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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
I dunno, Boris has probably been saving those pig loving pictures for just such an occasion.

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Sturgeon warming up this tactic from 2015 to help the Tories

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/870552710466199552

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Sturgeon warming up this tactic from 2015 to help the Tories

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/870552710466199552

gently caress the SNP, accelerationist little shits that they are

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Baron Corbyn posted:

gently caress the SNP, accelerationist little shits that they are

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

Problem is this will give the tories a bat to beat labor with, just like they did last time

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

That's the tack to take, though, not "We'll help Jeremy Corbyn".

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

You're not thinking politically enough, friend.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

You've got this wrong. The SNP want to help the Tories in England. The SNP want a Tory government.

Both parties conspired (not directly, but through common purpose) in 2015 to portray an election result that could be a weak labour government propped up/having its 'feet held to the fire' by the SNP.

This fed the respective narrative of both parties. They're doing it again now. I expect a remix of the 'Milliband in pocket' poster any day.

Mu.
Sep 15, 2003

The thing about Forevereal Modding Mu is that he loves editing files and wants others to download his permanent mods. Fully editing, rich text, altering files and loving it. Download his mods and enjoy it.
I've been donating little bits of money to the Labour campaign whenever they send out their begging letters. Their most recent drive is to raise another half a million by polling day.

quote:

I spoke with Jeremy this morning and he couldn't wait to tell me: we made history yesterday. In a way only our movement could.

The target he set was an ambitious one: to raise Ł500,000 by polling day. But brilliant, generous, passionate Labour supporters like you raised over Ł400,000 before the day was out.

That's the biggest day of online fundraising British politics has ever seen.

And we're not done yet. Let's show the Tories — we're not finished making history until we kick them out of Number 10:

And what does your generosity mean? More leaflets, more posters, more stickers, more rosettes, more clipboards. More campaigning. It means more people will hear our message, and vote Labour.

This being the bosom of sweltering Labour party adoration that it is I'm sure most if not all of you have contributed something to their campaign already, but if not, why not throw Big Jez a fiver, and make America great again.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Ah but since this is 9 dimensional chess they're only pretending to help the tories now by appearing to gently caress Labour when they know that if they win a majority it will be the Tories that get blamed for Brexit.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Guavanaut posted:

The military dictatorship thing does have some appeal, in that last time around it led shortly after to a bourgeois revolution and the penning of an actual written bill of rights.

Maybe this time around it'll be constitutional socialism under Supreme Comrade Skinner.

Plus we might get to be clubmen. Although most of those got killed.

I can think of a number of issues with Skinner leading a pro-remain military dictatorship

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I didn't say pro-remain.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY
Subsequently followed by an SIS dictatorship using plans drawn up in the seventies.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Gort posted:

That's the tack to take, though, not "We'll help Jeremy Corbyn".

Bzzzt wrong!

Think it through.

A statement like "We'll make Corbyn Prime Minister" works for the SNP on every level.

The SNP's greatest fear has got to be wavering voters going back to Labour. A statement like this gives those voters permission to vote SNP, even if they really like Labour.

It sets the SNP up as kingmakers in Westminster in the event of a good Labour result in England. This is just good PR in Scotland, regardless of the actual political wrangling that takes place.

They know that on balance a statement like this probably hurts Labour in rUK more than it helps, but if Labour subsequently lose the SNP can blame the tory hellfucking on English Labour and English voters not being progressive enough, and they still have the Tory bogeyman in power for all usual purposes. If Labour win? See point 2.

It's spiteful and selfish of the SNP, but logically I think it's a flawless stance to be crowing about how they're going to be crowning Corbyn's Grime Ministership.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Oberleutnant posted:

You're not thinking politically enough, friend.

I'm not a resident anymore and I get my source of british politics from this friend, do fill me in :)

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
See above for my expert political analysis. Give me a job at the Guardian imo

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
UK now the worst-performing advanced economy in the world after post-Brexit vote slump

quote:

The UK is now the worst-performing advanced economy in the world, with growth slumping to just 0.2 per cent in the first three months of the year.

