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Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/871768624570281985


Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing/status/871765238839877633
https://twitter.com/migold/status/871768780594085889
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/871689135077154816
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/871765475075780608



ho boy more Kushner:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/871778030666084352

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


evilweasel posted:

This is the same misunderstanding of privatization. This is going to be a non-profit government-controlled corporation, not a privately owned for-profit corporation.

I suspect that people are misunderstanding the proposal because trump didn't understand it either, of course.

Then why is it being called "privatization"? I would expect something that gets privatized to end up, well, private.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/871768624570281985


Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

He was the creator of the Benghazi Committee and made himself Chairman of said committee.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/871768624570281985


Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

They're close, but Gowdy is very, VERY, VVVVEEEEERRRRRYYYYY stupid and he will twist every hearing to be about leaks or whatever

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Pollyanna posted:

Then why is it being called "privatization"? I would expect something that gets privatized to end up, well, private.

Because it would be funded primarily through user-fees instead of taxes on fuel.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Spaced God posted:

Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

Trey Gowdy is essentially a walking, talking Benghazi inquiry.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

AstheWorldWorlds posted:

I wonder what percentage of public services will be privatized by 2100. Capitalists don't seem to really give a gently caress about whether it even makes sense so we can probably consider almost everything on the table.

0, President Wyden will socialize all the things

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

evilweasel posted:

the proposal is a non-profit
So's my hospital system, but that doesn't stop it from raking in a shitton of excess revenue that vanishes into the ether.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Sounds like its a done deal and an attempt to quash the congressional investigations into Trump.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Chilichimp posted:

Sounds like its a done deal and an attempt to quash the congressional investigations into Trump.

That's a massive loving shame and if this guy fucks up the Russia investigations I will be so mad.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/871768624570281985


Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

He was the chairman of the congressional special committee on Banghazi. He is an establishment attack dog and will absolutely kill any oversight investigation into Trump.

He's also the defacto chair of the intel committee which has gone fully partisan on leaks and has all but stopped activity looking into Russian interference.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Crain posted:

What would a "non-compromise" candidate be? Jeff Sessions' KKK hood?

compromise between the freedom caucus and the leadership, not between sanity and insanity

its a fight over how much control leadership has, nothing more

Max Peck
Oct 12, 2013

You know you're having a bad day when a Cylon ambush would improve it.

evilweasel posted:

This is the same misunderstanding of privatization. This is going to be a non-profit government-controlled corporation, not a privately owned for-profit corporation.

I suspect that people are misunderstanding the proposal because trump didn't understand it either, of course.

The non-profit label isn't a magic shield against a profit motive. The NFL is a non-profit. They're good at ignoring safety in favor of profit too, although on a different sort of scale.

And if it's the "government-controlled" part that makes a difference... ATC is already government-controlled, why change it?

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Pollyanna posted:

That's a massive loving shame and if this guy fucks up the Russia investigations I will be so mad.

I recommend beginning the mad-getting right now because that is exactly what's going to happen.

Congress can't stop Mueller's investigation--that's under the purview of the DoJ--but I wouldn't expect congressional investigations to continue in any sort of meaningful way.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Pollyanna posted:

Then why is it being called "privatization"? I would expect something that gets privatized to end up, well, private.

trump is a dumb man-child

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Ravenfood posted:

So's my hospital system, but that doesn't stop it from raking in a shitton of excess revenue that vanishes into the ether.

the post was in response to this:

azflyboy posted:

Aside from the fact that controllers are unionized (which the GOP hates) and the uneven funding other posters mentioned, another reason is that it's because there are a lot of other countries (Canada, the UK, most of Europe) that have privatized ATC, but most of those setups are some kind of non-profit, which Trump doesn't understand.

which you should have known, considering it was quoted in my post. did you not read that post, the post my post was in response to, it was quoted for a reason.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

:lol:

https://twitter.com/McClatchyDC/status/871675476237991936

Here's what a sane (relatively speaking, of course) Republican thought about that.

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/871712205938577409

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/871713878371160065

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Harrow posted:

I recommend beginning the mad-getting right now because that is exactly what's going to happen.

Congress can't stop Mueller's investigation--that's under the purview of the DoJ--but I wouldn't expect congressional investigations to continue in any sort of meaningful way.

Does the congressional investigation matter if Mueller will come to bipartisan results at this point?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/871768624570281985


Also, I don't know Gowdy, I imagine he's somehow worse than Chaffetz?

Trump's voters are loving morons. They probably see the optics of him signing anything and think he got a "win" or accomplished something.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

It's ok rick, voter suppression will take care of the rest

Schizotek
Nov 8, 2011

I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!

In highschool we moved to El Vedado street, which is directly underneath the path of the planes but closer to the airport. They were legitimately loud as gently caress, so the airport paid for all the homes to basically be soundproofed. Used to walk to the Southern Blvd bridge to fish with my brother, and when we got thirsty I'd go through the Mar-A-Lago workers entrance by the courts and steal the sodas that the club laid out in bowls of ice.

What I'm trying to say here is that I repeatedly and successfully commit petty theft against Donald Trump as a kid, and this makes me feel fuzzy for some reason.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Of course they're going to go after the media. The hell else have they got to run on?

