ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

The scary thing is if Christians didn't hate Muslims so much and ISIS didn't hate Christians so much the prophecies they follow fall very much inline with the prophecies Christian Evangelicals believe.

If they were actually to think outside themselves and Islam (impossibly since they are so radically islamic) their cross-religious outreach to bring the endtimes by targetting the Christian Radicals with these same ideas could have been very successful at causing more extremist attacks in the West.

CottonWolf posted:

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871152386739404800

Aurubin posted:

I'm waltzing into this thread with a hot take: This is bad for Tim Farron.

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Their kids are citizens but their parents sure as hell aren't

These people radicalize because they fail to adopt western values

That Blame lands solely on their parents

You can't win by deporting entire communities. Ergo, without consequences that extend beyond the individual you cannot beat martyrdom

Their shithead parents are not innocent

Just look at the father of that guy who shot up the gay bar in Miami

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

It's weird that they're refering to London Bridge and Borough Market as seperate events. Aren't they so close that it's extremely likely the same people just went from one to the other?

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

It's weird that they're refering to London Bridge and Borough Market as seperate events. Aren't they so close that it's extremely likely the same people just went from one to the other?

Pissflaps posted:

https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/871147106236604416

Tortuga posted:

Just your random 3 times a night brutal knife assault in London. Nothing to worry about

Hoops posted:

They're reporting three incidents, but it appears that the London Bridge and Borough Market ones are the same? Van driving into people on the bridge, crashing near the market (100 yards down the road) and then guys with knives jumping out.

There's no information on the Vauxhall incident so it may be something completely separate.

There is now also chatter about Monument station, which is on the other side of the Thames from Borough Market, across the (closed) bridge.

Eeyo posted:

The article linked earlier about ISIS is relevant here, I think. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/. ISIS is an apocalyptic cult, and they will act to fulfill their prophecy. In that sense, there may not be a moderation if ISIS was to become a containment zone of radicalism.

PIGS BREXIT posted:

To be clear, do you guys actually believe that people read about the second coming of Jesus on the internet, and then decide to go do a terrorism to hasten it? And that there is no other influence or motivation for them that brings them to this point?

Is there like one super-convincing web page or something because if so we should definitely block it

edit: let's do it quick before more than 4 people have had a chance to read it

nopantsjack posted:

Mods can you give these guys more than sixers this time?

Its pretty loving lovely to have to deal with this EVERY time on top of the shittiness of these attacks.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Isn't blue thunder like, well, lightning?

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Maybe it's time to start going after the families of these suspects and deport them

Hoops posted:

Quoting myself here as the thread will be going quite fast - unless there's two white vans then it seems like they are the same incident

Lord_Adonis posted:

With regards to the deployment of 'crusader' armies (NATO and perhaps Russia, would be counted as such I would guess) in Iraq and Syria, surely the winning move is not to play. Instead, allow the states of the region to maintain a cordon with logistical and air support from outside the region if requested from said states and adopt a point defence strategy on the ground. Deprived of access to funds, food and munitions from outside, attrition will see to it that the ISIS Caliphate cannot expand its borders beyond those permitted by the cordon. ISIS may be able to inspire acts of terror from people in the Cordon states, which can be dealt with on an individual basis by the security services of those states. Eventually their rulers will have to choose between food and normalisation, or slow starvation. It is possible that, thanks to their ruler's instinct for self-preservation (despite their lofty rhetoric of martyrdom) or rebellion from below, they will choose the former.

Fans posted:

The way the system works Sixers are able to be auto approved and everything else needs to be cleared by one of the higher up admins. So if you see they just got a sixer it could be because the rest of it hasn't gone through yet.

Jedit posted:

No, you don't recall correctly. The only polling company to ever predict a Yes win was Panelbase, in a poll paid for by the SNP. ICM and YouGov did put out two later polls that showed more Yes voters than No voters, but they used the undecideds as a third category while Panelbase excluded them completely to give a 51-49 result. ICM also showed Yes further ahead, 7% against YouGov's 2%.

