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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pissflaps posted:I reckon YouGov's poll tonight will be labour and torys neck and neck. Would be nice. The ComRes poll being the same as last week is a little worrying.
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The reality is extreme leftist revolutionary policies involving taking on the established vested elite has never ever loving worked and always made things worse for everyone involved; from China to the USSR to Brazil to Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba and beyond. The few that have succeeded (although you could debate what you call "success") like Ecuador and Greece were very careful to avoid pissing off all the most powerful people. In most cases like Greece, they actually didn't do anything at all. Whether you like that reality or not on a ideological or moral basis doesn't make it any less different. It can be argued and analyzed that Corbyn's peacenik Iraq War opposition mode is outdated and doesn't have a far reach beyond Britain. In the US even the most leftist politicians like Bernie Sanders never considered never intervening in the middle east again or shutting down the CIA or NSA. Those kind of ideas seem to share more with the ideology of Trump's America First and isolationism than with modern leftist thinking. A extreme overreaction to several events. Anyone who is leftist and really wants to reduce the power of the elites has to at the very least convince a good group of those elites to give up power, or be facing a emergency so great that it rocks the very foundations of those elites powers; like World War 1, The Great Depression or potentially the Great Recession. In reality there is a good reason idealistic youth should not run a country. ISeeCuckedPeople fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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jBrereton posted:But Is YouGov's Poll Accurate? Impossible to know until Friday morning but my gut says no.
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jBrereton posted:But Is YouGov's Poll Accurate? I don't think it will bear much similarity to the final result.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The reality is extreme leftist revolutionary policies involving taking on the established vested elite has never ever loving worked and always made things worse for everyone involved; from China to the USSR to Brazil to Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba and beyond. The few that have succeeded (although you could debate what you call "success") like Ecuador and Greece were very careful to avoid pissing off all the most powerful people. In most cases like Greece, they actually didn't do anything at all. I burnt my eyeballs reading this take, it's that scorching. "Taking on established vested elites has never worked" OK buddy.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The reality is extreme leftist revolutionary policies involving taking on the established vested elite has never ever loving worked and always made things worse for everyone involved; from China to the USSR to Brazil to Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba and beyond.
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it's essays like that which doom their authors to being roundly bashed for being insufficiently revolutionary once they stumble at the ballot box
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forkboy84 posted:I burnt my eyeballs reading this take, it's that scorching. "Taking on established vested elites has never worked" OK buddy. It depends on what you define as "worked." The goal of any politician should be to improve the lives and situations of everyone. Period.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The reality is extreme leftist revolutionary policies involving taking on the established vested elite has never ever loving worked and always made things worse for everyone involved; from China to the USSR to Brazil to Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba and beyond. the reality is you are woefully undereducated on the issue and your hot take is worthless thanks
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Went canvassing again today, there were loads more us than anticipated so I volunteered to go with some vets into more tory-ish areas and jesus christ. Highlight was an old man calling me a nazi when he saw the Labour sticker.
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I'm more into Wanker Kombat. https://twitter.com/dandouglas/status/870967932347711488 Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Wheres the posh asian guy? This is Old White People Edition not Nuke Edition.
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Spangly A posted:the reality is you are woefully undereducated on the issue and your hot take is worthless thanks I am quite well educated on the issue I grew up in South America in a country in the middle of a civil war between right wing deathsquads and communist guerrilas and one of the most complex political scenes on earth. People who have power do not just give it up willingly. And they will do anything to keep it. And those patterns of power re-emerge in any form of government. ISeeCuckedPeople fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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ronya posted:it's essays like that which doom their authors to being roundly bashed for being insufficiently revolutionary once they stumble at the ballot box Mason's hardly going to have any politically naive disaffecteds rounding him up imo, I think the bloodbath would occur if Labour actually win, which would lead to one hell of a What Now problem for campaigners. ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I am quiet well educated on the issue I grew up in South America in a country in the middle of a civil war between right wing deathsquads and communist guerrilas and one of the most complex political scenes on earth. If your argument is "everything everywhere is poo poo now" and you think this is somehow condemning of leftist politics and the history of their governments then lol
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Vitamin P posted:Went canvassing again today, there were loads more us than anticipated so I volunteered to go with some vets into more tory-ish areas and jesus christ. Did he threaten to nuke you too?
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:It depends on what you define as "worked." Nah, it should be the goal of a politician to protect workers from predatory employers, protect the ill from predatory "health" companies, protect commuters from predatory transport companies, & generally to protect humanity from the ravages of the free market by ensuring it is overthrown. See, I can transpose my politics on politicians too. Saying what the ideal politician should do is worthless because ideal politicians don't work. If they did, we'd not need governments. ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I am quite well educated on the issue I grew up in South America in a country in the middle of a civil war between right wing deathsquads and communist guerrilas and one of the most complex political scenes on earth. Nihilism is a worthless contribution to politics. Seriously, if all you have to contribute is everything is loving poo poo so suck it up then gently caress off. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 20:42
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what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats?