It means Britain is bottom of the G7 group of advanced economies, while Canada has surged to the top, with an expansion of 0.9 per cent in the period.

After Canada became the last G7 nation to report figures on Wednesday, the UK’s position at the bottom of the list was confirmed.

Before the Brexit vote, just under a year ago, the UK economy was flying high, outgrowing Germany, Japan and the US.

Behind Canada at the top is Germany with 0.6 per cent growth, followed by Japan with 0.5 per cent, France on 0.4 per cent and the US at 0.3 per cent.

The UK economy had initially held up better than expected in the months since last June’s Brexit vote, as consumer spending remained strong.

However, signs of a deterioration have been gathering as Theresa May readies herself to begin divorce talks with fellow EU leaders.

Inflation jumped unexpectedly to 2.7 per cent for the year in April, thanks to a dramatic slump in the pound which has made imports more expensive.

Price increases are now outpacing wages according to the latest Office for National Statistics data. As a result, shoppers may soon have to rein in the spending that has kept the economy afloat, experts say.

Earlier this month the Bank of England downgraded its growth forecast for 2017 to 1.9 per cent.

By contrast, Canada’s economy is on course to register a 3.7 per cent expansion, according to the country's national statistics agency.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...g-a7766286.html

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

This will work a bit but the Tories are in a loving state it'll be hard to make any coalition look worse than a party which is failing to make public appearances and whose leader is actually in hiding a week before the election.

The press will try of course.

Edit: It'll probably come too late to help but monthly NHS data is released this Thursday as well so around lunchtime you might start hearing more reports about missed targets.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

namesake posted:

This will work a bit but the Tories are in a loving state it'll be hard to make any coalition look worse than a party which is failing to make public appearances and whose leader is actually in hiding a week before the election.

The press will try of course.

Edit: It'll probably come too late to help but monthly NHS data is released this Thursday as well so around lunchtime you might start hearing more reports about missed targets.

Might be too late to make a difference at that point, but maybe some kind soul will leak it early :pray:

Vlex
Aug 4, 2006
I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.



Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

UK now the worst-performing advanced economy in the world after post-Brexit vote slump


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...g-a7766286.html

So strong. Much stable.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Oberleutnant posted:

See above for my expert political analysis. Give me a job at the Guardian imo

Thanks!

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Oberleutnant posted:

Bzzzt wrong!

Think it through.

A statement like "We'll make Corbyn Prime Minister" works for the SNP on every level.

The SNP's greatest fear has got to be wavering voters going back to Labour. A statement like this gives those voters permission to vote SNP, even if they really like Labour.

It sets the SNP up as kingmakers in Westminster in the event of a good Labour result in England. This is just good PR in Scotland, regardless of the actual political wrangling that takes place.

They know that on balance a statement like this probably hurts Labour in rUK more than it helps, but if Labour subsequently lose the SNP can blame the tory hellfucking on English Labour and English voters not being progressive enough, and they still have the Tory bogeyman in power for all usual purposes. If Labour win? See point 2.

It's spiteful and selfish of the SNP, but logically I think it's a flawless stance to be crowing about how they're going to be crowning Corbyn's Grime Ministership.

I guess the problem is Sturgeon didn't say that and explicitly ruled out a formal coalition in the article, all she said was she'd work on an issue by issue basis with 'progressive parties' (i.e. Labour) to support a progressive agenda. Buzzfeed just put a sensationalist and imo outright untrue spin on the interview and Pissflaps ate it up because he's an idiot.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


namesake posted:

This will work a bit but the Tories are in a loving state it'll be hard to make any coalition look worse than a party which is failing to make public appearances and whose leader is actually in hiding a week before the election.

The press will try of course.

Edit: It'll probably come too late to help but monthly NHS data is released this Thursday as well so around lunchtime you might start hearing more reports about missed targets.

