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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I am kind of interested why there was apparently a Sky News cameraman with an OB-capable setup on the scene apparently immediately after the event, and he's moved from just outside London bridge station down to St George's without actually seeing anything. A lot of news gathering now is a camera with a 4G bonding uplink thing clipped to the back of it.
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spud posted:All that matters is free stuff - A Tory, keen for more of their taxes to be cut
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Jun 3, 2017 23:59
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So yeah my brothers are currently in Vauxhall. I'm not getting many messages through because neither one of them has much battery left, but I repeat; what the gently caress?
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Jun 3, 2017 23:59
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I kind of wonder how frequent stuff has to get before people start treating it less like plane crashes and nuclear accidents, which are very rare but everyone's terrified of, to car crashes and heart disease, which are endemic but nobody gives a poo poo about.
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Jun 3, 2017 23:59
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Gorn Myson posted:So yeah my brothers are currently in Vauxhall. I'm not getting many messages through because neither one of them has much battery left, but I repeat; what the gently caress? No-one seems to know what's happening in Vauxhall yet. The media didn't even know until the Met linked it with the other events in their statement.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:01
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spectralent posted:I kind of wonder how frequent stuff has to get before people start treating it less like plane crashes and nuclear accidents, which are very rare but everyone's terrified of, to car crashes and heart disease, which are endemic but nobody gives a poo poo about. I dunno but Iraq will definitely give you a hell of a lot of data.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:01
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spectralent posted:I kind of wonder how frequent stuff has to get before people start treating it less like plane crashes and nuclear accidents, which are very rare but everyone's terrified of, to car crashes and heart disease, which are endemic but nobody gives a poo poo about. hang on and we'll find out
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Jun 4, 2017 00:02
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spectralent posted:I kind of wonder how frequent stuff has to get before people start treating it less like plane crashes and nuclear accidents, which are very rare but everyone's terrified of, to car crashes and heart disease, which are endemic but nobody gives a poo poo about. I dunno, but it's hard to see how the government can talk tough about cracking down on this sort of stuff when it's so blatantly impossible to stop. I guess they could use to revive the idea that we need to ban encryption and monitor everybody all the time. Realistically though it's fairly obvious you need to stop people wanting to do this sort of thing.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:03
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Oh, good, I was worried the Misery Gloating Maybe-We-Should-Just-Genocide Crew weren't going to make it. gently caress sake, you loving ghouls.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:03
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namesake posted:I dunno but Iraq will definitely give you a hell of a lot of data. I'm reminded of the article where a guy toured afghanistan asking for their perspectives on 9/11 and the war and most of the interviews went "We invaded you because you had a big terrorist attack" "Yeah those happen".
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Oh, good, I was worried the Misery Gloating Maybe-We-Should-Just-Genocide Crew weren't going to make it. it's just me so far but im sure the lads are on their way
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Jun 4, 2017 00:04
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jabby posted:I dunno, but it's hard to see how the government can talk tough about cracking down on this sort of stuff when it's so blatantly impossible to stop. I guess they could use to revive the idea that we need to ban encryption and monitor everybody all the time. Realistically though it's fairly obvious you need to stop people wanting to do this sort of thing. A ban on reporting the names of the attackers would probably help more than all the surveillance in the world. Leave aside all the questions about foreign policy and alienation, the psychology is basically identical to school shooters - they want their names to be immortal, and they now have a blueprint they can follow without ever having to communicate with anyone ever.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:06
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Gorn Myson posted:Both of my brothers were on the bridge and witnessed a large part of what happened. They're both okay and well away from the area, but what the gently caress. Had they been closer when these guys struck, I'd have lost both of them. Glad they're ok. Not a-loving-gain 
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Jun 4, 2017 00:06
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spectralent posted:I'm reminded of the article where a guy toured afghanistan asking for their perspectives on 9/11 and the war and most of the interviews went "We invaded you because you had a big terrorist attack" "Yeah those happen". Some of the people interviewed thought that the US were the Soviets come back for more.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:06
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goddamnedtwisto posted:A ban on reporting the names of the attackers would probably help more than all the surveillance in the world. Leave aside all the questions about foreign policy and alienation, the psychology is basically identical to school shooters - they want their names to be immortal, and they now have a blueprint they can follow without ever having to communicate with anyone ever. This would be a good move but would require doing anything to the press that stops them doing whatever the gently caress they want at any time so it's probably more likely we're just going to ban cars.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:06
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Just following up on my earlier musings, Southwark Bridge *is* closed.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:08
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Some of the people interviewed thought that the US were the Soviets come back for more. I remember the guy who'd said that invading Afghanistan was just how you showed the world you were proper 'ard. I mean, the British did, then the soviets did, now the US are top dog and they're doing it! I couldn't help but marvel at that.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:08
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goddamnedtwisto posted:A ban on reporting the names of the attackers would probably help more than all the surveillance in the world. Leave aside all the questions about foreign policy and alienation, the psychology is basically identical to school shooters - they want their names to be immortal, and they now have a blueprint they can follow without ever having to communicate with anyone ever. I'm not sure. Spree killers want that sort of thing, but for religious ideologues I'd imagine their intent would just be to kill and spread terror rather than achieve fame. Especially if they think they're reward will be in the next life.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:08
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The Run, Hide, Tell thing implies there might be a shooter in Vauxhall? There doesn't seem to be any information about that one yet.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:08
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goddamnedtwisto posted:A ban on reporting the names of the attackers would probably help more than all the surveillance in the world. Leave aside all the questions about foreign policy and alienation, the psychology is basically identical to school shooters - they want their names to be immortal, and they now have a blueprint they can follow without ever having to communicate with anyone ever. That's true for self-radicalizing disaffected youths without ideological motives, but it's unclear that it would help with disaffected self-radicalizing terrorists who will still be glorified by the people whose aims they're choosing to align themselves with, let alone people who are actually part of a network.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:08
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spectralent posted:This would be a good move but would require doing anything to the press that stops them doing whatever the gently caress they want at any time so it's probably more likely we're just going to ban cars. Tories in one-upping the green party shocker.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:09
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spectralent posted:I'm reminded of the article where a guy toured afghanistan asking for their perspectives on 9/11 and the war and most of the interviews went "We invaded you because you had a big terrorist attack" "Yeah those happen". And that man became the mayor of London
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Jun 4, 2017 00:09
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The Run, Hide, Tell thing implies there might be a shooter in Vauxhall? There doesn't seem to be any information about that one yet. Vauxhall station's just reopened. Maybe that one was unrelated?
