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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pissflaps posted:If you want to win an election then campaigning in marginals is more useful than campaigning in seats you hold with a 15,000 majority. The impact of a leader's visit to a seat is pretty negligible to be honest. A few people will notice but not nearly enough. Usually it's just a pain in the rear end for the campaign team.
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Pissflaps posted:Is there any evidence that this is true or are you assuming it is because you find the spectacle impressive? Like literally all of political history and marketing? I mean I may be a filthy communist but I hear there's something to advertising and portraying your product as fun and exciting Vs bland and tasteless. So yeah I think it's better to draw huge, friendly crowds to cheer your speech than a shed full of red faced hand picked sycophants. Pissflaps posted:If you want to win an election then campaigning in marginals is more useful than campaigning in seats you hold with a 15,000 majority. Are you aware of this invention called the television?
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Baron Corbyn posted:the Lib Dem candidate in my seat (Swansea East) was based in loving London. Hey, a Jack! Reminder that the Tories beat Labour by 27 votes in Gower last time if you feel like helping out (I'm Swansea West but like gently caress we can lose here, the Tory candidate's more English than I am) e: Zalakwe posted:The impact of a leader's visit to a seat is pretty negligible to be honest. A few people will notice but not nearly enough. Usually it's just a pain in the rear end for the campaign team. e2: loving votes, not seats, our electoral system's not perfect but I'm pretty sure the Gower can get by with 1 MP Borrovan fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:If you want to win an election then campaigning in marginals is more useful than campaigning in seats you hold with a 15,000 majority. That applies to on-the-ground campaigning, but the leader is kind of a special case. What they do tends to be broadcast, so when they are giving interviews/speeches/rallies it matters less where they do it and more what they do. It's the difference between the so-called 'air war' and 'ground war'.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:14
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So the idea is that people in marginals watch Jeremy do a speech in front of people who agree with him, and they feel compelled to vote for him too. I see. Not long to go until we find out if that has worked.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:14
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Uh oh they let her on the telly https://twitter.com/Sheffman2/status/871810508705472516
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Jun 5, 2017 21:18
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Pissflaps posted:So the idea is that people in marginals watch Jeremy do a speech in front of people who agree with him, and they feel compelled to vote for him too. I see. Yeah gently caress it, let's show the leader doing a speech in a shed in front of one bored guy. That'll have the same effect. I mean really, do you not understand why every politician goes out of their way to show they are surrounded by approving crowds at every appearance, even if they aren't? The only difference between Jeremy and everyone else is that he can actually draw a big crowd.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:18
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jabby posted:Yeah gently caress it, let's show the leader doing a speech in a shed in front of one bored guy. That'll have the same effect. Not sure how big the crowd is tbh I haven't actually seen it on telly anywhere. Have you?
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Jun 5, 2017 21:20
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jabby posted:Yeah gently caress it, let's show the leader doing a speech in a shed in front of one bored guy. That'll have the same effect. It's not going to win an election though. Now Corbyn walking into the Tory heartlands to be berated by some tweed wearing, bloated, angry bald man and his WASP wife who thinks that pain was a myth invented by poor people, that'll win the votes.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:21
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's not going to win an election though. Does your sarcasm mean you think it will win an election?
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Jun 5, 2017 21:22
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Pissflaps posted:Does your sarcasm mean you think it will win an election? I think Corbyn's more likely to be PM than Ed Miliband, and at the very least will win more votes.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:24
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Oberleutnant posted:I guess because McDonnell riles tories up too much. Better to keep his head down until after a hypothetical win, maybe? I'm willing to bet Crosby had stacks of attack lines sorted out for McDonnell and Abbott and keeping them out of the limelight has defanged him.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:24
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Oberleutnant posted:https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/871646798863097856 They really are. https://twitter.com/EssOpie/status/871822902114619392
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Jun 5, 2017 21:24
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Gonzo McFee posted:I think Corbyn's more likely to be PM than Ed Miliband, and at the very least will win more votes. Hmm so more seats and more votes. Brave.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:26
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Plus there's a massive correlation between enthusiasm and turnout, and the party leader doing a speech in front of a huge and rapturous crowd is about the best way to generate enthusiasm there is.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:26
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how the gently caress are they not keeping her away from the press for another 2 days lol
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Jun 5, 2017 21:26
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Oberleutnant posted:https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/871646798863097856 wait shippersunbound is the editor of the times? 