The Tories have already been pushing "Coalition of Chaos" from the moment the election started.
Sturgeon putting it back in the papers for them isn't great, but I don't think it'll impact too badly this time, momentum is against the Tories. It's going to take a bigger move than an already existing talking point, to get them more than stabilised.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

multijoe posted:

I guess the problem is Sturgeon didn't say that and explicitly ruled out a formal coalition in the article, all she said was she'd work on an issue by issue basis with 'progressive parties' (i.e. Labour) to support a progressive agenda. Buzzfeed just put a sensationalist and imo outright untrue spin on the interview and Pissflaps ate it up because he's an idiot.

The spin Buzzfeed put on it is correct one and entirely intended by the SNP.

Flatscan
Mar 27, 2001

Outlaw Journalist

Oberleutnant posted:

See above for my expert political analysis. Give me a job at the Guardian imo

Sorry, you didn't praise Yvette Cooper enough.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

mehall posted:

The Tories have already been pushing "Coalition of Chaos" from the moment the election started.
Sturgeon putting it back in the papers for them isn't great, but I don't think it'll impact too badly this time, momentum is against the Tories. It's going to take a bigger move than an already existing talking point, to get them more than stabilised.
Never underestimate southerners' weird hate for The Jock.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

‘Kill them, kill them, kill them’: the volunteer army plotting to wipe out Britain’s grey squirrels posted:

She set up strategically placed feeders so that she could pull up quietly in her car, wind down her window and shoot the greys with an air rifle. Her husband got a gun and joined in. The first time I spoke to Bailey by telephone, I asked her how many squirrels she and Phil had eliminated since they began. She paused. I could hear the clicking of a mouse through a spreadsheet. “Four hundred and sixty nine,” she replied.

When I visited her home a month later, I found a shrine to the red squirrel. The time was told by a red squirrel clock, the woodburner was adorned with cast-iron squirrels, Bailey’s study walls and carpet were squirrel-red; there were ornamental squirrels made by a local sculptor, a red squirrel jigsaw, goblet, boot brush, paperweight and piggybank. We drank tea from red squirrel mugs, and sat by a grey-coloured freezer. When I asked what was inside, Bailey opened the door and pulled out neatly butchered hunks of grey squirrel. “All our greys go in that freezer and we eat them. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but that’s what we do. Very healthy meat. Phil loves his squirrel curry, because he just loves curry. I love it in a stew, so it falls off the bone like pulled pork.” Bailey was collecting the pelts to make a grey waistcoat.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/02/kill-them-the-volunteer-army-plotting-to-wipe-out-britains-grey-squirrels
:stonklol:

communism bitch fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Jun 2, 2017

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Flatscan posted:

Sorry, you didn't praise Yvette Cooper enough.

When push comes to shove it's all about Liz Kendall for me.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

peanut- posted:

The spin Buzzfeed put on it is correct one and entirely intended by the SNP.

The title of the article if 'Nicola Sturgeon Says The SNP Would Help Jeremy Corbyn Become Prime Minister' but in the article itself she rules out the only course of action that could allow him to do if he otherwise couldn't (form a parliamentary majority through a formal coalition). Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition if the need and opportunity presented itself, it's still really scummy to outright misquote her imply she'd take a course of action she actually ruled out in that interview.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Guavanaut posted:

I didn't say pro-remain.
Lord_Adonis brought up the military coup in the first place and it was explicitly pro-Remain. sorry i didn't realise your version was supposed to be even loopier.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

multijoe posted:

The title of the article if 'Nicola Sturgeon Says The SNP Would Help Jeremy Corbyn Become Prime Minister' but in the article itself she rules out the only course of action that could allow him to do if he otherwise couldn't (form a parliamentary majority through a formal coalition). Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition if the need and opportunity presented itself, it's still really scummy to outright misquote her imply she'd take a course of action she actually ruled out in that interview.
From the article:

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Friday, Sturgeon said she'd expect "all sorts of talks" between her and Corbyn in the event of a hung parliament and predicted Scotland would end up being be "pivotal" in the outcome of the election.

