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I just kinda hate all space marine vehicles on a thematic level I think it's dumb that drive tanks and fly planes and poo poo :/
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I'm pretty sure it is a hovering thing with lots of shock absorbers for when it does land, but I really want it to millipede along on the little feet.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:some games that have official free rules pdfs available online: You either pay or you don't. Your outrage at not having free rules is not going to cut into their bottom line.
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Avenging Dentist posted:I feel kinda spoiled by Dark Age where the books are just for collectors and people who like fluff.
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How anyone can defend a buissiness is beyond me. They don't care if you critique them but they also don't care if you defend them. An GW especially doesn't deserve it when they try to trademark or copyright basic words like rifle to rifile, glaive to klaive or the words loving space marine. Please don't waste energy defending them.
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Jun 2, 2017 14:48
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I'm pretty sure "Rifile" was a typo
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berzerkmonkey posted:The problem with your comparison is that (with the exception of FFG) all of these games are tiny compared to 40K and putting their rules out for free is one of the few ways they can stir up interest in their game in the hopes you purchase something from their product line. Whether you like it or not, GW does control the miniatures game market and they can afford to charge players to play. I would 100% love to see GW's rules come out for free, but why would they offer a loss leader if they have no real competition? They have so very much no competition that they got passed up by FFG and PP is not far away. But hey, if you want to believe there's no possible concurrence for GW...
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If it was a typo ok. I don't know if biglies got their stuff leaked if they do I'll check because it falls in line with GW lawyer mind set. Its why chaos marines are now Hereticus Astartes an holy poo poo I find that displeasing. CSM tells me much more what they are than fake latin gibberish.
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Iceclaw posted:They have so very much no competition that they got passed up by FFG and PP is not far away. But hey, if you want to believe there's no possible concurrence for GW... Yeah like, X-wang is GW's biggest competition in the miniature wargame market right now. SW is being sold in actual big-boy retail stores like Target, Wal-Mart, B&N, etc., unlike GW which only has their own (tiny) proprietary stores and independent game stores. You can absolutely make the case that the rest of those games are tiny in comparison, but not SW.
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Jun 2, 2017 15:09
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You mean to say that something with the Star Wars licence is selling well? :O
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Much like Pokemon, if you can remember what that was, Star Wars is a passing fad
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I wish imperial assault was a bigger thing so that we'd see more star wars minis in painting competitions instead of space marine after space marine.
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Where are they now other than making more money than GW?
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Slimnoid posted:Yeah like, X-wang is GW's biggest competition in the miniature wargame market right now. SW is being sold in actual big-boy retail stores like Target, Wal-Mart, B&N, etc., unlike GW which only has their own (tiny) proprietary stores and independent game stores. I'd argue that GW is functionally on the same level now--X-Wing's rules PDF is free online, but the cards you "need" are scattered across dozens of kits that you don't want
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quote:It looks loving awful.
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Iceclaw posted:They have so very much no competition that they got passed up by FFG and PP is not far away. But hey, if you want to believe there's no possible concurrence for GW... As I said, FFG was excluded. They're also a much larger company in general, who is only dipping into the miniatures market. X-Wing has the penetration it does because of the SW license - it might be a good game (I haven't played it personally) but without the name brand recognition, it would be nowhere as large. It's also comparing apples to oranges - yes, both are miniatures games, but one is space combat and the other is tanks and soldiers duking it out on the ground. It's going to appeal to two different audiences. And just because PP shows up on a chart as being in 4th place behind 40K and Armada, we have no clue as to how large that gap is - you could literally be talking millions of units in sales. Without numbers, there is no way to tell who is breathing down GW's neck. For_Great_Justice posted:How anyone can defend a buissiness is beyond me. They don't care if you critique them but they also don't care if you defend them. An GW especially doesn't deserve it when they try to trademark or copyright basic words like rifle to rifile, glaive to klaive or the words loving space marine. Please don't waste energy defending them. Nobody is defending GW - they are saying that they have a perfectly legitimate business model. If you don't like it, act like a grownup and put your money elsewhere. Irate Tree posted:It looks loving awful.
