TheRat posted:

This is a really weird combination:
https://twitter.com/MattTurner4L/status/871059260490362884

Spangly A posted:

it's not Gunningham?

ronya posted:

how so? The EC explicitly warned GiveYourVote for this. The relevant bit of legislation goes

quote:

communicate at any time to any person any information obtained in a polling station as to the candidate for whom a voter in that station is about to vote or has voted,

It doesn't have to be someone else

Pochoclo posted:

Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort?

I mean, I'm sorry if I come across as excessive or whatever, I just was involved in the development of very secure software before and this is like a cardinal sin to me.

c0burn posted:

Take a look at @D_Raval's Tweet: https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/870973372078981121?s=09

c0burn posted:

Take a look at @D_Raval's Tweet: https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/870973372078981121?s=09

TheRat posted:

Hoops posted:

What's with the "BBC presenter tries to..." angle? The tweet comes off like it's celebrating Paul Mason winning an argument, but a) she was quoting what Amber Rudd as a discursive point, it didn't seem to me like she was pushing any agenda at all, and b) Paul Mason was a BBC journalist for like 10 years, he only moved to Channel 4 a few years ago.

Hoops posted:

What's with the "BBC presenter tries to..." angle? The tweet comes off like it's celebrating Paul Mason winning an argument, but a) she was quoting what Amber Rudd as a discursive point, it didn't seem to me like she was pushing any agenda at all, and b) Paul Mason was a BBC journalist for like 10 years, he only moved to Channel 4 a few years ago.

Kurtofan posted:

angler angling for angle

Hoops posted:

What's with the "BBC presenter tries to..." angle? The tweet comes off like it's celebrating Paul Mason winning an argument, but a) she was quoting what Amber Rudd as a discursive point, it didn't seem to me like she was pushing any agenda at all, and b) Paul Mason was a BBC journalist for like 10 years, he only moved to Channel 4 a few years ago.

Hoops posted:

Two professional journalists, not party politicians, who were almost certainly colleagues for years, on a discussion panel, going over party claims, during election season. That's how these conversations work. Anyone who reads that as the renegade Mason owning the biased MSM doesn't understand what they're looking at.

Spangly A posted:

it's bollocks

impartial journalists should not only be able but be required to not present utter bollocks as a legitimate point


you're right on this tho

Hoops posted:

Two professional journalists, not party politicians, who were almost certainly colleagues for years, on a discussion panel, going over party claims, during election season. That's how these conversations work. Anyone who reads that as the renegade Mason owning the biased MSM doesn't understand what they're looking at.

quote:

I have repeatedly warned the Labour left that, though our economic programme feels fairly moderate to us, to our adversaries, it feels revolutionary. They will treat us as revolutionaries. And that’s what’s happening

To support Corbyn’s Labour is to open yourself up to accusations of supporting terror, threatening national security, advocating communism and sabotaging “the will of the people”.

Screeching mainstream commentators now say this openly — such as the former Bank of England economist Andrew Lilico, who tweeted that if 38% of Brits even support Labour in the polls then we “do not deserve democracy”.

My advice was always: do the left economic programme first and forget any systemic challenge to the military, diplomatic and security status quo; the economic programme it is radical enough, and resistance to it will be so strong that it will take an entire 5 year parliament to enact.

That’s what Alexis Tsipras understood in Greece, when he removed all the criticism of NATO from Syriza’s programme, refused to dismantle key parts of the Greek secret state, refused to take on the Orthodox Church.

If you are going to dismantle the economic power of the elite, do not simultanteously try to disrupt their institutional, diplomatic and geostrategic certainties. In fact, the Greek experience shows that — in order to effect strategic economic change — the left has to align itself with parts of the national story and take parts of that apparartus with it.

The problem is, for large numbers of radical young people — including left nationalists in Scotland, Greens and people in Momentum — dismantling Britain’s ability to repeat Iraq and Afghanistan, and repress protest movements and stigmatise minorities, is what they came into politics to do. And so did those most closely identified with Corbyn.

So we go into this final week as the classic British motley army Shakespeare wrote about in Henry V. Traditional Labour centrists, prodded out of their sulk by the sudden realisation we have momentum and hope; Greens lending us their vote; the Guardian’s metropolitan liberals grudgingly accepting that a form of radicalism can work. The bright techocrats of Momentum, trained in horizontal activism. Northern working class bruisers, male and female, from the PLP; Welsh Labour, determined to do it their own way; plus a regiment of new converts who don’t fit into any existing category of the left. Moving through us on the eve of battle with zen-like calm, is the white-bearded, snaggle-toothed MP for Islington.

And the battle is coming.

The elite and the billionaire owned media will throw every dirty trick and smear at us for five days. If you have only understood politics as a kind of ping-pong game with a known set of rules, get set to be shocked. All we have on our side is momentum, hope and the massive voter registration of young people that just happened.

If we win the elite will say “WTF just happened?”. So will we.

But here’s the point. If we lose, we will do so possessing all the momentum in British politics. I’m told it’s certain May will be replaced within a year — but who by? There’s scant appetite in the Tories for austerity. They’ve understood the deep positive reaction to Labour’s break with austerity.

That the Tory party drops austerity is likely; but whether it can kick the habit of economic nationalism and xenophobia is a different question. Given the influx of ex-UKIP types, the Tories will probably emerge from a post-May leadership battle as a conservative English nationalist formation.

The only certainty is: win or lose, Labour must become a more democratic party. We’ve had to fight this election with MPs we could not choose. The HQ remains an unwilling participant in the Corbyn project, as does much of the regional apparatus.

The single most valuable weapon in the whole campaign — the manifesto — was a product of party democracy. The second most valuable thing — the leader — was a product of democracy. Yet beyond that there is no democracy.

To find a better way to fit the Labour Party’s different factions and intellectual traditions — this too needs a deeper democracy, so that all can feel they have ownership of the strategy, tactics, slogans and priorities. Democracy means above all stopping the PLP from blocking left candidates in future; having the right to re-select MPs, and ending the system of ad-hoc bans, suspensions and time limits that are strangling opposition to the HQ bureaucracy.

OwlFancier posted:

I was really confused because I was sure that Paul Mason was a chode.

But apparently he's cool?

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/J_Oblong/status/871060344432734208

Hoops posted:

He's a proper burn-it-all-down pinko. Why did you think he was a chode?

I'm reading his wiki now and I'm more surprised that he's 57

Hoops posted:

Two professional journalists, not party politicians, who were almost certainly colleagues for years, on a discussion panel, going over party claims, during election season. That's how these conversations work. Anyone who reads that as the renegade Mason owning the biased MSM doesn't understand what they're looking at.

OwlFancier posted:

I was really confused because I was sure that Paul Mason was a chode.

But apparently he's cool?

Liu posted:

do yourselves a favour and never read the comments on bbc news articles

Liu posted:

never read the comments on bbc news articles anything

dispatch_async posted:

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/870962878727278592

Liu posted:

do yourselves a favour and never read the comments on bbc news articles

OwlFancier posted:

I thought he was one of the lousy journos that spent all their time whingeing about how we can't possibly tax people and pay for things with it because the free market is the answer to everything.

I must have his name confused with someone else.

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/870715016785272832

Seems like gatecrashing Tory interviews to ask them why they won't debate is becoming a favourite Labour tactic.

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/870715016785272832

Seems like gatecrashing Tory interviews to ask them why they won't debate is becoming a favourite Labour tactic.