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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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waffle posted:I haven't watched anything on TV, was Corbyn's speech covered by the major networks? It seems like a good one, but i don't see a lot of coverage online. was live on sky news i think, the bbc didn't show it of course. they'll probably be ready to show the spliced up 'i love terrorism' version later
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The Insect Court posted:They buy tanks that go to sit in a warehouse out in a desert and rust, and warplanes that actually get used because it's harder to stage a coup with an air force.
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to "They're apocalyptic genocidal cultists who can't be reasoned with, only destroyed!" 
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The Insect Court posted:It's not that I disagree with this stance but I do find it an amusing irony that the thread consensus has moved from "It's the fault of our foreign policy, innit?" Very easily, if lovely foreign policy allowed an apocalypse cult to become the most powerful group in the region by creating a power vacuum, filling it with ex-military types, and leaving the only plausible leadership religious extremists.
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The Insect Court posted:They buy tanks that go to sit in a warehouse out in a desert and rust, and warplanes that actually get used because it's harder to stage a coup with an air force. You're doing that thing where you claim that a couple of posts by a couple of posters is the thread consensus, TIC. We already looked at how that Atlantic article is misleading, poorly-sourced bullshit.
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Julio Cruz posted:The "shoot to kill" policy which Corbyn opposes is not "shoot someone who's wearing a bomb vest/holding a gun/knife and is about to do imminent harm to someone", it's "shoot the people we know/believe/vaguely suspect to be terrorists so that they never get as far as possibly harming someone". Of course, the papers immediately spun it as the first option so they could call him a terrorist sympathiser some more. Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to be able to tell people this and back it up.
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The Insect Court posted:It's not that I disagree with this stance but I do find it an amusing irony that the thread consensus has moved from "It's the fault of our foreign policy, innit?" The foreign policy in question isn't fighting ISIS, it's the use of bombing tactics which result in large numbers of civilian casualties, which ISIS then use in their "Islam v the West" propaganda which results in more Muslims being radicalised.
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The Insect Court posted:It's not that I disagree with this stance but I do find it an amusing irony that the thread consensus has moved from "It's the fault of our foreign policy, innit?" no it hasn't in fact we're discussing the smoking gun of the bomber's connections to mi5 you horrid little fuckstain
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learnincurve posted:I know I'm late to this discussion but I was waiting for the ghouls to sod off before reading the thread. This isn't what the whole "shoot to kill" controversy was about. "Shoot to kill" was a policy alleged to be used during the troubles in NI where the police and armed forces would try to kill suspected terrorists who didn't pose an immediate threat instead of trying to arrest them. That is what Corbyn opposes. It would make no difference to how the police respond to an ongoing attack like last night. Edit: Autonomous Monster posted:Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to be able to tell people this and back it up. Wikipedia, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot-to-kill_policy_in_Northern_Ireland Hallucinogenic Toreador fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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in this is that modern terrorists use texts and the internet so much that they no longer need to actually talk to them to get the information they need, and a nice clean execution avoids giving them the publicity of a trial or the possibility that they will continue to operate within prison.
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quote:Gasparri said she told other neighbours including a Polish woman, who then tipped off the suspect that he had been reported to police.
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The Insect Court posted:It's not that I disagree with this stance but I do find it an amusing irony that the thread consensus has moved from "It's the fault of our foreign policy, innit?" Not at all. Our foreign policy created, empowered and sustained them. I've said before that's it's a "the horse has already bolted" kind of situation. We hosed up but we'd be loving up more if we just ignored the mess we've made. Which is why I think the left and right are terrible at handling ISIS. The right moreso. The rights actions would just make things worse while the left makes the very simple mistake of thinking ISIS is just like Alqueda or the Taliban and can be talked to. No they really can't.
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Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't bring back the MRF death squads. A disaster!
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Autonomous Monster posted:Do you have a reference for this? I'd like to be able to tell people this and back it up. Here you go.
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lol I actually had no idea gbs was officially racist now, reading that London thread was a real eye opener. Time for anew name and maybe a full set of punctuation marks.
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Pollyanna posted:Uh, this seems huge. If I understand correctly, he's saying that the Manchester bomber was part of a group that Theresa May and her party explicitly cultivated in the UK? Isn't that loving massive? The piece has very little fact, a lot of opinion and reeks of the kind of truther bullshit you saw when people were saying Bush was behind 9/11 or let it happened. The whole part about the Salafist Militia's inventing the very real threat of genocide in Libya is absolutely hillarious. You only have to look to Syria to see how real the threat of massacres and genocide is when you see rebels and freedom fighters supported by locals go up against Arab Nationalists. The people defending Gaddafi and Al-Assad are not your's or anyone's friends. They do not have the interests of the world in their best interests. They aren't leftists. The whole Syrian war is a loving violent uprising of the lower classes who were literally starved during a famine against the ruling family - who are basically royalty.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w Amber Rudd passing a note to the moderator at a Hustings, shutting down a discussion about Saudi arms sales and ISIS. Haven't seen this posted here yet. This looks dodgy as gently caress.