Fans posted:

The way the system works Sixers are able to be auto approved and everything else needs to be cleared by one of the higher up admins. So if you see they just got a sixer it could be because the rest of it hasn't gone through yet.

Lord_Adonis posted:

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Yes it's entirely the West's fault that they aren't allowed to practice Sharia Law or wear Burkas like the glorious enlightened people of Saudi Arabia

PIGS BREXIT posted:

To be clear, do you guys actually believe that people read about the second coming of Jesus on the internet, and then decide to go do a terrorism to hasten it? And that there is no other influence or motivation for them that brings them to this point?

Is there like one super-convincing web page or something because if so we should definitely block it

edit: let's do it quick before more than 4 people have had a chance to read it

Lord_Adonis posted:

This is true. What I am advocating for is probably on the dumber side of dumb, but options need to be explored that allow us to hold ISIS at arms length whilst concentrating on Point Defence at home, and pursuing social and economic policies that can ameliorate the sense of alienation from wider society that are a large component in the motivation of these domestic terrorists.

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

Actually the parents are less likely to be radical and more likely to adapt to western values than the children.

The reason their children radicalize falls entirely on western and british culture for not accepting them as much, having grown up as a second generation immigrant I know that feeling first hand. Where you feel to South America to be American and if you go to South America, too American to be South American. So you have no place. No home. No place you can identify with fully. But someone you met online tells you you can be good and loyal to your identity, and change the world at the same time by being a good christian, and killing other people, to bring about the second coming of Christ.

Do you not see how this works?

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

They have online groomers. Mostly they pose as Islamic Scholars. They target immigrant children and youth in the west who are impressionable, feeling depression, pain in their life, feeling unhappy in their culture, aka the vast majority of people of that age group. They use tactics, just as a sexual predator does, to convince them and radicalize them.

LordVorbis posted:

What is your lot's (in this context I mean racists and fascists like yourself) obsession with Sharia? It isn't even a dog whistle at this point, you're just straight up being bonkers.

Lord_Adonis posted:

[quote="Namtab" post="473009701"]
Sucks to be a civilian in the meantime tho.

This is true. What I am advocating for is probably on the dumber side of dumb, but options need to be explored that allow us to hold ISIS at arms length whilst concentrating on Point Defence at home, and pursuing social and economic policies that can ameliorate the sense of alienation from wider society that are a large component in the motivation of these domestic terrorists.

Namtab posted:

To be clear, on the international scale IS are a problem, and ignoring them is probably not going to be any more effective than our current strategy of brimstone missiles. I don't really have an answer.

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think that putting really big machineguns on the beaches to shoot down incoming terrorists will help much, tbh.

Trickjaw posted:

Why shop there? We can up some internment .camp, smash all shops and businesses owned by brown , and burn down all the mosques! You do real is the leader of UKIP just on Monday demanded we should detain terrorists with no proof or charges?

LordVorbis posted:

What is your lot's (in this context I mean racists and fascists like yourself) obsession with Sharia? It isn't even a dog whistle at this point, you're just straight up being bonkers.

Me, Twelve Days Ago posted:

Reminder to not believe poo poo from the media for 24 hours after any event because the media will just throw poo poo at the wall so they can say "we got it right first"

Namtab posted:

I'm more wondering why they haven't even got a sixer yet, mod

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

The answer in the west at the very least is to form task force organizations that specifically target youth and young people at risk to being radicalized for cultural inclusion and guidance.

These group are going to have to be religious in nature to be effective. And they are going to need ample funding.

There is unfortunately nothing like that out there.

Namtab posted:

I'm more wondering why they haven't even got a sixer yet, mod

TheRat posted:

There's a distinct lack of sixers though

Tortuga posted:

I'd like someone to give Isis a sixer