UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I think the only BBC thing I have any use for is the orchestra. Radio's crap, TV's crap, political coverage is crap to actively harmful.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:06

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# ? May 14, 2024 15:24

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

peanut- posted:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/

This is very negative about on-the-ground experience in the north vs what polls are saying. All worth reading, but this part jumped out:

this is grim

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:06

Snipee: Mar 27, 2010

Only good news that I see from the Conservatives keeping their majority or expanding their majority is that they would be fully responsible for the inevitably disastrous Brexit negotiations. Of course, Labour might still fail to win the next election regardless. What a stupid world.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:07

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Jose posted:

this is grim

Well it is grim up north

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:07

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

https://twitter.com/HichamYezza/status/871719118109650944

:wtc:

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:07

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

In not surprised the Tories are targeting don valley, it falls neatly into the bracket of seats that voted leave where the combined Tory+UKIP vote would exceed the Labour vote share (slimly in this case) which was always considered a bracket of Tory targets

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:08

Kill All Cops: Apr 11, 2007; Pacheco de Chocobo; Hell Gem

I am the Average British Citizen and I love paying the license fee to watch some top notch telly such as The One Show

My favourite comedian is Michael Macintyre

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:08

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

https://twitter.com/HichamYezza/status/871719118109650944

liberals being poo poo to socialist candidate, absolute shocker

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:10

thehappyprince: Apr 4, 2006; Alastair Cock

Snipee posted:

Only good news that I see from the Conservatives keeping their majority or expanding their majority is that they would be fully responsible for the inevitably disastrous Brexit negotiations. Of course, Labour might still fail to win the next election regardless. What a stupid world.

the tories could walk us into an apocalypse and this country would still vote for them because they have the vast majority of the media on their side.

nothing's going to change here until the media does unfortunately.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:10

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Hey I don't get it either but a lot of tories seemed to be erotically fond of the old bag.

I mean, probably not any more. What with the rotting and all. Most of them, anyway.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:11

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

Just made a complaint about that dp terrorism thing, and you all should do. Heads should be rolling for that.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:14

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

kustomkarkommando posted:

In not surprised the Tories are targeting don valley, it falls neatly into the bracket of seats that voted leave where the combined Tory+UKIP vote would exceed the Labour vote share (slimly in this case) which was always considered a bracket of Tory targets

Yeah, for reference, the results of that constituency in 2015:

Labour: 46.2
Con: 25.3
UKIP: 23.5

The fact is that we live in a post-Brexit climate and there will probably be some big upsets going both ways on the night.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:16

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Jippa posted:

It does seem a bit weird having an election now. I'm not suggesting they do any thing differently.

If your election lasts longer than two ~~hours~~ months, consult your doctor.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:20

Mugsbaloney: Jul 11, 2012; We prefer your extinction to the loss of our job

Jakabite posted:

Just made a complaint about that dp terrorism thing, and you all should do. Heads should be rolling for that.

Do you have a form link?

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:22

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
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I AM THERESA MAY

Jakabite posted:

Just made a complaint about that dp terrorism thing, and you all should do. Heads should be rolling for that.

Mugsbaloney posted:

Do you have a form link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/

e: lol, Lib Dems have been complaining about that Andrew Neil interview with Tim Farron. "Our party leader was treated like a petulant child for no better reason than acting like a petulant child, this cannot be!"

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jun 6, 2017

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:23

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Dear BBC, I find your programming to be deeply counterrevolutionary, please adjust your broadcasting to promote socialism in future, thankyou.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:26

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Lady Galaga posted:

I am the Average British Citizen and I love paying the license fee to watch some top notch telly such as The One Show

My favourite comedian is Michael Macintyre

I don't have a television licence. A Man turned up demanding I get one, I told him that I don't need one and he got all overly aggressive and said he would report me for being "a thief" and I told him good luck with that I don't own a Televison, PC, TV aerial or sky dish. He left looking a bit sheepish.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:27

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

Borrovan posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/

e: lol, Lib Dems have been complaining about that Andrew Neil interview with Tim Farron. "Our party leader was treated like a petulant child for no better reason than acting like a petulant child, this cannot be!"

Cheers. It really is staggering. If relish the opportunity to sit down in a room with the producer and ask them what the gently caress they were thinking.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:27

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

peanut- posted:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/

This is very negative about on-the-ground experience in the north vs what polls are saying. All worth reading, but this part jumped out:

It's Labour Uncut. Of course it's negative; it's Luke Akehurst's "skewed polls for Blairites" site.

