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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Serotonin posted:How can you not know this story? I meant the camp leader's specific circumstances, what he did or didn't do. Not Breivik's attack.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:12
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Nononono they have let Dianne Abbott out
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Jun 5, 2017 18:12
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Trickjaw posted:Nononono they have let Dianne Abbott out Well you tried Labour, you sure tried
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Jun 5, 2017 18:13
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Trickjaw posted:Nononono they have let Dianne Abbott out What's she done now?
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Jun 5, 2017 18:13
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I meant the camp leader's specific circumstances, what he did or didn't do. Not Breivik's attack. Oh fair enough
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Jun 5, 2017 18:14
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Pissflaps posted:Received another pamphlet from the Tories. I'd say that's 3 for them versus one from labour. No personal visits from anybody. Disappointing. I don't think I've ever had a personal visit during any sort of campaign.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:14
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Oh dear me posted:But people thinking of tactically voting LibDem because they previously won or came second in their constituency should remember that their support has massively collapsed since 2010. They're not likely to win anywhere they don't have current MPs, unless there's an informal local arrangement with other parties to help them - so you might as well vote Labour. Getting into second place in former LibDem territory will at least help Labour in elections to come. I would hope these tactical vote calculators are based on 2015, not 2010, though.
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Steve2911 posted:I don't think I've ever had a personal visit during any sort of campaign. I had one in 2015 for labour.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:16
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Steve2911 posted:I don't think I've ever had a personal visit during any sort of campaign. Same. I've had 7 Tory leaflets and 5 Lib Dem. No Labour but then again it's a two horse race here and Labour polled about 8% last election
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Pissflaps posted:What's she done now? Nothing... yet. I think there may be a speech coming on as Amber Rudd is at the Potters field vigil. I was hoping she was bound and gagged in a cupboard at Milbank
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Jun 5, 2017 18:17
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Trickjaw posted:Nononono they have let Dianne Abbott out noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Jun 5, 2017 18:21
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TACD posted:They have a key seats tracker that shows the locations where (for example) the Guardian haven't made a tactical voting recommendation, but otherwise it looks like the other 'tactical voting' sites pretty much agree on where a Lib Dem vote is more helpful. I have observed that there are some who are sufficiently angered by Brexit, that it has become the single, burning issue in this election for them. As such, they are interested only in voting for a party that firmly nails an EU flag to their political mast. I count myself at least partially a member of this camp, believing that having to leave the Single Market will be economically unmanageable for either Labour or the Tories. I have still not ultimately made a decision concerning my vote, and might not until I am standing in the polling booth. Had Brexit not occurred, I would definitely be voting for Labour in this election, like all but one of every other election I have participated in- but I cant seem to shake the Brexit bug from my shoulder.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:27
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Overminty posted:Here is my prediction using my highly scientific methodology. thanks electoral calculus Got it. Oberleutnant posted:My seat predictions: Oberleutnant posted:Oh wit we're doing a charity thing if we're wrong? Put me down for Don't Hate, Donate. Is this an actual entry? If so, do you want me to put 0 for lib dems and 73 for other, and leave you 69 (heh) seats short?
