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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
| Total: | 1817 votes | ||
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Another reminder (from the Telegraph, no less) that actual small business owners would quite like the Tories to git tae gently caress.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:59
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With the nuclear thing, isn't the obvious answer to literally just point out that if we got to that stage we'd all be dead anyway, so the only relevant thing to discuss is how not to get to that point... Maybe that wouldn't go down so well though lol. Then again from the guardian feed it looks like there were a bunch of the audience pretty keen on nuclear holocaust
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Jun 2, 2017 22:59
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^^^Yeah some older guys, going to assume ex-soldiers, really needed to hear that their PM is willing to kill millions for the honour of Queen and Country. gently caress 'em.crispix posted:Who is the other Alliance/NI non sectarian voter? I'm more curious about the 8 Tory voters. Who are they? What do they get out of reading this thread (over than my amazing posting)? While we bloody hate Tories we're happy to discuss points with them so long as it's a bit deeper than 'lol lefty idiots spent all the money!'
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Jun 2, 2017 23:02
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jabby posted:What Labour needs now is for this weekend's polls to be very good and show another great week of gains. That would probably overshadow the virtually tied debate and hopefully give them back the momentum. Mm, I'm irritated at the lost opportunity to show some actually important policies but hopefully that can be regained later on, a lost opportunity is better than an actively harmful one.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:03
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namesake posted:^^^Yeah some older guys, going to assume ex-soldiers, really needed to hear that their PM is willing to kill millions for the honour of Queen and Country. gently caress 'em. I was pretty tempted to do a comedy ukip vote, maybe they all had the same idea.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:04
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El Grillo posted:With the nuclear thing, isn't the obvious answer to literally just point out that if we got to that stage we'd all be dead anyway, so the only relevant thing to discuss is how not to get to that point... Nuclear/defence questions are largely about the prime minister being Big Daddy/Big Mummy rather than any actual concrete concerns based in, y'know, facts and whatnot
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Jun 2, 2017 23:04
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Less than a week before polling day and the exclusive UKMT poll suggests an unprecedented and overwhelming Labour majority. I'm quietly optimistic.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:05
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namesake posted:^^^Yeah some older guys, going to assume ex-soldiers, really needed to hear that their PM is willing to kill millions for the honour of Queen and Country. gently caress 'em. They post about us on other forums. I'm being serious :/
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Jun 2, 2017 23:06
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OwlFancier posted:Mm, I'm irritated at the lost opportunity to show some actually important policies but hopefully that can be regained later on, a lost opportunity is better than an actively harmful one. That's probably the best take away message. Prior to this debate the general mood was that it was up to the Tories to stop Labour's momentum. After this performance it's going to be up to Labour to do something to regain it. Maybe they can make some more hay out of the Tory candidate being charged with a criminal offence?
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Jun 2, 2017 23:06
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Oberleutnant posted:Less than a week before polling day and the exclusive UKMT poll suggests an unprecedented and overwhelming Labour majority. I'm quietly optimistic. Im concerned theres still time for a late surge in the Pissflaps vote.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:07
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Random Integer posted:Im concerned theres still time for a late surge in the Pissflaps vote. It worries me that Labour have not ruled out a deal with Flaps
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Jun 2, 2017 23:08
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El Grillo posted:With the nuclear thing, isn't the obvious answer to literally just point out that if we got to that stage we'd all be dead anyway, so the only relevant thing to discuss is how not to get to that point... Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. The thing people aren't realising is how much of a get-out against voting for him Corbyn just served up. All those people possibly considering Labour because their kids are eloquently arguing for him? loving lost, because 'got to keep my family safe, they'll understand one day' just overwrote housing, living standards, secure employment and every other, actually relevant, issue that their children will have to face. 100% truth here, late afternoon today I went out with my dad and my dog to a corner where local Labour people met us and we went canvassing for a few hours and I feel like a mug for doing it if Corbs is going to throw the loving election like that. How dare he take the position of the one person who can stop May and pull that shite.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They already exist, but they do require a small explosive charge so maybe aren't great for hand-holding. ??? or a commonly used flash for a camera. d cell, pop. i prefer a ultraviolet laser wand myself
