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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Owlkill posted:Went to the Hammersmith/Fulham deaf and disabled hustings tonight. OwlFancier posted:If the UK fell under nuclear attack then launching in response would not undo that.
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The problem is that by allowing it to be repeatedly battered on you reduce it to "would you be willing to nuke our enemies, personally, or not?". The anti-apocalypse stance is weak, and the pro-apocalypse stance is known to be a lie.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:18
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Pissflaps posted:The idea that Corbyn's meetings with the IRA were part of the peace process rather than a measure of his support for their aims are not credible. The two are not exclusive.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:19
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It's like both sides are missing the point of the nukes. It isn' about using them or not. Their job is to stop us getting nuked with their very existence. What happens after is irrelevant.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:19
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I do honestly think it was a half dozen guys happy to find something they could press. The crowd was happier to hear good lady calling them scum than they were angry about his answers I hope that's right.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:20
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:lol if you think those three guys who wanted child murder would've accepted that. The wouldn't, but at least it's a clear line and it's an honest reason for not answering the question. Genuinely this issue isn't top in the minds of most of the electorate. It's much more about appearing confident and prime ministerial when you answer.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:20
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Owlkill posted:Went to the Hammersmith/Fulham deaf and disabled hustings tonight. Jesus. Where do they find these cunts from?
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Jun 2, 2017 22:20
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Oberleutnant posted:what the gently caress Yeah doesnt he know the secret is to subtly insult your audience. Theresa Mays new pledge: 7 foot golems of brass and iron in the likeness of Margaret Thatcher forged by the slave legions of Belial, prince of hell, to be given to all homes and give everyone a daily dose of ruthless genital crushing while they wear raw, untanned leather gimp gear. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Jun 2, 2017 22:21
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Pesmerga posted:Wish he'd have pointed out that North Korea can't reliably get a missile to South Korea, let alone the U.K. That's a technical point. They may as well have said what happens if aliens invade; they want to hear a bloodthirsty response about slaughtering our enemies no matter how civilisation destroying such attitudes actually are.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:21
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Jun 2, 2017 22:21
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Corbyn is too honest for his own good sometimes. Just say you'd retaliate with a heavy heart, not like anyone would be alive to call you out on it if you don't. Owlkill posted:Went to the Hammersmith/Fulham deaf and disabled hustings tonight.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:22
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forkboy84 posted:Jesus. Where do they find these cunts from? Added more detail about the other candidates but that kind of sticks in the mind! He was an old LD who freely admitted he only joined UKIP to get out of Europe and now that was done he didn't want to be in politics much longer.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:22
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"Yes I will do my part in destroying civilisation as we know it, for I am a maniacal power-hungry sociopath and think I can apply strategy from Sid Meier's games into real life. Next."
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Jun 2, 2017 22:24
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My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling?
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Jun 2, 2017 22:24
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Yeah doesnt he know the secret is to subtly insult your audience. In this weather?
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Jun 2, 2017 22:25
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Regarde Aduck posted:My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling? He looked good for the first five minutes but became increasingly flustered as the audience questioned him. It wasn't a good night for him.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:26
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"Actually yes, you gently caress, I'm going to use Trident to nuke the UK to make extra-sure that people like you don't survive. Chaos reigns."