It may turn out to be right in this case but it would be purely coincidence, not down to the author having any actual clue what he's talking about. His methodology of ignoring professional polls in favour of hand picked anecdotes from people he knows in the Labour party doesn't have a good record.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:29

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

peanut- posted:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/

This is very negative about on-the-ground experience in the north vs what polls are saying. All worth reading, but this part jumped out:

The Labour right are well known for overreacting to negative doorstep reactions. They claimed we were going to lose Oldham to UKIP.

That said, even YouGov's projection shows the Tories gaining ground in the North.

In other news

quote:

Oh, goodness me. Well, I suppose� gosh. Do you know, I�m not quite sure. I can�t think what the naughtiest thing�
Well, nobody is ever perfectly behaved, are they? I have to confess, when me and my friend, sort of, used to run through the fields of wheat, the farmers weren�t too pleased about that.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:30

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

dispatch_async posted:

It's Labour Uncut. Of course it's negative; it's Luke Akehurst's "skewed polls for Blairites" site.

It may turn out to be right in this case but it would be purely coincidence, not down to the author having any actual clue what he's talking about. His methodology of ignoring professional polls in favour of hand picked anecdotes from people he knows in the Labour party doesn't have a good record.

Based on my sample size of 3, this indicates that Jeremy Corbyn is going to...win???

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:31

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Yeah, for reference, the results of that constituency in 2015:

Labour: 46.2
Con: 25.3
UKIP: 23.5

The fact is that we live in a post-Brexit climate and there will probably be some big upsets going both ways on the night.

Also I'm pretty sure its one of the 20 odd seats UKIP aren't contesting

I think it's 20ish?

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:32

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Is that May admitting to loving up people's crops for shits and giggles, because whoever that was just pissed off a suprising amount of people in the countryside.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:33

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

learnincurve posted:

Is that May admitting to loving up people's crops for shits and giggles, because whoever that was just pissed off a suprising amount of people in the countryside.

What are you talking about?

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:34

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

kustomkarkommando posted:

Also I'm pretty sure its one of the 20 odd seats UKIP aren't contesting

I think it's 20ish?

I think it's more like 200.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:34

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Barry Foster posted:

God, I just want this all to be over already so I can get back to good old fashioned standard despondency.

This is a really good post, my dude. Can I share it around a bit outside UKMT? I think a lot of people might find it an interesting take.

Course dude

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:36

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

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NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

peanut- posted:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/

This is very negative about on-the-ground experience in the north vs what polls are saying. All worth reading, but this part jumped out:

Labour Uncut are not to be trusted at all, they have never shown actual sources and have been anti-Corbyn from the get go. In my East Midlands constituency we have seen a lot of really positive responses on the doorstep as people actually feel like Labour are offering something different.

Just a reminder to check out Labour Uncut's blog likes:

quote:

Alastair Campbell
All that's left
Anthony Painter
Beau Bo D'or
Blackburn Labour
Chicken Yoghurt
Coffee House
Compass
Conservative Home
Dan McCurry
Dave Howells Illustration
Diary of a benefit scrounger
Evening Standard Politics
First Drafts: Prospect blog
Follow my leaders
FT Westminster
Guardian Live Blog
Guido Fawkes
Hopi Sen
Huffington Post
Iain Dale
Kate Williams
Kerry McCarthy
Kevin Maguire
Kezia Dugdale
Labour List
Labour Values
Left Foot Forward
Left Futures
Liberal Conspiracy
London Young Labour
Luke Akehurst
New Statesman
Next Left
Peter Wheeler
Political Betting
Political Promise
Political Scrapbook
Pragmatic Radicalism
Progress
Roberta Blackman-Woods
Scarlet Standard
SMF Market Square
Speaker's Chair
The Centre Left
The Daily Beast
The Daily Mash
Though Cowards Flinch
Tom Harris
Tom Watson
Total Politics

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:38

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

Jakabite posted:

Cheers. It really is staggering. If relish the opportunity to sit down in a room with the producer and ask them what the gently caress they were thinking.

Robbie Gibb is the brother of a Tory MP, previously chief of staff to Tory MP Francis Maud, and previously vice-chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students.

I imagine his thinking is something along the lines of "more money for me; gently caress you"

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:38

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

ThomasPaine posted:

Course dude

Cheers man.

Also, this last page. We're hosed, aren't we

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:38

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Barry Foster posted:

Cheers man.

Also, this last page. We're hosed, aren't we

Yes but the election won't change that whatever the result.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:41

peanut-: Feb 17, 2004; Fun Shoe

MikeCrotch posted:

Labour Uncut are not to be trusted at all, they have never shown actual sources and have been anti-Corbyn from the get go. In my East Midlands constituency we have seen a lot of really positive responses on the doorstep as people actually feel like Labour are offering something different.