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Jun 5, 2017 18:31
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Lord_Adonis posted:I have observed that there are some who are sufficiently angered by Brexit, that it has become the single, burning issue in this election for them. As such, they are interested only in voting for a party that firmly nails an EU flag to their political mast. I count myself at least partially a member of this camp, believing that having to leave the Single Market will be economically unmanageable for either Labour or the Tories. I have still not ultimately made a decision concerning my vote, and might not until I am standing in the polling booth. Had Brexit not occurred, I would definitely be voting for Labour in this election, like all but one of every other election I have participated in- but I cant seem to shake the Brexit bug from my shoulder. Well, due to FPTP being a lovely system you essentially have the choice between a guaranteed hard Brexit under the Tories or a possible soft Brexit under Labour. So unless you live in Scotland, Northern Ireland or one of the mythical Tory - Lib Dem marginals, it seems more logical to me to go for the not guaranteed to be horrible option.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:32
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I think if Labour won they'd find some way of nullifying Brexit. Or at least getting a deal that makes it so we're basically still in. A stealth non-brexit.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think if Labour won they'd find some way of nullifying Brexit. Or at least getting a deal that makes it so we're basically still in. A stealth non-brexit. Probably not.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think if Labour won they'd find some way of nullifying Brexit. Or at least getting a deal that makes it so we're basically still in. A stealth non-brexit. There is literally no reason to believe this at this point.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:35
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Spangly A posted:the problem is this is a really solid example of what Ronya's talking about here. It is not news to anyone who has studied history that the british, and white people, are fundamentally scum. It's pretty true of all humans, but the british (and whitey) have done really well out of it. But a large, irate, number of voters think that saying mean things is the beginning and end of racism, and genuinely believe that now there are no problems except people blaming white people for things that aren't there. I don't think that the problem is necessarily that you are telling a White person something they don't want to hear (Although I don't know many people of any race who possess the reserves of humility necessary to accept the claim of them being scum at face value, especially if they are a few degrees of separation remote from the source of the scum), rather that when one is called scum, then presumably all things are permissible against that person.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Well, due to FPTP being a lovely system you essentially have the choice between a guaranteed hard Brexit under the Tories or a possible soft Brexit under Labour. So unless you live in Scotland, Northern Ireland or one of the mythical Tory - Lib Dem marginals, it seems more logical to me to go for the not guaranteed to be horrible option. I agree. To be honest, this anti-Brexit, Lib-Dem reflex is as much an act of emotional impulsiveness as a product of rational thought. I realise that the possibility exists of a better and softer Labour Brexit- but the part of me that was angered and aggrieved by the fact that a small majority of my fellow citizens voted to remove my rights as an EU citizen, for no good reason and against my interests, cries out for some kind of demonstration. This attitude is certainly not helpful, considering all of the other electoral issues out there, but it exists nonetheless. Perhaps I should hope for a more rational frame of mind come Thursday?
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Jun 5, 2017 18:40
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ThomasPaine posted:noooooooooooooooooooooooo Thankfully, she hasn't said a peep. But I know someone will shove a camera in her face and she will say something horrendous, and get it wrong. I'm all for keeping on good terms with your exs, even though never managed it but Jezza, you have done enough for that gobshite.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:42
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think if Labour won they'd find some way of nullifying Brexit. Or at least getting a deal that makes it so we're basically still in. A stealth non-brexit.
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/871697195795443716 Slough's been Labour since 1997, but our... poo poo I don't live there any more... their MP is standing down this time around. That shithouse Gervais is from Reading, and can go gently caress himself
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Jun 5, 2017 18:44
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Slough's been Labour since 1997, but our... poo poo I don't live there any more... their MP is standing down this time around. That shithouse Gervais is from Reading, and can go gently caress himself I was just making a joke about The Office tbh. But still at least Gervais is supporting the Right Choice here.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:48
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Got it. Yah do it
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Jun 5, 2017 18:50
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Trickjaw posted:Thankfully, she hasn't said a peep. But I know someone will shove a camera in her face and she will say something horrendous, and get it wrong. I'm all for keeping on good terms with your exs, even though never managed it but Jezza, you have done enough for that gobshite. It's not like she fucks up every time she makes a statement to the press, come on.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:50
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oxford_town posted:no they don't, it even says 95p on the image quoted yes they do. come visit some time and i'll show you e: you could buy one in waitrose if you're too posh to use the tube i guess Cerv fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 18:52
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 Not sure I understand this cartoon from the Times. Is it implying we are done Keeping Calm and Carrying On? Because that seems like a bad thing. This is hilarious on the other hand: 
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Jun 5, 2017 18:54
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namesake posted:It's not like she fucks up every time she makes a statement to the press, come on. Your right. She DID have an afro!
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Jun 5, 2017 18:55
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jabby posted:
Sleeves rolled up, poster turned into a weapon. Going to give those bloody Also Abbott bad. I hope the Corbyn cabinet (?Corbynet) pushes her to a minor role in order to get a few more reliable centrists in. She's a good egg but despite being an MP for decades she's still got a permanent foot in her mouth. *by sending poor people to war to die for us
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Jun 5, 2017 19:00
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Jun 5, 2017 19:02
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think if Labour won they'd find some way of nullifying Brexit. Or at least getting a deal that makes it so we're basically still in. A stealth non-brexit. I doubt Labour are going to look at the Lib Dems crashing and burning with a message of No Brexit and decide to follow their lead.
