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Mordiceius posted:I still don't understand why they have to do maintenance on the tube literally every single night. i'm going to guess BART's infrastructure is as poorly upkept as everything else in this country and would fail catastrophically without it
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'm going to guess BART's infrastructure is as poorly upkept as everything else in this country and would fail catastrophically without it Already does so even with it Last summer there were tons of problems with trains shorting out
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'm going to guess BART's infrastructure is as poorly upkept as everything else in this country and would fail catastrophically without it A few years back there was a 1 foot-or-so gap in the tracks. The photo they used to show the distance had a dollar bill in the middle for a size reference. Someone joked "I see BART's maintenance budget doubled" or something like that, and I got a hearty laugh. It's pretty much like that.
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It is utterly bizarre that SF with so much money there adamantly refuses to modernize its rail system.
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incoherent posted:It is utterly bizarre that SF with so much money there adamantly refuses to modernize its rail system. People who live in San Francisco are horrible and the only people worse are the people who get involved in San Francisco politics.
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Also, to fix the heart of the issue, they would need to build another tunnel under the bay to add another set of rails, which is extremely expensive
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TildeATH posted:People who live in San Francisco are horrible and the only people worse are the people who get involved in San Francisco politics. Also BART is determined by the voters in several counties so it is easy to convince people to reject projects that won't benefit them. Peninsula BART users care less about the tube etc.
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incoherent posted:It is utterly bizarre that SF with so much money there adamantly refuses to modernize its rail system. SF does not own BART, they've also built a new central subway with potential further plans, with expanded t line, van ness bus rapid transit corridor. They certainly should build more light rail up around the northeast to presidio and also improve n line and stuff, but still they're trying. BART is its own agency with jurisdiction and its own multi county beast and we actually just passed a 4 billion bond to improve it so things will be happening, slowly and probably needs more like 40 billion. You're looking at people not just in one city but a huge major metropolitan area to make that happen But when it comes down to it, local county and city municipalities are quite loving poor. Between prop 13 limiting property tax, there's only so much you can raise sales tax(bad) and pass parcel "fees", hotel fees, whatever; meanwhile you have a shitton of expenses subsidizing muni (good and necessary, homeless services since your the only one in town not treating them like garbage and kicking them to the next city over, lot of city workers to keep things running and not paying them garbage Walmart wages because they are actual people, and so on. SF is hardly swimming in money and receive pretty little money in comparison for being in a tech bubble and having obscene property values This is where state and federal funding should come in but lol at the current administration (and also the state is pretty poor too ty prop 13) Xaris fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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it's almost impossible to overstate how clever evil, and perfect prop 13 is to gently caress california, a state with a top 6 world GDP and population of a major country
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BART pays pretty well, I hear, like operators making ~$90,000 a year and vested for retirement in 5 years.
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Panfilo posted:BART pays pretty well, I hear, like operators making ~$90,000 a year and vested for retirement in 5 years.
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Jun 2, 2017 05:59
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It's as if a collective agreement prevented wage stagnation. hummmm...........
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Xaris posted:They pay what 1960s wages adjusted for real inflation should be. Nothing wrong with that but irrelevant anyways Also I'm pretty sure they still pay less than MUNI.
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Jun 2, 2017 06:06
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I for one am fine with the decades old underwater tunnel being maintained every night. I like not dying in total darkness surrounded by screaming people.
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At some point, you're going to have to dig a new hole thats seismically sound and can support a modern city\county.
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Trabisnikof posted:Also I'm pretty sure they still pay less than MUNI. Other positions probably not though
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incoherent posted:At some point, you're going to have to dig a new hole thats seismically sound and can support a modern city\county. I think it's always going to be a tough sell: city officials have a natural bias against paying into a system that people in other cities benefit from. Hopefully the wisdom of the Bay Area Plan will guide us past these obstacles to the golden commutrain future I deserve.
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Oneiros posted:It's 3+ miles of the most heavily used track in the entire system. In a tunnel. Underwater. With no redundancy. It has two tracks, can they not work on one while the other is in use overnight? See also a couple years ago when they were doing exactly that.
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Progressive JPEG posted:It has two tracks, can they not work on one while the other is in use overnight? See also a couple years ago when they were doing exactly that. They have sections with two tracks but they don't have two tracks for the entire system: Bart faq posted:Unlike some public transit systems with multiple sets of tracks on the same routes, BART doesn't have the duplication that would allow us to run trains on one set while performing maintenance on another. Third-rail power has to be shut down for maintenance crews to be able to operate safely and do the work that keeps the system safe and reliable. And the trains can't run when the power is down.
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Trabisnikof posted:They have sections with two tracks but they don't have two tracks for the entire system: This thing implies two parallel tracks for the length of the tube
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Trabisnikof posted:Also I'm pretty sure they still pay less than MUNI. I think MUNI is a flaming pile of poo poo for a whole lot of reasons (at least the parts I use) but drat I will defend the drivers to my dying breath. I can't tell you many times I've had to listen to I know plenty of people who were basically bragging about voting down the last BART bond for the same reason 
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Progressive JPEG posted:This thing implies two parallel tracks for the length of the tube Tracking alone isn't the issue, I should have said they lack redundancy for the entire line. The lack of switches etc is a big part of the problem. For example, if that map is right, if they single track the bay tube there's not a switch on the Embarcadero side of the tube. That would mean trains in both directions would end up on the same track with no way to pass. Likewise there is only one switch between the downtown SF stations, so those would run into the same problem. Also I bet there are a bunch of switches that can't be maintained without shutting down both tracks.
