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FizFashizzle posted:There's nothing like German communists for everyone to "lesser of two evils" over, the nazis haven't stacked the courts, there's nothing like the stabbed in the back myth rallying former soldiers, etc Also the entire intelligence apparatus loving hates Trump and is actively working to undermine him. Don't forget that part.
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Also the nazis were some pointless rump party until massive miscalculations by the ruling class as well as a complete breakdown of social institutions allowed the nazis to sweep in and take over everything overnight. Trump has been stepping on rakes since he got to D.C. and is likely to be impeached. The courts have uniformly told him to go gently caress himself. Even poo poo like pulling out of Paris, as embarrassing as it is, is really an empty gesture as the economy is moving that way anyway. ICE is probably going to have to be dealt with but unlike with the nazis trump won't be doing that himself.
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FizFashizzle posted:Also the nazis were some pointless rump party until massive miscalculations by the ruling class as well as a complete breakdown of social institutions allowed the nazis to sweep in and take over everything overnight. Big business openly backed and funded Hitler and the Nazi party as well because they were terrified of the Communists.
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Hellblazer187 posted:The problem with this discussion is that Ginos is only a thing in NH, MA, and CT, so most people reading this won't know what we're talking about. You already saw two posters thinking it was just a cutesy name you were giving to Papa Johns (which is, actually, trash). But you do me a big favor by saying your favorite pizza is Costco. Now anyone reading can judge the relative merits of our taste by comparison to Costco. I didn't say my favorite pizza is costco, the question was what's the best chain pizza, and costco fits that bill. Papa Gino's is unfit to be used as worm food, let alone people food. Super floppy, soaked in grease pizza isn't a good thing friendo Never ate at dangelos. There's enough good sub shops locally that I don't have to bother with lovely chain stores like subway or dangelos. My favorite pizza place is run by a Pakistani dude and a Mexican dude. They make some crazy pizzas and it's beautiful. My favorite that they make, though it will make you hate yourself after eating it, is their Texas cowboy pizza: steak tips, bacon, grilled chicken, extra cheese, topped with barbecue sauce. Super good. catspleen posted:Just saw this link shared on FB.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Big business openly backed and funded Hitler and the Nazi party as well because they were terrified of the Communists. Yeah there's just no real comparison. Like i know people are getting punched and bloodied up at these rallies but they should really look into what poo poo was like in Berlin or Paris in the early thirties.
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Covok posted:http://www.npr.org/2017/06/03/531088285/trump-s-approval-rate-decline-is-nothing-compared-to-other-presidents gently caress npr, dipshits are trying to save their jobs by fluffing trump
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I don't even think a reichstag moment is possible. Like what would have to happen to compare? The surveillance state makes a false flag pretty impossible. 9/11 style events verge into tom Clancy territory pretty quick. We're probably just stuck with low level terrorist attacks alternating with increasingly violent white supremacists attacks committed by lone wolves for reasons we can never fully understand.
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That protester story is certainly shocking on it's face, but I wonder how many of those charges are tacked on (even though they know they couldn't convict) as leverage against the cases they filed against the police. It would be interesting to know what the 80 or so people who took plea deals ended up with.
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You have bad taste.Captain Invictus posted:Texas cowboy pizza: I rest my case.
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Eltoasto posted:That protester story is certainly shocking on it's face, but I wonder how many of those charges are tacked on (even though they know they couldn't convict) as leverage against the cases they filed against the police. It would be interesting to know what the 80 or so people who took plea deals ended up with. yeah but none of them should spend a second in jail.
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I know it can be irritating to watch some people freak out about the "new Hitler", but its not exactly bad for people to be on the lookout for that sort of thing. And although "nazism" may not really be possible in modern America, a new weird form of authoritariansm just as awful may still come from this.
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Eltoasto posted:That protester story is certainly shocking on it's face, but I wonder how many of those charges are tacked on (even though they know they couldn't convict) as leverage against the cases they filed against the police. It would be interesting to know what the 80 or so people who took plea deals ended up with. Another factor is Police were kettling the protesters they arrested and charged with rioting.
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FizFashizzle posted:I don't even think a reichstag moment is possible. Like what would have to happen to compare? Actually we know a lot about terrorists of all stripes, and politically they are remarkably similar throughout the world. This extends all the way to some white supremacist hillbillies openly claiming they have common cause with Al Qaeda. Luckily, white supremacists are so paranoid that they do not trust even one another, and every group is a separate cult of personality (rarely of ideology) that does not tolerate competitors. The FBI does a lot of work monitoring white supremacists, but I feel like if it was made a policy priority we could put an end to them, in much the same way that we now appear to have no U.S.-based terror "cells." It would take a 9/11-scale atrocity for this to happen, however.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:I know it can be irritating to watch some people freak out about the "new Hitler", but its not exactly bad for people to be on the lookout for that sort of thing. Well the same argument against bush applies here; if it really does come people will be desensitized. Of course now we have trump and I don't know if he's worse than w yet but it's only been three months. I mean from a political perspective it's useful if it mobilizes the left but this is a discussion forum and there's plenty of room to point out that no trump is not in fact the fourth Reich. He's an incompetent huckster who had a billion things go right and is now spectacularly failing in a manner not seen since guy de lusignon marched his army into the desert to fight Saladin.
