UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
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Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

Actually the parents are less likely to be radical and more likely to adapt to western values than the children.

The reason their children radicalize falls entirely on western and british culture for not accepting them as much, having grown up as a second generation immigrant I know that feeling first hand. Where you feel to South America to be American and if you go to South America, too American to be South American. So you have no place. No home. No place you can identify with fully. But someone you met online tells you you can be good and loyal to your identity, and change the world at the same time by being a good christian, and killing other people, to bring about the second coming of Christ.

Do you not see how this works?

If in that situation you decide to do what the internet man tells you and kill a bunch of people, you're a oval office

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TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Fog Tripper posted:

Honest question, on what grounds do you imagine they should be getting probations?

Cuntery of the highest order

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:20

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Namtab posted:

To be clear, on the international scale IS are a problem, and ignoring them is probably not going to be any more effective than our current strategy of brimstone missiles. I don't really have an answer.

A big part of their recruiting strategy is to get talking to disaffected youth, and spin them this story about the way Muslims are treated by the west and how the only way there can be real peace and respect is to establish an... Islamic state. So they give them an idealistic cause and a sense of being part of a movement for change, which is why you get people travelling to Syria with copies of Islam for Dummies and no idea of what they're in for

That's why engaging with those people is so important, give them a stake in society and stop contributing to the violence and hostility that recruiters point to and say 'see what they're doing to us?' And that's why you don't let terrorists push you to escalate that

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:21

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

PIGS BREXIT posted:

To be clear, do you guys actually believe that people read about the second coming of Jesus on the internet, and then decide to go do a terrorism to hasten it? And that there is no other influence or motivation for them that brings them to this point?

Is there like one super-convincing web page or something because if so we should definitely block it

edit: let's do it quick before more than 4 people have had a chance to read it

To be clear, individual people are radicalised by a variety of things. ISIS as a whole has a stated goal of trying to cause the apocalypse, which they probably honestly believe and use as a smokescreen for personal power and enrichment, depending on the given guy.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:21

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Fog Tripper posted:

Honest question, on what grounds do you imagine they should be getting probations?

Because a bunch of ignorant foreigners coming over here not knowing the first thing about how we do things here in civilization, and not integrating with our posting culture, cannot offer anything to our thread society and should be deported back to where they came from so that we can secure a future for civilized posters.

I am firmly of the opinion that they cannot be reasoned with and don't understand debate so really the only solution is force.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:21

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Wonder what this will mean for the early morning round of political interviews tomorrow.

I mean there's been no official word of campaigning being suspended, but it's certainly going to change the tone if they go ahead at all.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:22

ISeeCuckedPeople: Feb 7, 2017; by Smythe

90% of the time the people that come to the west from Islamic Countries or Mexico or South America do it because they hated those countries, the people ruling them, the work situation there, and what they represent.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:22

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Fog Tripper posted:

Honest question, on what grounds do you imagine they should be getting probations?

"Maybe it's time we started going after the families of these suspects and deporting them" and then doubling down on how the ignorant musselman can't integrate into enlightened western culture.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:23

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Guy Goodbody posted:

If in that situation you decide to do what the internet man tells you and kill a bunch of people, you're a oval office

I think I should just tape up "Explanations of why things happen aren't personal endorsements of their efficacy or goodness", somewhere.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:24

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

90% of the time the people that come to the west from Islamic Countries or Mexico or South America do it because they hated those countries, the people ruling them, the work situation there, and what they represent.

Mexico and South America: Not The West.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:24

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

The answer in the west at the very least is to form task force organizations that specifically target youth and young people at risk to being radicalized for cultural inclusion and guidance.

These group are going to have to be religious in nature to be effective. And they are going to need ample funding.

There is unfortunately nothing like that out there.

I actually think the U.K. is ahead of everyone else here in counter-radicalization programs. Which is not to say there aren't any problems with U.K. strategies, but the situation could be a lot worse. Like others have pointed out with Manchester dude, the community and family members were calling the government. (That's encouraging!) It was the government failing to step in.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:24

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Lord_Adonis posted:

I could be wrong, but in my albeit limited historical understanding, I do not know of a state that could sustain a multi-generational war via the total mobilisation of its society and economy. Eventually, with no prospect of victory and complete international isolation, an inevitable choice has to be made between total societal collapse and negotiation that permits an end to the unsustainable total mobilisation.

You're making the mistake of assuming that they're rational actors.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:24

SickZip: Jul 29, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

We had a radicalized 20-something NeoNazi stab two people on public transportation because they defended a muslim a week or two ago. It's all loving connected.

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

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# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:25

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Maybe it's time to start going after the families of these suspects and deport them

To where? Many of them are British.

namesake posted:

Reading beyond the graph that seems to be entirely due to the Tories and Labour keeping a cap on child tax credits and Lib Dems saying they'd get rid of it. Absolutely amazing that it has such an inpact.

Labour are using that money to fund public services though (which aren't included in that graph obviously) so if there was some sort of net spending graph Labour would be a lot closer to the Lib Dems.

Thank you for delving more deeply

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:25

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Namtab posted:

"Maybe it's time we started going after the families of these suspects and deporting them" and then doubling down on how the ignorant musselman can't integrate into enlightened western culture.

