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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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kingturnip posted:Well, I'm off to bed. I'm hoping there'll be something more useful being reported by the time I wake up. Hol up its almost like a person can be worried about the rate of suicide and Islamic terrorism at the same time.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Hol up its almost like a person can be worried about the rate of suicide and Islamic terrorism at the same time. Well I mean if you're capable of being like, 0.1% as worried about a thing as you are about another thing, I guess, but I personally don't have that degree of emotional granularity.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:34
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jabby posted:That's true, but anyone who does it knows they're essentially committing suicide by police. It's horrific and inexcusable, but calling it cowardly feels almost like a deliberate refusal to try and understand the motivations behind the acts. I suppose; it's more indiscriminate than cowardly. I don't think they would've preferred to have killed police or soldiers rather than random civilians. Still took the easy option though I guess.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:35
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jabby posted:Is it me, or has the the word 'cowardly' really been pushed recently to describe these attacks? I remember May and Rudd using it in just about every statement, now Khan. I only noticed because Corbyn always seemed to avoid describing the attacker and focused instead on the response by emergency services/ordinary citizens. Been that way for awhile. Don't know why it's come to the fore but there seems to be a very widespread desire to brand terrorists as "cowardly" and like you it's not the first word that would jump to mind for someone willing to kill and die, regardless of why. e; ^ Yeah but when they do go after the coppers or a soldier, they still call them 'cowardly'.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:35
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The DPRK posted:I'm also statistically unlikely to be the victim of child sex trafficking. Doesn't mean I shouldn't give a toss about it. Deport the Tories? Finally an idea I can get behind!
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Jun 4, 2017 02:36
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You don't have to think it's going to kill specifically you to be anxious about terrorism.
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Namtab posted:Deport the Tories? Finally an idea I can get behind! Err... Yes! Deport the Tories!
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Jun 4, 2017 02:37
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Mister Adequate posted:Been that way for awhile. Don't know why it's come to the fore but there seems to be a very widespread desire to brand terrorists as "cowardly" and like you it's not the first word that would jump to mind for someone willing to kill and die, regardless of why. The idea is that 'cowardly' is a negative trait. What better word is there?
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Jun 4, 2017 02:38
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number one pta fan posted:You don't have to think it's going to kill specifically you to be anxious about terrorism. I mean yes it's reasonable to be concerned about stupid government responses to it eroding our society.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:38
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namesake posted:We're getting conflicting reports here, I'll have to consult the CAMRA Good Pub Guide and check the floor plans. Update: We have confirmation the pub was the Sheaf.
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Namtab posted:The idea is that 'cowardly' is a negative trait. What better word is there? "Right tosser".
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Jun 4, 2017 02:38
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A lot of these attacks are coming from second-generation immigrants, it looks like. IIRC a big problem with that generation in particular is that they struggle fitting into either their parent's culture or the culture of whatever country they're born into, which is why they tend to gravitate towards extremist groups.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:39
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Namtab posted:The idea is that 'cowardly' is a negative trait. What better word is there? "Murderous prick" seems to fit the bill but yeah fair enough, if you're identifying young men as the most likely culprits you'll want to downplay any sense of heroism, too.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:40
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Mister Adequate posted:"Murderous prick" seems to fit the bill but yeah fair enough, if you're identifying young men as the most likely culprits you'll want to downplay any sense of heroism, too. If we could persuade the whole of the press to just report them as indiscriminate murders without all the panic and fanfare I think that would go a long way.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:43
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Namtab posted:Deport the Tories? Finally an idea I can get behind! *blocks your path*
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Jun 4, 2017 02:48
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number one pta fan posted:You don't have to think it's going to kill specifically you to be anxious about terrorism. No, it's a natural reaction and its the reaction that they want. The thing to do is to remember that its our response that defines us as a society. Each time we give up a freedom in the name of security. Every time we stigmatize, criticise and control a community in the name of a false integration. Every time we panic and splash their faces on the front page of our national newspapers, reporting their names and their ideology in porous detail. These are all little victories for terrorism, and change who we are as a people.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:48
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:*blocks your path* I saw him in that Monty python sketch. He's dead now.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:50
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Namtab posted:I saw him in that Monty python sketch. He's dead now. Was the seventies the golden age of the nonces?
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Jun 4, 2017 02:54
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Was the seventies the golden age of the nonces? I believe from the news in the last few years, yes it was. Why, is a much more interesting question.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:59
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Was the seventies the golden age of the nonces? Don't worry, I'm sure we'll hear about our present batch in forty years' time when they all start dying.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:00
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Darth Walrus posted:Don't worry, I'm sure we'll hear about our present batch in forty years' time when they all start dying. How much noncing has James Corden been up to?
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Jun 4, 2017 03:01
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So is there any word if anyone died? Because all I'm seeing is "20 people taken to hospital." Is it ok to be maybe a bit optimistic that this won't end up being a catastrophe?