"I've said very clearly, I said this many times during the 2015 election, that if there was to be a hung parliament – if the parliamentary arithmetic allowed it – then I would want the SNP to be part of a progressive alternative to a Conservative government," said the first minister.


If that's not saying "we will decide the outcome for the country in case of no overall control in England", I don't know what is, whether she has a very loving ~nuanced~ opinion about coalitions or not.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

it's already been explained but they're utterly loving Labour (and subsequently everyone else), not the Tories by saying stuff like this. They want another Tory government because that's one of the conditions to make independence likelier.

multijoe posted:

Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition

Sturgeon as the speaker would be implying meaning, a listener infers meaning from what the speaker is saying.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

Lord_Adonis brought up the military coup in the first place and it was explicitly pro-Remain. sorry i didn't realise your version was supposed to be even loopier.

So, uh, have you never heard of 'jokes' before?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
What's the worst that could happen.


quote:

For the last eight years, Prince Charles, as patron of the Red Squirrel Survival Trust, has promoted campaigns to exterminate the greys.
I think I heard about the feud between the greys and the lizards on the X Files.

Cerv posted:

Lord_Adonis brought up the military coup in the first place and it was explicitly pro-Remain. sorry i didn't realise your version was supposed to be even loopier.
The idea is that Adonis' pro-remain military coup goes down about as well as you'd expect in England, there's a popular uprising, a handful of small skirmishes, and Supreme Comrade Skinner takes over the collapsed government and brings about socialism in one country.

It's about as likely as a pro-remain coup in the first place.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

One thing that really bugs me is humanity's fetishisation of animals that are really crap at living in the world we've made, and our all-out hatred of the ones that are really good at it. People hate raccoons, rats and grey squirrels, but they idolise pandas and red squirrels.

I get wanting to preserve biodiversity, but going on bloody massacres against the animals that are actually able to make it on their own is insane.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

multijoe posted:

The title of the article if 'Nicola Sturgeon Says The SNP Would Help Jeremy Corbyn Become Prime Minister' but in the article itself she rules out the only course of action that could allow him to do if he otherwise couldn't (form a parliamentary majority through a formal coalition). Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition if the need and opportunity presented itself, it's still really scummy to outright misquote her imply she'd take a course of action she actually ruled out in that interview.

that's not true. the SNP can vote for a minority Corbyn government's Queen's speech, budget, etc without entering a formal coalition.
Sturgeon has experience of this sort of confidence and supply arrangement from the first SNP minority government in Holyrood.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Gort posted:

One thing that really bugs me is humanity's fetishisation of animals that are really crap at living in the world we've made, and our all-out hatred of the ones that are really good at it. People hate raccoons, rats and grey squirrels, but they idolise pandas and red squirrels.

I get wanting to preserve biodiversity, but going on bloody massacres against the animals that are actually able to make it on their own is insane.
Hey now, human civilisations are judged best by how much they take care of those who can't take care of themselves.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

jBrereton posted:

From the article:

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Friday, Sturgeon said she'd expect "all sorts of talks" between her and Corbyn in the event of a hung parliament and predicted Scotland would end up being be "pivotal" in the outcome of the election.

"I've said very clearly, I said this many times during the 2015 election, that if there was to be a hung parliament – if the parliamentary arithmetic allowed it – then I would want the SNP to be part of a progressive alternative to a Conservative government," said the first minister.


If that's not saying "we will decide the outcome for the country in case of no overall control in England", I don't know what is, whether she has a very loving ~nuanced~ opinion about coalitions or not.

If only she's elaborated on what that could be ...

the very next line in the article posted:

"Not in a coalition, I don't envisage any formal coalitions, but on an issue-by-issue basis to put forward progressive policies and see a progressive agenda. We see some of the parties in this election, not least Labour, putting forward policies that the SNP has already implemented in Scotland."

Cerv posted:

that's not true. the SNP can vote for a minority Corbyn government's Queen's speech, budget, etc without entering a formal coalition.
Sturgeon has experience of this sort of confidence and supply arrangement from the first SNP minority government in Holyrood.

Fair point though, I stand corrected

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Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

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