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Corrode posted:You mean to say that something with the Star Wars licence is selling well? :O Aside from the branding (Star Wars sells, period), X-wang is also 1) pre-painted and mostly pre-assembled, lowering the barrier of entry; 2) fairly inexpensive to start; and 3) have rules that are actually functional, with little ambiguity, and scales well from casual to tournament without injecting a bunch of house-rules to make it competitive. GW has a recognizable brand and large presence. It doesn't sell itself on any of the points I made above. If it did, I doubt SW would be eating its lunch right now. TheChirurgeon posted:I'd argue that GW is functionally on the same level now--X-Wing's rules PDF is free online, but the cards you "need" are scattered across dozens of kits that you don't want Yeah the cards being scattered is horseshit and FFG knows it.
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Irate Tree posted:It looks loving awful. The gundamesque missile boxes all over the place are the weirdest thing.
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Bistromatic posted:Speedraiderback. Speedraiderbackwind
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NTRabbit posted:Speedraiderbackwind
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Lol if you don't think people die on GW hill. Fake edit: the don't like it don't respond is the biggest bull poo poo cry more internet argument next to calling someone a nazi.
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Just opened a box of the new Tyranid Warriors and they were packaged with 40mm bases in place of the correct 50mm bases. gently caress this bullshit, guess I am not going to even try 8th now! 
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For_Great_Justice posted:Lol if you don't think people die on GW hill. I'm not saying people won't defend GW, I'm saying that nobody here is. For_Great_Justice posted:Fake edit: the don't like it don't respond is the biggest bull poo poo cry more internet argument next to calling someone a nazi.
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Going ape poo poo is a bit far don't you think friend? Undermining someone by going nope umad not a great way to hold conversation an discussion.
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For_Great_Justice posted:How anyone can defend a buissiness is beyond me. They don't care if you critique them but they also don't care if you defend them. An GW especially doesn't deserve it when they try to trademark or copyright basic words like rifle to rifile, glaive to klaive or the words loving space marine. Please don't waste energy defending them. this x 100000 It's INCREDIBLY loving weird to defend a corporation you don't personally work for Like imagine jumping in to defend Apple removing the headphone jack; just bizarre behaviour
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Bistromatic posted:Speedraiderback. Flyno Yeah, the extra five missiles stuffed over the door is the silliest thing...
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Also strawmanning defense of gw to "they're not destroying the environment " come on. If bad is bad call it out.
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For_Great_Justice posted:Also strawmanning defense of gw to "they're not destroying the environment " come on. If bad is bad call it out. All I was saying is that you're putting in an awful lot of effort railing against a toy company.
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There are now starter, reserve, and mega forces up on sale for the Scunt Lords Chapter. And some other other stuff
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TheChirurgeon posted:I'd argue that GW is functionally on the same level now--X-Wing's rules PDF is free online, but the cards you "need" are scattered across dozens of kits that you don't want Even though I get what you're saying about cards being spread out, GW would only be functionally the same if the contents of all codices was available online for free and the codices themselves were just nice things which the occasional sperg will get really angry about if you play with a print-out rather than the actual physical codex.
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Hra Mormo posted:Even though I get what you're saying about cards being spread out, GW would only be functionally the same if the contents of all codices was available online for free and the codices themselves were just nice things which the occasional sperg will get really angry about if you play with a print-out rather than the actual physical codex. Does FFG upload their cards for free, or does another source? If it's the latter, than this recent string of leaks is basically that situation.
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Lol the limited edition rule book comes with a dimebag of tiny skulls
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Corrode posted:You mean to say that something with the Star Wars licence is selling well? :O Plenty of SW properties have crashed and burned over the years. I'm sure the licence helps, but the game still has to be good.
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StuG Jeebus posted:Plenty of SW properties have crashed and burned over the years. I'm sure the licence helps, but the game still has to be good. Truth. I don't care nearly enough about Star Wars to play X-Wing if it weren't also a good game
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StuG Jeebus posted:Plenty of SW properties have crashed and burned over the years. I'm sure the licence helps, but the game still has to be good. I'm sure the game is good, but it wouldn't be competing for #1 wargame sales without the licence. The two go hand in hand.
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Maybe take some Ritalin and gently caress off for a bit.
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Nah I feel fine right here. Love me some base personal attacks.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Maybe take some Ritalin and gently caress off for a bit. Whoa wtf?
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Corrode posted:I'm sure the game is good, but it wouldn't be competing for #1 wargame sales without the licence. The two go hand in hand. Given that it's so dramatically different from the traditional tabletop minis game I think it is very hard to determine.
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