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Jun 2, 2017 23:09
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OwlFancier posted:Mm, I'm irritated at the lost opportunity to show some actually important policies but hopefully that can be regained later on, a lost opportunity is better than an actively harmful one. If you don't see how that display was actively harmful then lol
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Jun 2, 2017 23:10
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Vitamin P posted:Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. I think you're being extremely stupid with this post.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:11
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lot of catastrophising itt anybody swung by corbyn's policy on nuclear genocide was already swung long ago all the smears on defence, terror and nukes have already been battered into the ground a year or so back meanwhile, may's wounds are still freshly opened and the press smells that blood, whatever they publish on corbyn will just be warmed-over reiterations of old attacks
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Jun 2, 2017 23:12
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crispix posted:Who is the other Alliance/Irish non sectarian voter? Persumably someone who lives in east or south belfast
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Jun 2, 2017 23:13
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Vitamin P posted:Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. You are being hysterical. It's times like this I like to play Zelda: Tales of Wind of Walkerwindy Wakes on my ninty: SWITCH Freedom to have fun. Wherever. Whenever.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:14
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I'm sitting here with food poisoning and all I can think about is this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbDKsNsjac Except that version cuts out a bit early. Point of it is, MAD doesn't work because it's an insane prospect and even if all the world leaders were insane they'd be far more likely to press all the buttons than to go along with the script of worrying about the rest pushing buttons when they do. Verizian fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Jun 2, 2017 23:14
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crispix posted:They post about us on other forums. I'm being serious :/ What other forums?
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Jun 2, 2017 23:14
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Vitamin P posted:Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. Corbyn isn't where he is and Labour aren't polling so well because they're willing to say and do anything to grab a poll point; they're there because Corbyn forced them to do the opposite of that. If you feel a retaliatory strike is a good idea then that's different but saying that the PM should lie to the public about what they'd do in a serious (although extremely unlikely hypothetical) situation is bad on so many levels. He didn't do anything wrong, he just ran up against our stupid countries awful attitude about nuclear weapons and militarism.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:15
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The main point of a deterrent is that sometimes violence and the threat of violence, while unpleasant and detrimental to society, is necessary to prevent even worse things from happening. For example, if the BBC had ignored what Clarkson did and just let him go around with the constant threat of him being free to punch people, it's highly likely that Morgan would have gone into hiding.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:16
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Vitamin P posted:Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. I think you might be exaggerating a bit if you think the election swung on his answer to that question. Am I disappointed he didn't answer it better? Sure, but I also know there's no way on Earth I could go up against an audience that hostile on national TV and not have a full-on breakdown, so I'm willing to cut him a little bit of slack. Personally I thought after the Trident section he could easily have gone to pieces, but he pulled it back rather well.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:17
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It's ok to think Corbyn should put principles before giving a satisfactory answer about the use of nuclear weapons, but understand that this is part of the reason why he won't become prime minister. You can't have it both ways.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:18
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Guavanaut posted:The main point of a deterrent is that sometimes violence and the threat of violence, while unpleasant and detrimental to society, is necessary to prevent even worse things from happening. EDIT - Actually, it doesn't matter. Silly line of reasoning on my part.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:19
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jabby posted:Am I disappointed he didn't answer it better? Sure, but I also know there's no way on Earth I could go up against an audience that hostile on national TV and not have a full-on breakdown, so I'm willing to cut him a little bit of slack. Personally I thought after the Trident section he could easily have gone to pieces, but he pulled it back rather well. The audience wasn't hostile until he hosed up. The first half he was absolutely fantastic .