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Progressive JPEG posted:This thing implies two parallel tracks for the length of the tube Yes, there is one track going in each direction. They could (and have) single-track trains thru the tunnel while performing maintenance on the other but a) single tracking presents some logistical issues just by itself, b) I have a suspicion that the tracks really do require that much maintenance, and c) they probably don't have the money to run continuously anyway.
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While unfun and annoying, I'm fine with sacrificing my option to get piss drunk at the latest SF priced $15 artisanal whiskey cocktails at 2am so poor retail and other service workers can get to work on the weekend before 10 I suppose a lot of Bay Aryans will disagree, being drunk is pretty important tho
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Trabisnikof posted:The lack of switches etc is a big part of the problem. The way they do it (when necessary) is the trains switch tracks between Embarcadero and Montgomery, and they simply don't use one side of the platform at Embarcadero. That also means that only one train can be on the tracks at a time for the entire stretch between Montgomery and West Oakland, though. Maybe it's "good enough" for overnight service on weekends, but it's still a logistical risk that's probably not worth it.
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Oneiros posted:I think MUNI is a flaming pile of poo poo for a whole lot of reasons (at least the parts I use) but drat I will defend the drivers to my dying breath. I can't tell you many times I've had to listen to  (Counterpoint: gently caress you, the cost of living is insane.)
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Except you know, they deserve hazard pay for getting threatened every day with possible assault, stabbing or shot; dealing with idiot drivers, bikers, and even pedestrians darting in front and cutting you off and doing really stupid things at like literally every intersection; and handle passengers watching porn masturbating, smoking inside the bus, taking a poo poo, and harrasing others in the bus, and doing that day after day So you'd need to pay pretty good or else your going to have massive turn over requiring a lot of new bus training and teaching the routes to know the stops, and ending up with schedule impacts to riders in the mean time
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themrguy posted:I for one am fine with the decades old underwater tunnel being maintained every night. I like not dying in total darkness surrounded by screaming people. That money could be better spent on water management in southern California. I propose we sell off BART to finance more water pipes from norcal aquifers to Los Angeles lawns. Did you know that during the drought we could only water our lawns at NIGHT? Absolutely barbaric.
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Xaris posted:Except you know, they deserve hazard pay for getting threatened every day with possible assault, stabbing or shot
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Dead Reckoning posted:To be fair, that's like, every public facing city employee (and occasionally members of the Board of Supervisors.) Agreed. Those people should all be paid extremely well, too.
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Dead Reckoning posted:To be fair, that's like, every public facing city employee (and occasionally members of the Board of Supervisors.) Beaten, but indeed every public facing city employee should be paid well and have good benefits.
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Is one bedroom rent costing less than %50 of gross earnings the standard we are using for having a high paying job?
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And I get to live in Marin which just built its own light rail, except it doesn't connect to anything else  I just want to take the train into the city to get drunk
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Beaten, but indeed every public facing city employee should be paid well and have good benefits.
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Dead Reckoning posted:If they are doing essentially unskilled labor, why should the city pick one San Franciscan to have a lavish salary and benefits when there are many other equally skilled citizens who would agree to do the same job for less if they had the chance?
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Playing devil's advocate usually means that you agree with what a person is saying in general, but want to test the rigor of what they're saying by challenging them to eventually strengthen their argument. You're just an rear end in a top hat.
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He is making the assumption that everyone makes financially rational decisions... But if that were the case, the poor would
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Dead Reckoning posted:If they are doing essentially unskilled labor, why should the city pick one San Franciscan to have a lavish salary and benefits when there are many other equally skilled citizens who would agree to do the same job for less if they had the chance? Part of having good benefits and pay as a federal employee usually means stringent contracts and job security. You want to make sure you hire people who have the temperament and work ethic. They may be "unskilled" (dealing with people is absolutely a skill, as is being a team player, etc.) but you can't just hire any random person.
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Unpopular Opinion: Every single person on this earth should have enough money to live, letting people starve to death on the streets is a failure of society.
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Press release from Kimberly Ellis's campaign: Bauman Refuses Request for Independent Forensic Audit OAKLAND, Calif. (June 2, 2017): Eric Bauman has rejected the request by the Ellis campaign for an independent forensic audit, which was formally submitted for consideration on Tuesday through legal counsel. While the Ellis campaign's review of the ballot is ongoing, initial inspection uncovered alarming discrepancies and an amassing of ineligible voters to change the outcome of the election, warranting a call for an independent expert to intervene and validate the vote. Because of the magnitude of the concerns, the Ellis campaign firmly believes any allegation raised should be accompanied by verified evidence from a credentialed, independent professional. The Ellis campaign recognizes that their position is not impartial and have requested that an outside independent firm step in and conduct a complete forensic audit so that the voting delegation has confidence in the neutrality of the assessment. Kaufman Legal Group, which jointly represents Eric Bauman's campaign and now the California Democratic Party, was provided specific requests, including a formal legal demand for preservation of records. The Ellis campaign continues to seek an inclusive and collaborative remedy to validate the election outcome. Should their efforts towards reconciliation not be returned, the Ellis campaign reserves its right to seek remedy in other venues. As per the CDP's Bylaws, the ratification of any officer race is subject to challenge, and no certification can take place until the challenge is resolved. As such, the Ellis campaign requested that an interim Chair serve until the election is certified. Bauman refuted this interpretation and instead has claimed his authority to serve as Chair. "Eric's rejection of an independent forensic audit is well beyond troubling. If everything was done on the up-and-up, what is there to hide?," said Hilary Crosby, immediate past Controller of the CDP. "We're the largest Democratic Party in the country; are we really saying we don't know how to run a fair, transparent and impartial election, where the outcome is not in question? Instead of calls for unity, we should be calling for truth, because if we can't agree on the facts, how can we agree on how to move forward."
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