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Sydin posted:He's a cheating fraud gently caress who stole the MVP from Matt Kemp by shoving needles up his rear end, then wiggled out of it because of a dumb technicality around the delivery of his urine sample. He's also a huge rear end in a top hat who does cool things like openly make fun of a mentally handicapped bat girl while the camera is on him in the dugout. whoah, i didn't hear about this one. link? either way what a loving dick. i can tolerate drug use if it makes my team better cuz that's his body and his choice, but absolutely gently caress anyone who mistreats the disabled or fucks with someone's job to get out of trouble.
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Timby posted:Braun got popped in 2011 for elevated levels of testosterone. In February 2012, he challenged the test on a chain of custody issue (the guy who took the sample, instead of immediately shipping it to the testing facility, kept it in a refrigerator in his basement over the weekend before taking it to FedEx), and actually suggested that the sample-taker was an anti-Semite. Ultimately arbitrator Shyam Das upheld Braun's challenge, saying there was enough validity to the appeal that his suspension was to be overturned. MLB was absolutely livid about it, and actually fired Das over the decision. Wasn't there also something about how the cup had a crack or the bag had a tear or something and he put it in a second bag?
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He also tried to say he was framed by an anti-semitic lab worker who was then fired because of Braun's accusations even though it wasn't true. So yes, gently caress Ryan Braun.
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cis autodrag posted:yeah, i was yelling all last year how stupid it was that they weren't trying to sell him off when he had like 3 months of uninjured high-performance baseball. his trade value hit a high watermark somewhere around last August and they just did nothing with him. probably because his contract is really fuckin big and he's a dick with a reputation for being injury prone. Uh, what?
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Intruder posted:Wasn't there also something about how the cup had a crack or the bag had a tear or something and he put it in a second bag? No, it was that the guy put the piss cup in a plastic container when he stored it in the fridge; Braun suggested that could have contaminated the sample even though the seal was unbroken when the testing facility received it.
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kensei posted:Uh, what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc7ocRVI7AI
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Intruder posted:And then Aaron Rodgers bet to give a fan his salary if Braun had actually taken PEDs, so sure was he that it wasn't true Rodgers was so pissed about what happened that the restaurant they opened together, named "8-twelve" in the MKE suburbs almost promptly got renamed. https://www.eater.com/2013/9/20/6367519/ryan-braun-aaron-rodgers-wisconsin-restaurant-8-twelve-gets-renamed Popete posted:So yes, gently caress Ryan Braun. I was so hoping he was going to get traded last year.
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Who the hell does warm up swings in the dugout?
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Popete posted:Who the hell does warm up swings in the dugout? Not A Team Player
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Kirios posted:Three top 100's and 3 of the top 6 prospects, including the #1 for the Astros wouldn't be enough? Regardless, Martes is doing.... not well, this season so far I'm thinking it would cost something like Paulino/Fisher/Tucker and then a B prospect or two Maybe sub Tucker out for Whitley e: lol if you think Daz moves the needle on any trade at this point as well Intruder fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Also, while there's probably some shitheads around here who will defend Braun as the greatest Brewer ever (somehow forgetting Yount existed), one gets the feeling he's sort of... there for a lot of fans. He's not the face of the franchise anymore (it went from him to Lucroy, and now Thames is), he's always hurt, and his performance has fallen off big time.
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Jun 5, 2017 20:11
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Prince and CC were the greatest Brewers by the strictest definition of the word
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iospace posted:(somehow forgetting Yount existed) How many guys have won an MVP without making the all star game out of curiosity?
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The thing that owned the most about Prince Fielder was when he hit an inside-the-park homerun and the graphic of his baserunning path for it was just a circle.
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Grittybeard posted:How many guys have won an MVP without making the all star game out of curiosity? Ty Cobb didn't make the all star game Of course, they didn't have it when he won MVP ThePeavstenator posted:The thing that owned the most about Prince Fielder was when he hit an inside-the-park homerun and the graphic of his baserunning path for it was just a circle. I totally forgot he did that  I remember the outfielder being pissed saying it got stuck under the fence while Prince just trucks around the bases.
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Grittybeard posted:How many guys have won an MVP without making the all star game out of curiosity? Checked Terry Pendleton on a hunch, and he makes the list. Edit : There's been a few. https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/mlb/the-mvp-s-that-weren-t-all-stars.aspx
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Grittybeard posted:How many guys have won an MVP without making the all star game out of curiosity? Off the top of my head, Chipper in 1999, Morneau in ... 2006?, and I'm almost positive Kirk Gibson got jobbed from the ASG in 1988. And I think Juan Gonzalez sat at home in like 1996 because Brady Anderson had that bonkers "no sir, I absolutely am not juicing" season where he hit 50 dingers out of nowhere.