Just a reminder to check out Labour Uncut's blog likes:

Fair enough, I didn't really know about the source. I think the point about where Theresa May is campaigning being an indicator that the Tories know more than the rest of us is probably still a fair one though.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:41

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Barry Foster posted:

Cheers man.

Also, this last page. We're hosed, aren't we

I am fluctuating between hope and despair in a way that cannot be doing my insides any good

E: I'm still consoling myself by remembering how badly everyone got it wrong on trump and actually this election is mirroring that one in some pretty important respects.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:41

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Junior G-man posted:

What are you talking about?

Baron Corbyn's quote. I am assuming it was May because it was garbled and they didn't apologise. Youths messing around in crop fields is seen as vandalism. Not that it will make a difference because of the voter demographics in the green bits.

People get annoyed by different things, not closing gates and public rights of way is a much bigger issue than immigration if you live on a farm.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:43

Killed By Death: Jun 29, 2013

Junior G-man posted:

What are you talking about?

I assume this (unnamed*) quote from Baron Corbyn a few posts up -

quote:

Oh, goodness me. Well, I suppose� gosh. Do you know, I�m not quite sure. I can�t think what the naughtiest thing�
Well, nobody is ever perfectly behaved, are they? I have to confess, when me and my friend, sort of, used to run through the fields of wheat, the farmers weren�t too pleased about that.

*A quick Google reveals it is in fact May

E:F,b

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:43

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

ThomasPaine posted:

I am fluctuating between hope and despair in a way that cannot be doing my insides any good

E: I'm still consoling myself by remembering how badly everyone got it wrong on trump and actually this election is mirroring that one in some pretty important respects.

Dehumanise yourself and face to a sizeable Tory majority.

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:44

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

learnincurve posted:

People get annoyed by different things, not closing gates and public rights of way is a much bigger issue than immigration if you live on a farm.

Seasonal labour is a massive, huge issue in farm communities at the moment. Never mind that they'll majority vote for Brexit and May though :ughh:

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:45

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

I would argue that walkers not closing gates still annoys farmers more

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:48

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Pissflaps posted:

My personal modelling shows an 80 seat Tory majority.

As in 430-ish total seats, or do you mean an 80-seat lead?

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:50

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Junior G-man posted:

Seasonal labour is a massive, huge issue in farm communities at the moment. Never mind that they'll majority vote for Brexit and May though

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/05/farmers-feeling-increasingly-gloomy-about-future-ahead-of-brexit-says-nfu

quote:

Despite overwhelmingly being in support of leaving the EU at the Brexit referendum, farmers are increasingly gloomy now that they are staring down the reality of what leaving will entail.

In two years, confidence levels on the outlook for the next three years, as measured by the National Farmers� Union (NFU), have plummeted to just above zero from a high of 19 points on the positive side, in the wake of the general election being called and Brexit being set.

The NFU takes regular soundings of its members and measures their confidence on a scale of 0-100 positive and 0-100 negative points, with zero representing a neutral outlook.

Data on farmers� investment intentions adds to the gloom. One in five farmers said they were reducing their investment, while only half that number were planning to increase their investments in the next year, as a result of the EU referendum.

�Farmer confidence is absolutely critical to the future of a profitable and productive food and farming sector,� said Meurig Raymond, president of the NFU, warning it was a red flag to the incoming government. �In such a period of uncertainty politically, we need politicians to fully understand the impact this lack of clarity is having economically.�

Farmers were among the staunchest supporters of leaving the EU, despite their dependence on subsidies of up to �3bn (�2.5bn) they receive each year. Rural voters opted in large numbers to leave the EU in most of the country, excluding Scotland, Northern Ireland and parts of Wales.

Before the referendum, many farmers told the Guardian they preferred to be outside the EU despite the lack of certainty on future subsidies, because they disliked EU regulations or were confident the UK could compete independently with other countries.

However, since the referendum farmers have also raised concerns that the end of free movement and the single market could be severe blows to business. Tens of thousands of migrant workers, mostly from former Eastern Europe, are required seasonally for harvesting, and the majority of the UK�s food and farming export trade is with the EU. The loss of the former will raise costs and if farmers are penalised by EU trade tariffs, their exports are likely to suffer markedly.

lol get rekt farmers

Shame we'll all get rekt too what with higher food prices

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:50

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# ? May 14, 2024 15:24

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

ThomasPaine posted:

I am fluctuating between hope and despair in a way that cannot be doing my insides any good

E: I'm still consoling myself by remembering how badly everyone got it wrong on trump and actually this election is mirroring that one in some pretty important respects.

The gods of fickle fortune only work on the side of evil, I'm afraid

# ? Jun 6, 2017 10:51

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