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OfficialGBSCaliph posted:lol I actually had no idea gbs was officially
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The Insect Court posted:Doesn't seem as if you can have both be true. Uh... they are perfectly compatible, what are you even on about? Its an iredeemable org created and empowered by bad foreign policy. Edit: Very beaten haha, thats what I get for phone posting GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The piece has very little fact, a lot of opinion and reeks of the kind of truther bullshit you saw when people were saying Bush was behind 9/11 or let it happened. how have you read that into it? what's going on in your brain right now? Do you think mi5 aren't cultivating terrorists? because that's not "opinion". Do you think the bombing was not preventable? that's controversial. You've smeared a piece because of the spin (backed by the UN) as you see it. You've challenged absolutely none of the points it raised. e; do you think that, despite every possible expert opinion available disagreeing with this, the libya intervention has made libya or the world safer?
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OfficialGBSCaliph posted:lol I actually had no idea gbs was officially racist now, reading that London thread was a real eye opener. Time for anew name and maybe a full set of punctuation marks. I did a bit of gbs reading during the Manchester attack and it genuinely felt like reading /pol/ or The_Donald. It was kind of insane.
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GBS has been garbage for its entire lifetime, don't bother with it.
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Pollyanna posted:GBS has been garbage for its entire lifetime, don't bother with it. I was just following the breadcrumbs left by the people who came in here to have their fun.
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Thinking about it a name change might be in order anyway, I don't want to get put in Theresa's Falkland gulags.
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learnincurve posted:I know I'm late to this discussion but I was waiting for the ghouls to sod off before reading the thread. Conveniently forgetting the fact these men were wearing what appeared to be explosive suicide belts at the time. Yes it turned out the belts were fake but in this kind of situation you can't exactly pause for a second and shout, "Oi mate! Is that belt legit or just panto?"
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holy poo poo that's loving evil, what an unbelievably poo poo person.
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Spangly A posted:how have you read that into it? what's going on in your brain right now? Do you think mi5 aren't cultivating terrorists? because that's not "opinion". Do you think the bombing was not preventable? that's controversial. I do challenge the points it's raised. I challenge the idea that Gaddafi was taken out because he didn't want to use dollars for his money. I challenge the idea that Gaddafi would not have massacred tens of thousands of his own citizens just as we have seen other rich arab nationalists do throughout the history of the Middle East. Just as we have seen in Syria. The article comes off as a leftist defending Gaddafi. But Gaddafi is no leftist. He is equal to what Chavez and Maduro are in Venezuela. Corrupt Kings; who use the money made off oil to benefit their family and friends while killing anyone who opposes them. They're dictators, they don't give two fucks about the poor, or your class struggle. They just want power. The left lets itself be lead by Putin and his power hungry Fascist comrades straight into the barrel of the gun with the pied-piper tale of " modern imperialism" and "Yankee Gringos de Mierda." The saddest thing is that you let it work. And don't worry mate. If Putin had you standing between him and a million dollars of power he'd kill you with his loving bare hands.
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Would Corbyn rise in the polls if Trump insulted him on Twitter? If so, someone tell him about Corbyn.
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Al-Saqr posted:holy poo poo that's loving evil, what an unbelievably poo poo person. Welcome to the conservative party!
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"If you want me to leave, you'll have to call the police" "Right Bob, would you like to try and go do that, please?" The Tories, ladies and gentlemen
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:The left lets itself be lead by Putin and his power hungry Fascist comrades straight into the barrel of the gun with the pied-piper tale of " modern imperialism" and "Yankee Gringos de Mierda." Are you deranged? ISeeCuckedPeople posted:
Your idea of leftists worldwide is so ridiculously far from the truth it's unbelievable, and you can't get past your own prejudices to challenge the fundamental question. Is the world better? You don't need to educate us on what a monster gaddafi is. We know. There's a reason the only "leftist" media voices on the planet you can appear to recall are deranged putinists and it's certainly not a lack of alternative. You really hate the left and you have no idea what it is, sorry.
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There is no difference between shooting a tory and shooting a terrorist.
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Jun 4, 2017 20:48
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That's very reminiscent of the endless sealioning going on at GOP townhalls
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like what sort of inhuman sack of poo poo would vote for people like that, what the gently caress.
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Pochoclo posted:"If you want me to leave, you'll have to call the police" And here we see a sterling example of the lie that behaviour is only rude if it's shouted or includes swearing, but isn't if it politely states that people should be grateful for subsistence.
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