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cis autodrag posted:whoah, i didn't hear about this one. link? either way what a loving dick. i can tolerate drug use if it makes my team better cuz that's his body and his choice, but absolutely gently caress anyone who mistreats the disabled or fucks with someone's job to get out of trouble. Of course now that I'm looking for it I can't find it. I swear I remember us remarking on it in a GDT last year but I can't find a video or even an article and you'd think that would have raised something of a fuss. Maybe I'm misremembering the situation/player. 
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Poque posted:Heyward still in third among outfielders Just realized the Cubs put 3 corner outfielders on the ballot. Kind of a dick move but I guess there's no  rule you have to put 1 each of LF/CF/RF on the ballot.
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Joey Freshwater posted:Also Honestly I am kind of into this. Get to the meaningful games! (Unless you're Greg Bird or Masahiro Tanaka, then stay in Spring Training forever.)
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sorry for wasting your time, guy who makes like 19 million a year
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I don't defend him as a person, but dude can hit. not when he's missing 100+ games due to injury he can't
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Which he did one time.
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Lol at that player for getting injured. What a loving loser ahahaha.
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The Pussy Boss posted:Lol at that player for getting injured. What a loving loser ahahaha. When that player is Ryan Braun, I am at peace with this
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Poque posted:not when he's missing 100+ games due to injury he can't He has 1,700+ PA's the last three years. He has a top 6 outfielder wRC+ with a minimum of 1700 PA's from 2014-2016. Only 25 other players have 1700+ PA's for the outfield position in that time period. (I know I know arbitrary cut off point in a sense, but he plays a decent amount of time)
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The Pussy Boss posted:Lol at that player for getting injured. What a loving loser ahahaha. I don't think it's irrelevant to bring up his injury concerns over the past four seasons or so. OPS+ is an average stat so it is only impactful in the games he's able to play. I don't remember exactly when the PED event was so I was just looking from 2014 to present (couldn't remember how much of his 2013 was missed due to injury or suspension). 27 + 22 + 27 + 27 is a significant number of games per season to miss when you're supposed to be the big bat in the lineup. his OPS+ has been fine but his highest bWAR in the past four seasons was 4.4 last season. His overall impact has definitely "fallen off big time" when he's sitting at 9.2 combined bWAR across the last 3 1/3 seasons Thom P. Tiers posted:He has 1,700+ PA's the last three years. He has a top 6 outfielder wRC+ with a minimum of 1700 PA's from 2014-2016. Only 25 other players have 1700+ PA's for the outfield position in that time period. (I know I know arbitrary cut off point in a sense, he plays a decent amount of time) that's fine but we're talking about comparative performance for a single player. When healthy he is still an extremely impactful player but you can't just laugh off injury concerns, they add up
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Thom P. Tiers posted:He has 1,700+ PA's the last three years. He has a top 6 outfielder wRC+ with a minimum of 1700 PA's from 2014-2016. Only 25 other players have 1700+ PA's for the outfield position in that time period. I feel like you're missing the key point and that is gently caress Ryan Braun.
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Popete posted:I feel like you're missing the key point and that is gently caress Ryan Braun. I know I know. But all I ever hear is "gently caress Ryan Braun he loving sucks." And the second part just isn't true, at all. Poque posted:that's fine but we're talking about comparative performance for a single player. When healthy he is still an extremely impactful player but you can't just laugh off injury concerns, they add up And I'm arguing the injury concerns aren't as big of a deal as a lot of people make them out to be. Literally only 25 other players got the PA's in the outfield he did. So much for being injured constantly.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I know I know. But all I ever hear is "gently caress Ryan Braun he loving sucks." And the second part just isn't true, at all. From what I'm reading, he happens to suck at being a decent person.
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no one is saying he loving sucks as a baseball player he loving sucks as a human being how is this difficult to understand
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Kirios posted:no one is saying he loving sucks as a baseball player "he's always hurt, and his performance has fallen off big time" Also, I'm from in between Milwaukee and Chicago and can confirm that I hear all the god drat time that "Ryan Braun sucks at baseball" from both Brewers and Cubs fans. Which is why I go on and on about how I think Ryan Braun is actually a pretty drat good hitter. Sorry for the derail. He sucks a bunch (as a human).
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lol all I did at the start of this was say he can't hit when he's injured as a joke, because you brought up OPS+ to prove that he is effective the joke is: when he is hurt he literally can't swing a bat jesus christ
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Poque posted:I don't think it's irrelevant to bring up his injury concerns over the past four seasons or so. OPS+ is an average stat so it is only impactful in the games he's able to play. I don't remember exactly when the PED event was so I was just looking from 2014 to present (couldn't remember how much of his 2013 was missed due to injury or suspension). 27 + 22 + 27 + 27 is a significant number of games per season to miss when you're supposed to be the big bat in the lineup. holy loving poo poo stop the presses
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The Astros are good and likable unlike Ryan Braun who qualifies for only one of those
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Intruder posted:The Astros are good and likable unlike Ryan Braun who qualifies for only one of those Hey man we already talked about this he's not likable
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