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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
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312 | 17.17% |
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ThomasPaine posted:I just don't much care about preserving species for their own sake (unless they're vital to an ecosystem). Always felt that the resources would be better spent ensuring more sustainable future development. Learning from our mistakes is important but I see no point in holding two or three massively endangered creatures in captivity obsessing over getting them to breed. This is where you generally start looking at the ecological importance of bamboo forests, and giant pandas' role in maintaining them. See also, sea turtles - if they go, then a whole bunch of important fish are going to lose their breeding grounds in sea-grass fields.
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ThomasPaine posted:I just don't much care about preserving species for their own sake (unless they're vital to an ecosystem). Always felt that the resources would be better spent ensuring more sustainable future development. Learning from our mistakes is important but I see no point in holding two or three massively endangered creatures in captivity obsessing over getting them to breed. Pandas are fluffy and cute and iconic, and as such are walking weapons in the Chinese cultural arsenal. People were going crazy for the two at Edinburgh Zoo last week and I didn't get it at all. It's a money spinner.
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darkwasthenight posted:Pandas are fluffy and cute and iconic, and as such are walking weapons in the Chinese cultural arsenal. People were going crazy for the two at Edinburgh Zoo last week and I didn't get it at all. It's a money spinner. 
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Oberleutnant posted:I don't have any particular opinion on culling animals for environmental reasons. What I very much do have opinions on is the people interviewed in that article, who are a bunch of dorks who hunt squirrels weith thermal imaging equipped air rifles and then make waistcoats out of the pelts, and sit around in conference rooms pretending to be elite anti squirrel special forces planning a genocidal campaign against dirty foreigns. Who the gently caress cares if the people hunting grey squirrels are a bunch of manchildren or turbospergs or toffs. We only care that they kill grey squirrels faster than they can reproduce and if they insist on doing it with tacticlol varmint rifles while wearing squirrel pelt coats then so be it. Basically, this: El Perkele posted:And as horrible as it may sound, giving people some prize for their participation - be it as little as bragging rights or a piece of paper - has been shown to really help in conservation issues. And yes, this includes things such as brushtail possum hats and cane toad wallets. Most of the successful removal campaigns of invasive species are characterized by their ruthlessness. I encourage everyone to look up Judas goats on Galapagos, and elite New Zealand-trained reindeer hunters (yeah really) followed by 300 loving tons of airdropped rat poison (again, yeah really) on South Georgia Island as two great conservation success stories that saved critically endangered species and ecosystems. e: compare and contrast that with the experience on some Hebrides islands where loving idiots introduced hedgehogs that ended up eating all the sea bird eggs, where due to sentimental idiots throwing a fit over the poor poor hedgehogs a thousand quid have to be spent per hedgehog to humanely capture and relocate the fuckers to Scotland where they will most likely be outcompeted into starvation by local hedgehogs and/or murdered by other wildlife anyway. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Jun 2, 2017 11:46
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Jun 2, 2017 11:46
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Jun 2, 2017 11:47
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It's H A P P E N I N G
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blowfish posted:Phone polls are more likely to reach old grumpy Tory voters, right? They sure are, and the Mori weightings are similar to ComRes, IIRC< meaning a reasonable 16-24 turnout would skew away from their figures in favour of Labour.
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Jun 2, 2017 11:48
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870592083060543488 Bloody heck
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I think I can hear the sound of goalposts being dragged along the ground by Dan Hodges somewhere.
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Jun 2, 2017 11:59
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I'm also pretty sure this is still bad for Jeremy Corbyn.
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blowfish posted:I'm also pretty sure this is still bad for Jeremy Corbyn. It's bad for my dicky heart, I know that.
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Jun 2, 2017 12:00
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*whispering seductively in your ear* Ipso Mori polls skew heavily towards the older voters...
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Jun 2, 2017 12:00
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When's the election???
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Jun 2, 2017 12:02
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Like that UKIP's been dropped from the runnings. Do it olds, vote for Jam Grandad, embrace Jam Socialism.
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Gonzo McFee posted:*whispering seductively in your ear* Don't tease us like this Gonzo
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Jun 2, 2017 12:03
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what did ipso mori have labour polling at before the election got called?
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Kurtofan posted:When's the election???