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time


They seriously saw "Man wins election after bodyslamming reporter one day earlier" and concluded it was a winning strategy.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
WaPo has a tl;dr on the ATC Privatization Proposal:

quote:

Instead, Congress has expressed enormous frustration over the pace of the FAA’s modernization program, called NextGen.

While commonly referred to as a GPS-based system for directing the flow of aircraft, that simplistic explanation is akin to saying it’s the carburetor that makes a car’s wheels go around.

The reality is that NextGen is a complicated group of systems intended to smooth the flow of airplanes, speed air travel, save fuel and accommodate a 20 percent increase in passengers in the next two decades.

The current system is radar-based and requires planes to fly from one waypoint to the next rather than in a straight line to their destination. (Complaints about low-flying airliners have been legion across the country as the first of several NextGen projects has come on line.)

Selling Congress and the airlines, who would bear some of the cost, on a multibillion-dollar modernization program seemed like a dicey proposition, so about a dozen years ago the FAA came up with a catchy name for all its projects: NextGen.

That gave the FAA a single name to use when it sought money from Congress. But it also gave Congress a single program to hold accountable when elements of NextGen moved slowly, or not at all.

Congress’s perception that NextGen wasn’t moving fast enough was amply bolstered by critical reports from the inspector general’s office and from the Government Accountability Office.

The FAA, however, has been able to point to success in recent years with some elements of NextGen.

The White House plan tinkers with Shuster’s original plan in an attempt to ensure that airlines don’t dominate the board. Rather than assigning seats on the board to entities like airlines, unions, general aviation and the public, the initial selections would be similarly selected.

“We have totally unended that,” said a senior White House official. “Going forward it should operate like any other board and perpetuate itself and not be divided out by special interest groups.”

The new corporation would pay for itself through user fees for airlines and “reasonable” fees passed on to passengers, the administration said. It also would have the authority to adjust air routes after seeking public comment, recognizing that NextGen routing will cause noise over houses that haven’t previously experienced low-flying planes.

The wording of the White House paper may cause concern for union members who would go off the federal payroll. It specifies twice that current employees will retain their pay and benefits and be able to participate in federal retirement and health-care plans. It does not say that the corporation’s new hires should expect the same pay or benefits.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011



Covok posted:

Lex Luthor is more eloquent than this :colbert:

Not if he's the new lovely movie version.

Skippy Granola
Sep 3, 2011

It's not what it looks like.

Ballz posted:

They seriously saw "Man wins election after bodyslamming reporter one day earlier" and concluded it was a winning strategy.

The poor bastards, God help them if the media starts doing journalism.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Spaced God posted:

Does the congressional investigation matter if Mueller will come to bipartisan results at this point?

Honestly don't know the answer to that.

The benefit of a congressional investigation is that eventually their findings have to be made public, and many of their hearings would be public, too. It'd be a way for us to learn about what's going on (and, in a political sense, a potential goldmine for anti-Trump soundbites when 2020 rolls around). But with Mueller's independent investigation being the only one even remotely likely to result in real charges, that's definitely the more important investigation.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer
Unrelated, but my wife just told a family member that dinner tonight would be at 6.

And that that wasn't a hard 6, but a soft six.

:pervert:

I'm 11 years old :smith:

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

TARDISman posted:

Not if he's the new lovely movie version.

You mean Lex Jr.?

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
This is the "Memes for Horny Bourgeois Teens" guys, right? pro click if so

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Skippy Granola posted:

The poor bastards, God help them if the media starts doing journalism.

The media as a whole has been on Trump's rear end since the inauguration. This will only make them go at him, and the GOP, even harder.

Meanwhile Fox News and its ilk will continue to slip in the ratings since they can't cover the subject that people are eagerly devouring on all the other networks, that is Trump constantly loving up.

And yes 30ish of people will still buy into the GOP anti-media narrative yadda yadda yadda we know so shut up.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
Press briefing with Sanders has started

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/871782329362022400
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/871783021195735040
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/871781381596205056

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



Chilichimp posted:

Unrelated, but my wife just told a family member that dinner tonight would be at 6.

And that that wasn't a hard 6, but a soft six.

:pervert:

I'm 11 years old :smith:

I'm giving that story a hard 5 to a light 6

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
press conference starts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zXGPmu2CtU

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

It's telling that Trump's disaproval is so much higher even when the approval is the same.

And wasn't the fact that Bill won the election in a 3 way race partly to blame for his early low approval ratings? He only won a plurality not a majority of votes right?

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop

I don't get why this strat is dumb, Trump already proved you could rail against fake news and lose the popular vote by three million votes and still win.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

That's so beautiful. At this point, we can trace Trump's stupider moves to petty beefs he's had with people. Obama loved the ACA, so screw that. Hillary was in charge of the State Department, yep let's gut that. Air traffic controllers may have routed planes over his club, let's privatize them.

The secret to getting Trump to do what you want him to do is make another group piss him off. If it wasn't for the Secret Service we could sell range targets with Trump's head at a gun show and Trump would suddenly be pro-gun control.

Stupid Secret Service.

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Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

I don't get why this strat is dumb, Trump already proved you could rail against fake news and lose the popular vote by three million votes and still win.

House and Senate aren't gated by the EC, so...

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