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Jun 5, 2017 21:27
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Gonzo McFee posted:They really are. I loving wish we'd had Corbynite Pravda the last two years.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:29
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i think jeremy corbyn is a swell chap and i hope he gets lots of votes on vote day
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https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/871823542735785985 cant explain why i love these so much
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Lovechop posted:https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/871823542735785985 lol
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Angepain posted:i think jeremy corbyn is a swell chap and i hope he gets lots of votes on vote day He'll get lots votes. Millions in fact. Just wont be anywhere near enough.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:32
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Jun 5, 2017 21:32
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Hmm starting to see what jabby and gonzo meant about those big crowd visuals being important.
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Pissflaps posted:Hmm starting to see what jabby and gonzo meant about those big crowd visuals being important. I just hadn't realised he'd met you.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:36
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Corbyn is remarkably human and likeable.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:37
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Pissflaps posted:Hmm so more seats and more votes. Brave. I said votes. I'm under no illusions that the election will be decided on youth turnout and that's a big gamble. However we were talking about the importance of visuals to politics. And since the last election was decided on Ed Miliband looking like a loving geek who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich, got shouted down by a shampoo saleswoman and stuttered saying "Hell yeah I'm tough enough" to Paxman I don't think that you can underestimate the power of visuals. Looking like you can do the job is a huge part of getting the job, especially amongst the young who need enthusiasm and excitement to get involved.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:39
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Skinty McEdger posted:Corbyn is remarkably human and likeable. Dangerous and Unacceptable, do you want someone like him to take you back to the bad old days? is he strong and stable?!
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Jun 5, 2017 21:40
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Gonzo McFee posted:I said votes. I'm under no illusions that the election will be decided on youth turnout and that's a big gamble. You also said he's more likely to be prime minister than Miliband. How can he be more likely and still lose seats?
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double nine posted:could be neat/useful to persuade your co-worker tory maybe perhaps  Oh dear.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:41
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Gonzo McFee posted:I said votes. I'm under no illusions that the election will be decided on youth turnout and that's a big gamble. "Look the part, be the part, motherfucker"
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Pissflaps posted:You also said he's more likely to be prime minister than Miliband. How can he be more likely and still lose seats? Lib Dem fightback.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:46
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Pissflaps posted:You also said he's more likely to be prime minister than Miliband. How can he be more likely and still lose seats? I reckon Jez will win seats. I'm far more confident that he'll get more votes than Ed Miliband. But the Tories have absorbed UKIP through Brexit and that's a whore of a mountain to climb since at the last GE that was aprox 50% of the vote. At least big Jez didn't go anti Brexit like some liberal know nothings were saying he should do. We'd be polling level with the lib dems if he'd done that.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:47
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Lovechop posted:https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/871823542735785985 https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/854773612292788224
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Gonzo McFee posted:I reckon Jez will win seats. I'm far more confident that he'll get more votes than Ed Miliband. OK but this doesn't support the claim that Milliband has more chance of being PM than Corbyn. Seems to me that whoever gets closer to the finishing line had the better chance. I suppose we'll find out on Friday. Gonzo McFee posted:At least big Jez didn't go anti Brexit like some liberal know nothings were saying he should do. We'd be polling level with the lib dems if he'd done that. Again, we'll find out on Friday how effective following a 'me-too' Brexit platform has been.
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Jun 5, 2017 21:51
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Going back a few days (I've been away) but who was the guy who thought that Wargames was pro-nuclear weapons again
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Borrovan posted:Hey, a Jack! I would but I don't live in the UK. It feels kinda lovely being halfway across the world and not being able to do as much as I'd like. Gonzo McFee posted:I reckon Jez will win seats. I'm far more confident that he'll get more votes than Ed Miliband. he'll do the latter easily, but he could be gaining 5-10 points on what Ed got and still lose seats.
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Pissflaps posted:OK but this doesn't support the claim that Milliband has more chance of being PM than Corbyn. Seems to me that whoever gets closer to the finishing line had the better chance. I suppose we'll find out on Friday. Good thing I didn't claim that.
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