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Jun 4, 2017 03:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there any word if anyone died? Because all I'm seeing is "20 people taken to hospital." Wait until tomorrow afternoon, when cold facts will take over.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:04
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Namtab posted:Wait until tomorrow afternoon, when cold facts will take over. The 24 hour news cycle demands answers NOW
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Jun 4, 2017 03:08
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The 24 hour news cycle demands answers NOW Police reported earlier that 'more than 1 fatality' occurred at the London Bridge incident, beyond that nothing official AFAIK.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:11
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there any word if anyone died? Because all I'm seeing is "20 people taken to hospital." 'More than one fatality confirmed' - BBC Edit: FB
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Jun 4, 2017 03:11
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there any word if anyone died? Because all I'm seeing is "20 people taken to hospital." "More than one fatality". If its one of the attackers, or a victim idk.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:13
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:if the scots vote in any tories they deserve to be dragged out the the eu with no indyref2 Scots have already voted in one Tory. Also why don't you fix your own country's problem first since that's where the real supply of Tories are since the majority of Tory seats are in England.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:14
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Darth Walrus posted:FYI, that Atlantic article on ISIS that was being passed around in this thread is pretty thorough bullshit. Thanks, it's good to get some contextualization from a primary source in that Atlantic article.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:18
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Trickjaw posted:"More than one fatality". If its one of the attackers, or a victim idk. Hopefully an attacker went down in the hail of bullets that's been reported.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:20
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Really Corbyn needs to just refuse to stop campaigning and hammer May on this. The sad but true fact is this poo poo is a direct consequence of the kind of politics she represents. He'll be attacked for 'politicising' a disaster but people need to appreciate that this isn't a disaster but a political event that occurs in a context. Both May's foreign policy and her cuts to the police are directly linked to it, and the Conservative government is plainly unable to protect its citizens despite all the 'strong and stable' rhetoric. I hope this becomes obvious to people as election day approaches.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:22
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ThomasPaine posted:Really Corbyn needs to just refuse to stop campaigning and hammer May on this. The sad but true fact is this poo poo is a direct consequence of the kind of politics she represents. He'll be attacked for 'politicising' a disaster but people need to appreciate that this isn't a disaster but a political event that occurs in a context. Both May's foreign policy and her cuts to the police are directly linked to it, and the Conservative government is plainly unable to protect its citizens despite all the 'strong and stable' rhetoric. I hope this becomes obvious to people as election day approaches. No it won't. They will just call Corybn a IRA sympathiser who is undermining our Police Force's work. People don't look for obvious answer, they look for answers they want to believe in regardless if it's true or not.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:31
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hopefully an attacker went down in the hail of bullets that's been reported. I'm a little undecided on this, I would like to see them in court, so we prove our way works, but they will go to prison and probably try to radicalise others. Being shot may be no more than he deserved, but then we create a martyr, and they probably expected to die. Its very hard to know what's for the best.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:31
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ThomasPaine posted:Really Corbyn needs to just refuse to stop campaigning and hammer May on this. The sad but true fact is this poo poo is a direct consequence of the kind of politics she represents. He'll be attacked for 'politicising' a disaster but people need to appreciate that this isn't a disaster but a political event that occurs in a context. Both May's foreign policy and her cuts to the police are directly linked to it, and the Conservative government is plainly unable to protect its citizens despite all the 'strong and stable' rhetoric. I hope this becomes obvious to people as election day approaches. I am wondering if in keeping with his previous message, refusing to switch off politics in the face of terror attacks might not be workable. I don't know whether it would work, I mean, I think it's entirely the correct thing to do, but I am ambivalent as to whether it would work well. Pausing for Sunday would be appropriate, but I think starting again Monday at full force is important. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Jun 4, 2017 03:31
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ThomasPaine posted:Really Corbyn needs to just refuse to stop campaigning and hammer May on this. The sad but true fact is this poo poo is a direct consequence of the kind of politics she represents. He'll be attacked for 'politicising' a disaster but people need to appreciate that this isn't a disaster but a political event that occurs in a context. Both May's foreign policy and her cuts to the police are directly linked to it, and the Conservative government is plainly unable to protect its citizens despite all the 'strong and stable' rhetoric. I hope this becomes obvious to people as election day approaches. The Conservative Party is about as strong and stable as wet cardboard box smelling of cat piss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ord5aX_w1rQ Meanwhile Styxhexenhammer is back with a fresh take
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Jun 4, 2017 03:32
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:The Conservative Party is about as strong and stable as wet cardboard box smelling of cat piss Thank God he is here to advise us. Who is this arsehole? I wouldn't dream of making critical videos about a country I knew nothing about, I got about three minutes and decided it was a waste of time. Why has he got a Roman standard behind him Get your haircut, son. E: some moron is weighing in on BBC that there was drinking alcohol and a copper dead. I wouldn't trust, he just seemed glad to be on telly, like that tit Gerald earlier.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:42
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Trickjaw posted:Thank God he is here to advise us. Who is this arsehole? I wouldn't dream of making critical videos about a country I knew nothing about, I got about three minutes and decided it was a waste of time. Why has he got a Roman standard behind him Paul Joseph Watson for turboedgelords
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Jun 4, 2017 03:48
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Six dead.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:54
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jBrereton posted:S'right, it's why nobody is stabbed for political reasons in the 'States. Not muslim terrorists at least. We catch a lot of these plot before they happen.
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Not muslim terrorists at least. We catch a lot of these plot before they happen. As do we. We might be heading that way, but we are not a third world country. When people commit very simple acts like this, especially if they are home grown, it is incredibly hard to uncover.
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