And your choice of debate is to have them probated?

I personally come into D&D to read up when stuff like this happens. It's pretty damning that all pretense of debate is tossed out the window because some are uncomfortable with the discussion.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:26

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

SickZip posted:

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

He literally shouted "Death to Antifa" as he entered the courtroom, now gently caress off, fascist.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:27

Verus: Jun 3, 2011; AUT INVENIAM VIAM AUT FACIAM

SickZip posted:

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

gently caress off, nazi.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:27

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

SickZip posted:

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

What the gently caress is this poo poo?

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:27

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

He literally shouted "Death to Antifa" as he entered the courtroom, now gently caress off, fascist.

FALSE FLAG, CLEARLY A FALSE FLAG! Alex Jones taught me to yell that.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:27

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Namtab posted:

I'm frowning at this post while raising a single eyebrow at the two mods posting itt atm

i don't have the buttons on my phone. he's not long for this world

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:29

SickZip: Jul 29, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

He literally shouted "Death to Antifa" as he entered the courtroom, now gently caress off, fascist.

lol he was tweeting about punching nazis and hating racists prior to the incidents and had previously talked about trying to incite violence to blame on trump supporters.

I wonder what D&D thread he posted in

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:30

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Mexico and South America: Not The West.

Everyone knows that the west is the rich countries in Europe and america, the east is Japan and China, the middle east is everything in between and the third world is everything else.

Fog Tripper posted:

And your choice of debate is to have them probated?

I personally come into D&D to read up when stuff like this happens. It's pretty damning that all pretense of debate is tossed out the window because some are uncomfortable with the discussion.

Liberals believe that every opinion holds weight and is equally worthy of debate. They aren't. When you get into the territory of "people should be deported for the crimes of their family" having a debate just legitimizes that view as being in any way worthy of rebuttal.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:30

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

The UK marxism thread is surprisingly hostile to regressive viewpoints. Who knew?

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:33

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Namtab posted:

The UK marxism thread is surprisingly hostile to regressive viewpoints. Who knew?

Ah but have you heard about the regressive left?

No really have you heard about them because I dunno what they're supposed to be lol.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:33

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Explosions now by the Sun offices on London Bridge street.

Likely to be controlled ones.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:33

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Fog Tripper posted:

And your choice of debate is to have them probated?

I personally come into D&D to read up when stuff like this happens. It's pretty damning that all pretense of debate is tossed out the window because some are uncomfortable with the discussion.

If you think "Hey maybe a majority of Muslims are evil" you are not debating you are just being a oval office.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:33

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Skinty McEdger posted:

Explosions now by the Sun offices on London Bridge street.

Likely to be controlled ones.

Don't get my hopes up.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:34

maskenfreiheit: Dec 30, 2004

the uk should make terrorism illegal

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:34

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

SickZip posted:

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

get your posting in now, dickhead

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:35

SickZip: Jul 29, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

TheRat posted:

What the gently caress is this poo poo?

it'd literally true. he has a long internet history you can search and videos of a number of incidents he's been involved in.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:35

Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Namtab posted:

The UK marxism thread is surprisingly hostile to regressive viewpoints. Who knew?

I always thought that UKMT was short for UK Market, for some reason

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:36

breadshaped: Apr 1, 2010; Soiled Meat

It's not a free market though

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:37

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Fans posted:

If you think "Hey maybe a majority of Muslims are evil" you are not debating you are just being a oval office.

The one guy you 6'd did not say "evil" he said "when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views".
Some would willingly state the same thing about Christianity without anyone blinking an eye.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jun 4, 2017

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:37

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

It's funny how all the rubbernecking ghouls exclusively show up when something like this happens and are never around the rest of the time, then they get their knickers all in a twist when folk immediately recognise them for the wound-poking shitehawks they are. If the only debate or discussion you want to be involved in is one about the relative merits of deporting all muslims or collectively punishing an ethno-religious group for the actions of a tiny fraction of their members, then it's safe to say that you're a oval office and we want nothing to do with you.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:38

Kokoro Wish: Jul 23, 2007; Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Isn't blue thunder like, well, lightning?

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:38

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Fog Tripper posted:

The one guy you 6'd did not say "evil" he said "when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views".

that is also false and worthy of probation. thanks for playing

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:39

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I've been out of the loop for all of today, what's been the word on how QT was viewed in the papers and that and are there any new polls. Yes I am a lazy gently caress.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:41

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I know I've been hostilely intolerated to death on a regular basis on account of living somewhere with like a what, 1 in 30 or so Muslim population.

Can't move for intolerant hostilty round here. Whole town's dry as a bone, no alcohol, no sausage in a bun. Everyone wears burqas, minarets every ten feet. Terrible.

# ? Jun 4, 2017 01:43

breadshaped: Apr 1, 2010; Soiled Meat

Paperhouse posted:

I've been out of the loop for all of today, what's been the word on how QT was viewed in the papers and that and are there any new polls. Yes I am a lazy gently caress.

You should get in the loop

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Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Fog Tripper posted:

The one guy you 6'd did not say "evil" he said "when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views".
Some would willingly state the same thing about Christianity without anyone blinking an eye.

R. Guyovich posted:

that is also false and worthy of probation. thanks for playing

chernobyl kinsman posted:

when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea

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