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Jun 2, 2017 22:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling? He wasn't really panicking or anything, he just didn't give a good answer. Meanwhile May looked very frustrated and fumbled her words a bit.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling? His worst moment was when an audience member made yet another comment about nukes, and Corbyn was just silent for a second looking nervous. Then Dimbleby asked him if he wanted to come back on the point and he said 'no'. Some in the audience laughed. It picked up from there. It was embarrassing, and certainly a lost opportunity, but not something that's going to do serious harm.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling? He appeared deeply uncomfortable.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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Regarde Aduck posted:My guess is that this won't change much. Anyone that keen to start firing nukes was never going to vote for Corbyn. These were not swing voters and their message won't appeal to swing voters. More important was how Corbyn looked when answering. How obvious was it that he was bumbling? Very.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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There's a lad from Beirut on my Facebook going mental that corbyn wants to let in immigrants hahai Also his dad is going to shut down his salon because it's "not worth having a business under labour" Funny old game.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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Al-Saqr posted:It's awesome how loving stupid people are, nukes, which will never happen until the end of the world and the IRA that issue was resolved 20 years ago, is nore important than them getting hosed over forever by the tories in every aspect of their actual lives, holy poo poo. Anecdotally speaking, an awful lot of people seem to have their views and political allegiances set in stone, and will ignore or twist anything that doesn't reaffirm their views. I had a rather alarming conversation with my mother a few days ago, who regretfully has swallowed the concept of no money left hook, line and sinker, about the election. This is the conversation word for word. quote:Me: "You once told me you should vote for who you think is best for you and those you care about. Now can you honestly tell me that our family has been better off under the Tories as opposed to Labour?" Now to be fair due to her illness she's on large amounts of steroids and painkillers and it does affect her perception of things, but she votes. She is still convinced there is no money for any spending, that Labour borrowing caused the worldwide economic crash, and if you tax higher earners more it won't encourage people to better themselves. The Tories took away her disability money. I doubt she is the only one who thinks this way.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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"We promise to unleash the armies of hades upon these british isles, engulfing them in an unending torrent of fire, blood and gore." *audience is silent* "The armies will be managed by a private contractor" *Audience erupts into a standing ovation"
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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I cannot believe the nuke question. It is so dumb.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:27
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BBC News interviews 'small business owner' who asked Corbyn about the minimum wage. Turns out he's a Tory activist. Shocker, he thinks Corbyn did badly and May was Jesus incarnate.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:28
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This is my warm up melt down and god drat it I'm doing my best before I Chernobyl it for real.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:31
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Ludicro posted:Anecdotally speaking, an awful lot of people seem to have their views and political allegiances set in stone, and will ignore or twist anything that doesn't reaffirm their views. 
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Jun 2, 2017 22:30
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Marmaduke! posted:It's quite common when thinking about Ireland and the peace process, for people to remark that you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies (I think it was a line in Game of Thrones, no wonder it gets quoted often). But really, as that audience showed, that's not what people want, it's weak to make peace with your enemies. No, the correct course of action is to bomb them into submission and make them surrender. Nobody really cares about nukes/the IRA/Hamas. The questions are a trap: the point being to push him into saying something strong, or appear weak. The underlying question is "Mr Corbyn, are you STRONG enough to do whatever it takes to fight for/stand up for/etc Britain?" -If he answers the question "No, because X, then this portrays an image of him being WEAK and unfit to be PM -If he gives a nuanced or evasive answer, then he also appears WEAK, and unfit to be PM. -If he answers the question "Yes I would", there's a significant chance it would not be believed due to his past statements, which would allow the papers/Tories to cast the image of him as a liar, pulling up various quotes he made years ago. Those questions are a trap for him, and there is no real good answer he can give to them.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:31
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Anidav posted:I cannot believe the nuke question. It is so dumb. Yes, but in the case that the world was going to hell in a handbasket, and billions were about to die and our civilisation was about to be destroyed, would you strike back at the fuckers??? This is important to me somehow!
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Jun 2, 2017 22:32
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BBC news interviewing audience members, including the two who asked Corbyn about nukes and antisemitism, and apparently no-one has changed their mind as a result of the debate. All undecided voters remain undecided.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:33
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As a socilaist mr corby I want to know if you are willing to do your part in ensuring the collective destruction of the world instead of merely exploiting the labour of the nuclear proletariat???
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Jun 2, 2017 22:33
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https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/870751543431180289 And replying to this with "for a fat loving idiot, this is a new level of inane shithousery. Now kindly gently caress off and keep loving off forever, you total fuckwit" got me another twitter lock. Politics is fun!
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Jun 2, 2017 22:33
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^^^lol ok Piers Morgan calling for first strikes to be military doctrine. Putting him up there with all the monsters we're supposed to be defending ourselves from.jabby posted:BBC news interviewing audience members, including the two who asked Corbyn about nukes and antisemitism, and apparently no-one has changed their mind as a result of the debate. All undecided voters remain undecided. Not surprised, that was Corbyns worst showing. gently caress I hope they're prepping the whole weekend to do something amazing on Monday.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:34
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Nuclear eradication chambers on every street corner
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Jun 2, 2017 22:34
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own the means of destruction!!!
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Jun 2, 2017 22:34
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jabby posted:BBC news interviewing audience members, including the two who asked Corbyn about nukes and antisemitism, and apparently no-one has changed their mind as a result of the debate. All undecided voters remain undecided. This is hope. At least it doesn't seem like the nuke question hurt him.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:34
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National referendums in which countries wed prefer to trident
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Jun 2, 2017 22:35
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/870751543431180289 if people can't use it to call Piers Morgan a fuckwit then what's the point of twitter I don't understand
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Snipee posted:This is hope. At least it doesn't seem like the nuke question hurt him. We needed people swung over, though. We need to keep making progress.
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