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Jun 2, 2017 23:19
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Snipee posted:What other forums? Gbs hates the whole of D&D and the weird SASS offspring sites no doubt have a good alt-reich chuckle at our silly childish socialism. Not sure why we should care. They talk about us because they're assholes much like what was in that audience. Pissflaps posted:It's ok to think Corbyn should put principles before giving a satisfactory answer about the use of nuclear weapons, but understand that this is part of the reason why he won't become prime minister. If you're right we've already lost. We can't have good leaders because being good prevents you from being the PM.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:19
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Pesmerga posted:Every single journalist giving the trite 'the winners tonight were the audience, who are lovely and wonderful and amazing' need to be taken outside and given a good hard crispix posted:Who is the other Alliance/Irish non sectarian voter? Was considering it, but went with Nats instead. If I was still there I'd want to try and save are wee country from the shite that is England and Wales.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:20
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No, I believe that Jeremy Clarkson punched Piers Morgan in the face once and if he was more worried about that happening more often then maybe he'd stop saying stupid poo poo.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:20
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Vitamin P posted:The audience wasn't hostile until he hosed up. The first half he was absolutely fantastic . I have a suspicion that people obsessed with nuking other countries and not satisfied with an unwillingness to do so might be hostile to noted nuke-averse Jeremy Corbyn.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:21
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Pissflaps posted:It's ok to think Corbyn should put principles before giving a satisfactory answer about the use of nuclear weapons, but understand that this is part of the reason why he won't become prime minister. Agreeing with Pissflaps which is always a bit weird. Same logic with Tim Farron and homosexuality really; they believe something really at odds with public opinion and they get major flak for it. Difference of their objections is Jeremy isn't going to kill millions and Tim is denying humans the freedom to be happy.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:22
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I guess it makes sense that most British people are constantly imagining the country being destroyed. It's a shame they won't make the connection between their nihilism and the Tories making their life poo poo.namesake posted:Agreeing with Pissflaps which is always a bit weird. I think he's right to. But he's right about a thing that just makes everything ultimately pointless. Politics is just going to be liars lying forever.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:22
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Regarde Aduck posted:Gbs hates the whole of D&D and the weird SASS offspring sites no doubt have a good alt-reich chuckle at our silly childish socialism. Not sure why we should care. They talk about us because they're assholes much like what was in that audience.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:24
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Guavanaut posted:No, I believe that Jeremy Clarkson punched Piers Morgan in the face once and if he was more worried about that happening more often then maybe he'd stop saying stupid poo poo. I concur. We should probably encourage an increase in nuclear proliferation in that example. By that I mean we should allow more people to punch him in the face.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:25
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OwlFancier posted:I have a suspicion that people obsessed with nuking other countries and not satisfied with an unwillingness to do so might be hostile to noted nuke-averse Jeremy Corbyn. For the first half he was eloquent, passionate and on a whole other level than May in terms of the depth, specificity and nuance of his answers. Even if someone was hostile they weren't able to express it because he had the room onside and the questions were flowing so smoothly. Then he hosed it up.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:25
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learnincurve posted:Errr she knows nothing about learning disabilities, a lot of them can be picked up at baby checks. How will school training help that? Im late as hell but I can answer this. Baby checks/one-stop checks can (mostly) only pick up those caused by a genetic disorder. A learning disability is (medically) characterised by 1. IQ below 70 2. Causing delays in development 3. Diagnosed before age 18. And this is before bringing in learning difficulties such as autism or add into the mix Schools need training in order to both identify potential learning difficulties/disabilities (this information could then be used to aid diagnosis), as well as training in order to best support equality of access to mainstream education
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Jun 2, 2017 23:26
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Vitamin P posted:For the first half he was eloquent, passionate and on a whole other level than May in terms of the depth, specificity and nuance of his answers. Even if someone was hostile they weren't able to express it because he had the room onside and the questions were flowing so smoothly. I did say I would prefer him to categorically and bluntly state that he wouldn't nuke anybody but I suspect you wouldn't be any happier with that answer 
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Vitamin P posted:Mutually assured destruction is a thing people understand and people don't like to be told, by a man wanting to be their leader, that 'we loving die and the fucks that killed get off scott free lol' is in any way a plan. anyone who uses nukes on a NATO state is going to immediately invite world armageddon anyway, the UK not doing it personally isn't going to stop the US ending the world in hellfire over it
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