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Jun 2, 2017 12:03
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is corbz on record as preferring a certain type of jam? because to be honest if it's not raspberry i'm gonna have some grievances.
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Lovechop posted:is corbz on record as preferring a certain type of jam? because to be honest if it's not raspberry i'm gonna have some grievances. Apple and blackcurrant I think he said?
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Jun 2, 2017 12:05
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SteelMentor posted:Like that UKIP's been dropped from the runnings. They aren't going to, 20 months of Corbyn being called a dangerous terrorist is going to handily win the election for May. I know twitter says otherwise but twitter said Miliband would win and Trump would be devastated. Most people don't follow politics and Corbyn Bad will be the only message they have heard. peeps gonna be turning up like, "which one is the brexit party? All i know is don't vote Corbyn, right?"
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Kurtofan posted:why did may call the election lol This was less than a week before she called the election and then hosed everything up extremely badly
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ThomasPaine posted:I just don't much care about preserving species for their own sake (unless they're vital to an ecosystem). Always felt that the resources would be better spent ensuring more sustainable future development. Learning from our mistakes is important but I see no point in holding two or three massively endangered creatures in captivity obsessing over getting them to breed. I'm not going to do the full  post because I'm packing to leave this rainy and/or overly sunny and hot island for two weeks, but essentially1) I basically agree with you. So do conservationists who care mainly about ecosystems. Conservationists (or, as I would say, """conservationists""") who care mainly about the inherent moral value of each species or life (but in practice operate on an implied corollary of "except the ugly and/or tiny ones") don't. 2) However, there is a pretty well-established relationship between ecosystem functioning and diversity in general, and size of your species and contribution to ecosystem functioning specifically. Essentially, more (established, well-adapted, so often not the case for invasives) species means better functioning, though the curve flattens out as you get more and more species (ie there is some level of redundancy with many functions having multiple species that could perform them) and larger species contribute more to functioning than smaller ones (basically because there are fewer species at the higher levels of the food chain, so there's less redundancy). So while specific mid size to small species going extinct might not be bad, good conservation practice would still end up having to save a large proportion of species at least. So for pandas, the single species of big fat panda going extinct would probably be worse for bamboo forests than a single species of bug going extinct, but if you drove all e.g. dead bamboo decomposing bugs extinct that would be just as bad if not worse than pandas going extinct. Of course, reality is complicated, and bamboo forest are a weird-rear end early succession habitat as far as I can see, so really the actual conservation goal should be to protect large tracts of forest some of which burns down every two hundred years or so and gets replaced for 50-100 years by bamboo forest which is then overgrown by trees again before burning down again etc., which would be natural conditions where pandas evolved to do their thing. Letting all forests go to poo poo and keeping a token tract of bamboo forest that's managed to stay bamboo forest forever is much worse for anything except panda diplomacy and people paying money to look at the results of panda diplomacy in the local zoo. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Unkempt posted:What's the black blob in, um, Reading or something? I would just like to say you are v bad at knowing where Reading is. (I saw black and wondered if we were getting our first anarchist MP :P)
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i had to look up when the labour leadership elections took place and it reminded me how badly Corbyn destroyed the other contenders haha, then they tried to knife him again when the tories were weak and he just got more votes lmao e: I'm now just reliving via wikipedia how loving badly labour bungled the last 2 years. The PLP is genuinely so furious to be presenting a left wing option, what loving party do they think they belong to? Cunts. Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Jose posted:what did ipso mori have labour polling at before the election got called? 14th March Ipsos Mori shows: CON 43 LAB 30 LD 13 UKIP 6 GRN 4 http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9822
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Firos posted:Apple and blackcurrant I think he said? Both native to england, I might add.
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Jose posted:what did ipso mori have labour polling at before the election got called? 26%..
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Kurtofan posted:why did may call the election lol Because she's really bad at this
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Firos posted:Apple and blackcurrant I think he said? alright, that's a good pick. i respect that. i would severely judge anyone who was basic enough to have their favourite jam be strawberry
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ThomasPaine posted:I just don't much care about preserving species for their own sake (unless they're vital to an ecosystem). All species are vital to the ecosystem you numpty.
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Five points is a very interesting number, if you go by national swing along anything less than 6 points hangs parliament.
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