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Jun 4, 2017 00:10
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quote:The BBC's Nick Quraishi at the scene says he is now able to corroborate earlier reports of gunshots being fired. I guess that explains the evacuations and huge cordons. E; people now being sent away by police with their hands on their heads.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:10
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jabby posted:I'm not sure. Spree killers want that sort of thing, but for religious ideologues I'd imagine their intent would just be to kill and spread terror rather than achieve fame. Especially if they think they're reward will be in the next life. A lot of recruitment materials use the media coverage as ways to show the kids they're trying to radicalise "you will matter" in a way that's more tangible than the promise of the next life. That's still the angle they push but the coverage is a huge gateway.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:10
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Sinteres posted:That's true for self-radicalizing disaffected youths without ideological motives, but it's unclear that it would help with disaffected self-radicalizing terrorists who will still be glorified by the people whose aims they're choosing to align themselves with, let alone people who are actually part of a network. I don't think it would hurt, and I don't see how spending three weeks digging into every last detail of their lives and splashing their faces on every medium exactly helps.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:12
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Skinty McEdger posted:A lot of recruitment materials use the media coverage as ways to show the kids they're trying to radicalise "you will matter" in a way that's more tangible than the promise of the next life. That's still the angle they push but the coverage is a huge gateway. Plus it's not like names and faces serve any purpose to report, it'd be a good idea imo.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:12
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blunt posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-4...4b05cda1b11496b The "people jumping out and stabbing people" thing was supposedly at Borough Market so who knows? I guess a thousand 999 calls from drunk people is going to make localising exactly what happened where a nightmare while things are still happening.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:14
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CottonWolf posted:Vauxhall station's just reopened. Maybe that one was unrelated? A lot of it is going to be the police treating it as the worst case scenario.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:15
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I don't think it would hurt, and I don't see how spending three weeks digging into every last detail of their lives and splashing their faces on every medium exactly helps. Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:15
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EvilHawk posted:A lot of it is going to be the police treating it as the worst case scenario. Yeah, you can't really blame them for being a bit jumpy.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:16
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Sinteres posted:Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand. its important, in this time of crisis and ideologically-driven murder, to remember who the real bad guys are: the other political party
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Jun 4, 2017 00:17
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CoolCab posted:Also, if I recall correctly YouGov provided the single poll that predicted a Yes win in the Scottish referendum, No, you don't recall correctly. The only polling company to ever predict a Yes win was Panelbase, in a poll paid for by the SNP. ICM and YouGov did put out two later polls that showed more Yes voters than No voters, but they used the undecideds as a third category while Panelbase excluded them completely to give a 51-49 result. ICM also showed Yes further ahead, 7% against YouGov's 2%.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:18
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Sinteres posted:Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand. Yes but as a far left terrorist loving socialist I think I have to automaticlly support anything that results in unpersoning people.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:18
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I guess 'Run, hide, tell' is the sort of short snappy advice you want to give in emergencies but it's hard to say that but also urge people to keep calm.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:18
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Sinteres posted:Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand. I mean, there are powers to prevent reporting on victims of crimes. It's not unprecedented; reporting is meant to serve some kind of public good, more than staring at car crashes.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:18
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namesake posted:I guess 'Run, hide, tell' is the sort of short snappy advice you want to give in emergencies but it's hard to say that but also urge people to keep calm. It's also vague as gently caress. Where counts as a place of safety?
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Jun 4, 2017 00:19
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Sinteres posted:Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand. I think a front page saying something like "we're not publishing photos of the perpetrators because we don't want to encourage others to follow in their footsteps" would be well enough received. The problem is getting all the editors to agree to that sort of policy.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:20
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Sinteres posted:Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand. Nah, nonsense. There's a difference between a media blackout & the media simply being much more careful about unintentionally glorifying these cunts. Who gives a poo poo if that makes some fash mad? Not as if they aren't just permanently looking for things to get mad at. chernobyl kinsman posted:its important, in this time of crisis and ideologically-driven murder, to remember who the real bad guys are: the other political party Christ you're dull.
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jabby posted:It's also vague as gently caress. Where counts as a place of safety? A state of mind. You know it when you feel it.
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