Have you ever let yourself descend into the weird world of Ylvis ? Most people only know their fox song, but they have a lot of really funny poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-oemgzlEU

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:17

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

That was awkward. and surreal, Suzanne Evans telling an angry asian man that immigration has brought the Uk benefits.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:18

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Looke posted:

Is this Indian guy for real?

Oi he might not be Indian specifically. :|

He was racist as gently caress tho. Or failing at an ironic rant.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:18

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Yeah sometimes you have recent immigrants being racist against immigrants. People are weird and dumb.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:20

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

I thought he said "Indians like me" I could be mistaken though!

Apologies to my Indian homies out there x

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:22

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

In my experience it's usually based on how long they've been here. Older first generation and second generation immigrants (usually south Asian and Caribbean) can sometimes get annoyed with recent immigrants (usually Eastern European) because they feel it's a lot easier to immigrate now (which it is, but that's not the fault of the recent immigrants).

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:24

Captain No-mates: Apr 3, 2010

Looke posted:

I thought he said "Indians like me" I could be mistaken though!

Apologies to my Indian homies out there x

I begrudgingly accept. X

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:24

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:27

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Gonzo McFee posted:

There's still a week to go, the rate the polls are going and the momentum on Labour's side...

I mean the Conservatives are going to win because Conservatives are never held accountable to their eternal fuckups but still...

but still...

BUT STILL HE COMES!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4BWSUV8mM

The good version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eCAphdQPck (well if you ignore the visuals) e: christ loving tony soprano pops up in there

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 1, 2017

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:28

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

I want this guy in the blue shirt at my next birthday party.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:31

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What is going on?

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:33

Marmaduke!: May 19, 2009; Why would it do that!?

Indian dude borrowed his neighbor's glasses to get back on TV

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:33

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

Show of solidarity, no Tory candidates will be participating in future debates

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:34

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Tough crowd on QT tonight. People actually booing the idea of more spending on public services.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:36

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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Are we going to be having end of last series of Game of Thrones "everyone gathered in the big church" moment.

Because if we are I would like to be prewarned.

Oh and I prefer the folkier stuff from Norway

Moddi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5FpPP4TSA

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:36

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

jabby posted:

Tough crowd on QT tonight. People actually booing the idea of more spending on public services.

Gardiner seemed to get in a muddle on Brexit.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:38

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

how is not attending anything supposed to make them look good

are they just all in their homes thinking about brexit

are they convening a secret meeting of the grand tory secret society where they have weird sex with masks on and summon the spirit of margaret thatcher to take over their bodies and unleash a hellish new hivemind order that assimilates all mankind

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:38

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Josef bugman posted:

Are we going to be having end of last series of Game of Thrones "everyone gathered in the big church" moment.

Because if we are I would like to be prewarned.

Oh and I prefer the folkier stuff from Norway

Moddi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5FpPP4TSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Hndsyfn6M

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:38

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

Theresa May doesn't follow anyone on twitter, fyi

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:38

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

Gardiner seemed to get in a muddle on Brexit.

Putting Gardiner and Davis together seems to be a recipe for a very dry debate with both of them trying to make very specific points. It doesn't help that actually their positions aren't that different.

EDIT: gently caress off Nick, going after the Labour party by agreeing 100% with the Tories that we must never tax the rich.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:40

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

If I'm going to dare to hope then the British do have a soft spot for plucky underdogs who surge back at the 11th hour against incredible odds. At least when it comes to sport they do. So maybe that will give Labour the push they need over the finish line. And I mean May's campaign has really been making an incredible pig's ear of things, which just depresses me because she's still the most likely to win.

Still, Labour winning with a razor thin majority would be an utterly poo poo place to be for the country. Yes we're likely to see a lot more sense in the Brexit negotiations on account of Brexit's unique power to burn the with something vaguely approaching the same intensity as it will burn the working man, but the government's working majority is going to be held to ransom on matters of domestic policy by red tory cunts every step of the way, which is going to absolutely shatter all the youthful energy behind the movement that we're currently building up. We'd end up with a British Obama administration.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:43

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Jesus Clegg. "Most politicians are not amoral beings". Just join the Tory party already.

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NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

His name is Nick.

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