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Hellblazer187 posted:You have bad taste. 
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dont even fink about it posted:Actually we know a lot about terrorists of all stripes, and politically they are remarkably similar throughout the world. It was more a comment on how white nationalists are never called terrorists.
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FizFashizzle posted:It was more a comment on how white nationalists are never called terrorists.
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FizFashizzle posted:I don't even think a reichstag moment is possible. Like what would have to happen to compare? With how many people are dropping out of serveral high end positions and how many remaining are getting pulled into the investigation, i fully expect them to skip the Reichstag moment needed and go straight in panic mode doing literally everything they can and can't get away with to keep control, hoping the GOP is too Implicated at that point to stand up to them. For the record, i don't think it will work.
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A reichstag fire moment isn't really possible in this day and age. Too many people with too many ways to capture video and audio, to trace perpetrators of attacks, etc mean a massive attack would reflect badly on the administration for allowing it to happen. They may try to deflect it saying the investigation is hampering them, but I don't think that'd hold much water with how unpopular trump's administration is these days.
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Trump is going to hold a rally to commemorate his flipping the bird to France and saving of America from the scourge of climate-positive alliances and economic activity. Naturally, he's going to hold it in a place named after the most important and popular Frenchman in US history.
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I keep saying this and I am confident I will be vindicated: the whole tea party wave, some GOP old guards, McConnell and ryan are full of Russian money and are waiting for the shoe to drop. You don't even need them to have known they were taking it: he fact that Russians did it and can prove it would be enough to influence. It fits perfectly with their behaviors all over Europe, and when that dam finally breaks, it'll be Nixon squared or something.
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Captain Invictus posted:A reichstag fire moment isn't really possible in this day and age. Too many people with too many ways to capture video and audio, to trace perpetrators of attacks, etc mean a massive attack would reflect badly on the administration for allowing it to happen. They may try to deflect it saying the investigation is hampering them, but I don't think that'd hold much water with how unpopular trump's administration is these days. the reichstag fire was probably set by the guy they blamed it on. it's that they capitalized on it for a crackdown.
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Tengames posted:With how many people are dropping out of serveral high end positions and how many remaining are getting pulled into the investigation, i fully expect them to skip the Reichstag moment needed and go straight in panic mode doing literally everything they can and can't get away with to keep control, hoping the GOP is too Implicated at that point to stand up to them. They're not organized enough to have a cohesive strategy, least of all in their death throes.
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FizFashizzle posted:I keep saying this and I am confident I will be vindicated: the whole tea party wave, some GOP old guards, McConnell and ryan are full of Russian money and are waiting for the shoe to drop. It's why they're trying to checkmate the country so hard. They need to win, decisively, in such a way that Democracy ends and they stay in power indefinitely. I realize this comes off as hyperbole, but I don't see many other ways to interpret this situation. They don't expect 2018 elections to be free or fair, and expect to continue winning through voter suppression etc.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the reichstag fire was probably set by the guy they blamed it on. it's that they capitalized on it for a crackdown. Oh I wasn't necessarily saying it'd be exactly the same, but more a political group capitalizing on fear to make sweeping changes
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Could you imagine some antifa sneaking into congress and burning it down? Only way a fire is started now is if Duncan hunters vaping rig blows up in congress, or his office Alienware overheats.
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The GOP will totally do whatever it takes to keep in power. We already know this from what happened in North Carolina. They will totally go full fascism now in order to oppress browns and poors and gays and make more money.
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https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056260417933312 https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056582037188608 https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871057153842458625 
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haveblue posted:Trump is going to hold a rally to commemorate his flipping the bird to France and saving of America from the scourge of climate-positive alliances and economic activity. can they stop loving the rotting corpse of satire.
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Spaced God posted:The GOP will totally do whatever it takes to keep in power. We already know this from what happened in North Carolina. They will totally go full fascism now in order to oppress browns and poors and gays and make more money. Full Fascism Now would be one thing, they're having a hard time with Reagan economic policy/Thatcherism.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056260417933312 LOL I guess it must be sponsored content.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056260417933312 Wow. That is some lazy-rear end work. I thought NYT was supposed to be the good one
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056260417933312 (ﾉ∀`)ｱﾁｬｰ Yes I have evidence that small business owners love trump, let me introduce you to mr smith *puts on fake mustache* hello I am Mr. Smith!!! Thank you pissbaby president man
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/871056260417933312 Jesus Christ that's pathetic.
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FizFashizzle posted:The nazi high command was impossibly incompetent and its one of the more bizarre accidents of history that they became as significant as they did. Eh, militarily, I'd agree. But in terms of propaganda, not getting led around by the nose by Congress, and covering poo poo up, the Nazis were pretty drat effective. Trumpkins? Not so much. e: oops, a little late on that reply, apologies. Majorian fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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haveblue posted:Trump is going to hold a rally to commemorate his flipping the bird to France and saving of America from the scourge of climate-positive alliances and economic activity. And just like Lafayette the french despise him.
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Tir McDohl posted:It's why they're trying to checkmate the country so hard. They need to win, decisively, in such a way that Democracy ends and they stay in power indefinitely. Voter suppression so far seems born out of desperation to keep power, not to expand it. The trick barely works on a national level.
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