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Spangly A posted:Mason's hardly going to have any politically naive disaffecteds rounding him up imo, I think the bloodbath would occur if Labour actually win, which would lead to one hell of a What Now problem for campaigners. That's not my argument. My argument is that extreme forms of leftism cause tension, possibly war, and make things worse for everyone. You only have to look at Venezuela, which was historically one of the richest countries on earth and now people are dying in the streets. My argument is that you need to work with those in power to obtain any kind of success, and until you are willing to do that the left will fail again and again at their goals. But please - guide me to the amazing extremely leftist countries that have improved the livelihoods of everyone in them.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/870715016785272832 "don't be a pillock" truer words were never spoken
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jBrereton posted:what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats? 400 just for added British Stupidness
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it's really not that extreme tbh
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jBrereton posted:what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats? A high guess, but not an implausible one. Depends how the vote balances filter through the mad sorcery of FPTP.
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jBrereton posted:what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats? 80 seat Tory majority.
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Lol implying that Corbyn represents any sort of extreme or revolutionary leftism as opposed to fairly milquetoast democratic socialism
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Wait, is one of Corbyns policies actually to dismantle parts of mi5/6? I don't recall anything about either of them but I've not dug too deep into Corbyns positions on the intelligence community.
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Jun 3, 2017 20:49
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Good news poll fans https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871090909114490881
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Survation almost neck and neck https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871090909114490881
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jBrereton posted:what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats? exact same number but huge change of MP's
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Raeg posted:Good news poll fans ukipmentum
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jBrereton posted:what do we reckon, then, 370 tory seats? I'm cynical as gently caress, 350. I said 100 seat majority when she called it though, so at least I'm marginally less cynical now.
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Never underestimate the stupidity of British People.Pissflaps posted:Survation almost neck and neck So 420 Tory seats then.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:That's not my argument. My argument is that extreme forms of leftism cause tension, possibly war, and make things worse for everyone. You only have to look at Venezuela, which was historically one of the richest countries on earth and now people are dying in the streets. That something doesn't exist doesn't mean it cannot exist. You're the twat in the 1400s whining that poo poo is terrible but that's the lot of a peasant and look at those horrible peasant revolts to see how they ended, better to just suck up the drudgery and the poverty and the short lifespan. Besides, you seem to have missed the point of the extreme left, the aim isn't to improve the livelihood of everyone, the aim is to improve the livelihood of the overwhelming majority. Of course, none of this has anything to do with Britain in TYOOL 2017 so gently caress knows what you're going on about this for.
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is tintower still posting and the #libdemfightback is so embarrassing shes just not posting here or what?
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Pissflaps posted:80 seat Tory majority.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I am quite well educated on the issue I grew up in South America in a country in the middle of a civil war between right wing deathsquads and communist guerrilas and one of the most complex political scenes on earth. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that because of what happened with the FARC in Colombia, that any form of left-wing government is doomed to failure, man. That's a bit of a stretch. Also, hi5 compadre sudaca.
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Extreme0 posted:Never underestimate the stupidity of British People. Don't be ridiculous, this shift to Labour is being seen in multiple polls, fairly consistently. It'll be 500 Tory seats.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:That's not my argument. My argument is that extreme forms of leftism cause tension, possibly war, and make things worse for everyone. You only have to look at Venezuela, which was historically one of the richest countries on earth and now people are dying in the streets. Venezuala's problem is not leftism and you cannot in good faith acknowledge the complexity of south america wrt bourgeoise influence and then say "well oil got hosed and a recession happened, this was The Left". Who the gently caress do you think made the place wealthy? Venture capitalists? You only need to look at welfare standards and quality of life and notice the really loving extreme bent towards leftist influence, social democracy, welfare and marxist thought correlating with higher standards and, by those metrics, a better world. Murderous yanks don't somehow dismiss the nature of the fact they were poo poo scared because socialism was working and popular You have assumed a whole set of cultural and intellectual biases upon your audience when you expect them to "know what you mean". You haven't defined jack, you've cited the left as a source of political instability and not the inevitable result. You haven't given me terms to respond here; I just don't agree with you that socialism somehow causes wars and death camps. You're going to need a better argument for a lot of the thread, too. I'd say the leftist projects in Colombia, Venezuala and Chile alone, during their successes, demonstrate the inherent inclusive drive to provide a better world for all that is the nature of leftist thought. You might feel that "all the good ones got murdered and America'd" is a copout, I'm saying it's an effect produced by the inherent threat of socialism.
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Jose posted:is tintower still posting and the #libdemfightback is so embarrassing shes just not posting here or what? She's waiting for a gotcha to make the lib dems look good.
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Extreme0 posted:Never underestimate the stupidity of British People. Man, I heard skunk could gently caress you up, but not that hard.
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Jose posted:is tintower still posting and the #libdemfightback is so embarrassing shes just not posting here or what? Last Post Jun 3, 2017 02:28
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:That's not my argument. My argument is that extreme forms of leftism cause tension, possibly war, and make things worse for everyone. You only have to look at Venezuela, which was historically one of the richest countries on earth and now people are dying in the streets. Corbyn is not an extreme leftist, if thats even what you're on about
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