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Jun 5, 2017 19:05
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Finally, Bloated Waxworks Against Permissiveness decides to mobilise.
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Jun 5, 2017 19:05
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jBrereton posted:Jeremy Corbyn's policies on having a huge investment bank would run afoul of EU (and even EFTA) rules, as I'm sure he's well aware, so I wouldn't bet on it. So I imagine that this would be called into question during the negotiations, and could jeopardise the Soft Brexit option?
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Jun 5, 2017 19:06
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Holy gently caress that party political broadcast for Labour was powerful stuff. Genuinely nearly had me in tears.
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Spangly A posted:the problem is this is a really solid example of what Ronya's talking about here. It is not news to anyone who has studied history that the british, and white people, are fundamentally scum. It's pretty true of all humans, but the british (and whitey) have done really well out of it. But a large, irate, number of voters think that saying mean things is the beginning and end of racism, and genuinely believe that now there are no problems except people blaming white people for things that aren't there. Diane Abbot is really just playing into a frustrating trend amongst the supposed 'left'. People have an instinctive gut reaction when people say 'white people are scum' because they hear it as 'as a white person you are scum'. And really, why wouldn't they? They are angry at having responsibility for the historical processes and interactions of power between various peoples laid at their feet when they, personally, had nothing to do with any of it. The meaning perceived to the listener (gently caress you) is totally different to the meaning intended by the speaker (historical processes have led white people to occupy and defend privileged positions, and therefore a structurally white power structure has emerged and persists to this day). And this is compounded when actually the white person concerned is rarely an elite and reinforces power structures in only the most superficial and incidental way. The whole set-up of 'white people' is also fundamentally flawed because that the hell does 'whiteness' even mean. Was Bobby Sands 'white' when the British Army was subjecting him to appalling treatment in jail while occupying Ireland and harassing its Catholic population? Certainly it's interesting how the use of the term 'fenian' in the Irish context has significant parallels to the term 'friend of the family' in the US one. There's a racialised element at play in both but I'd usually see that as a post-hoc rationalisation of colonialism. An inferior 'race' is any population that becomes colonised - or rather finds itself trampled by the global power structure. Had Africa been predominantly white are we really going to suggest that the slave trade would never have happened? Of course it would have, and the same old justifications and racialisation would take place. By this argument are the poor whites of an industrialised country not racialised - or something similar - in their own way? Losurdo's Liberalism book that is regularly recommended in this thread has a heap of examples of the way the European working class were considered essentially a different species during the 18th and 19th centuries. So really I think moving away from this strange racialised discourse that idpol seems to have latched onto wholesale is a hugely important move, and instead we should focus on appreciating and explaining the actual structures of power behind our social relationships and why, yes, these have let to a situation in which being black makes a person disproportionately likely to be worse off and subject to bigotry. But try doing this amongst the 'woke liberal' brigade and all you get are a heap of people complaining about how little they care about 'white tears' and how privilege needs to be checked etc etc. It's not helpful and it directly plays into the hands of the elites by driving people against one another. And I believe there are almost certainly a few people who do actually get this but are deliberately provocative in their language because they're making a rhetorical point, but it's something to be very careful of. Taunting potential comrades during a period of resurgent fascism is..well dangerous. I guess this also applies to 'men' and 'cis' and whatever too. tldr: idpol sucks guys seriously
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Jun 5, 2017 19:09
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UrbicaMortis posted:I doubt Labour are going to look at the Lib Dems crashing and burning with a message of No Brexit and decide to follow their lead. It looks increasingly like anyone who is hell-bent on maintaining their rights as a citizen of the EU is going to have to think about emigrating to one of the EU 27, whether one is a Tory, Labour or Lib Dem voter. If, like me you lack the funds to emigrate in the near future, then I guess it sucks to be us.
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Oberleutnant posted:Yah do it Cool, done.
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