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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
This poll is closed.
Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice
Can't say I paid much attention to things in 2015, but did Miliband ever attract crowds like this?




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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

TheRat posted:

Don't we all? Before I pretty much stopped using Facebook I decided to start deleting 'friends' who were openly racist. I removed like 100 people I knew fairly well in the space of a few months.

I'm pretty lucky because where I live the racists learned to shut up and keep it to themselves or get the poo poo kicked out of them. Even after the 7/7 bombings my school saw you more likely to get punched for Islamophobia than being Muslim.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Gort posted:

That Yougov model just goes to show how ultimately hosed-up our political system is. SNP gets 4% of the vote, and gets 46 MPs. Lib Dems get 9% of the vote, and get 12 MPs. Twice the voters. A quarter of the representation.

Fake edit: gently caress, that's not even the worst of it. UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all, while Plaid Cymru gets 0% of the vote and gets twice the MPs the Greens get on 2%

UKIP got 12.7% of the vote and 1 MP in 2015 :v:

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

xtothez posted:

Can't say I paid much attention to things in 2015, but did Miliband ever attract crowds like this?





No, but Michael Foot did.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

TheRat posted:

UKIP got 12.7% of the vote and 1 MP in 2015 :v:

Sometimes the system works!

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

Survation's online and phone polls were similar.

...aren't you taking the opposite tac from usual with this?

I mean, yes, Survation are favourable for Labour but that's because of youth turnout assumptions and aren't MRP model predictions.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Gort posted:

UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all
the system works

e;fb

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jBrereton posted:

No, but Michael Foot did.

How can he lose with support like this?



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Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Tesseraction posted:

...aren't you taking the opposite tac from usual with this?

I mean, yes, Survation are favourable for Labour but that's because of youth turnout assumptions and aren't MRP model predictions.

I don't know how many times the 82% turnout has been stated in this thread, it was bullshit

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

xtothez posted:

Can't say I paid much attention to things in 2015, but did Miliband ever attract crowds like this?

jBrereton posted:

No, but Michael Foot did.

Why not bring up the more crushing historical parallel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Rally

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Tesseraction posted:

...aren't you taking the opposite tac from usual with this?

I mean, yes, Survation are favourable for Labour but that's because of youth turnout assumptions and aren't MRP model predictions.

Reminder that the fabled youth turnout prediction isn't actually a thing. YouGov predicts 50% 18-24 turnout.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

MikeCrotch posted:

"A population is easier to manage when it is divided. Labour and Tory should unite for the common good then the public would be harder to manipulate as the press wouldn't be biased anymore. By having people argue between one another and take sides between them leaves no room for progressive conversations and listening."

Why can't everyone just get in a room together and sort it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaht
It's like the idea is there's this one sensible approach that everyone secretly agrees on but they have to pretend to disagree because otherwise there'd be nothing for the Today programme to fill airtime with or something. Like an actual disagreement about how to run the country is impossible so it must all be an elaborate charade.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Raeg posted:

I don't know how many times the 82% turnout has been stated in this thread, it was bullshit

TheRat posted:

Reminder that the fabled youth turnout prediction isn't actually a thing. YouGov predicts 50% 18-24 turnout.

I know the 82% is, but the negative polls aren't far removed from the 50% that Survation has.

I'm hoping the polls are wrong to Labour's benefit but despite not buying into this thread's "Hope is a Lie" narrative, I'm trying to, for want of not being played out by its music on Thursday, curb my enthusiasm.


communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I'm trying to stream Tayor Swift's hit album "1989" on my phone, but the 4g reception in my office is garbage so It keeps hanging and not buffering.
What will Jeremy Corbyn do to ensure that 4g (and beyond) is accessible on every square inch of this disgusting, benighted island, so that I'm never left without upbeat girlpop to protect my ears from the wretched mewling of my hated countrymen?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Tesseraction posted:

...aren't you taking the opposite tac from usual with this?

I mean, yes, Survation are favourable for Labour but that's because of youth turnout assumptions and aren't MRP model predictions.

What do you mean opposite tac?

Yougov and Survation are offering similar polling figures and I believe both use self reported likelihood of voting when weighting for turnout.

That tweet includes both a poll and YouGov's model forecast, doesn't it?



Edit: I see yes it's a poll derived from their model, which is itself derived from polling data.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Back to "This can't possibly be legal, right?"


(Notice the small text on the bottom, it's printed by a local Tory candidate)

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

analphabetic posted:

Just had a look on Facebook, and.... it seems to be full of people posting stuff about the mayor of London being a terrorist supporter.

The usual right wing groups that hide in plain sight with their "like this post if you support our troops or love adorable puppies" stuff have been posting poo poo for the last two days about "Khan's links to ISIS." All of it bollocks, but it's presented in that bullshit "this is common knowledge" way and references a circular group of right wing websites that all reference each other and so ignorant people are biting. It's infuriating as ever

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Just on a whim, I worked out what numbers of seats the parties would be on if they got the same vote share as Yougov is suggesting they might, and we had proportional representation:

Con: 273
Lab: 247
LD: 58
UKIP: 26
SNP: 26
Green: 13

Can you loving imagine living in that world?

Gort fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jun 6, 2017

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm trying to stream Tayor Swift's hit album "1989" on my phone, but the 4g reception in my office is garbage so It keeps hanging and not buffering.
What will Jeremy Corbyn do to ensure that 4g (and beyond) is accessible on every square inch of this disgusting, benighted island, so that I'm never left without upbeat girlpop to protect my ears from the wretched mewling of my hated countrymen?

Labour Manifesto posted:

We will deliver universal superfast broadband availability by 2022. Labour will improve mobile internet coverage and expand provision of free public wi-fi in city centres and on public transport. We will improve 4G coverage and invest to ensure all urban areas, as well as major roads and railways, have uninterrupted 5G coverage. On day one we will instruct the National Infrastructure Commission to report on how to roll out "ultrafast" (3000bps) across the UK within the next decade.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Gort posted:

Just on a whim, I worked out what numbers of seats the parties would be on if they got the same vote share as Yougov is suggesting they might, and we had proportional representation:

Con: 273
Lab: 247
LD: 58
UKIP: 26
SNP: 26
Green: 13

Can you loving imagine living in that world?

Guarrgh I read the numbers before scanning and seeing "proportional represenation"

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Protective bolding added to post to protect the innocent

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/872075723393126402

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Gort posted:

That Yougov model just goes to show how ultimately hosed-up our political system is. SNP gets 4% of the vote, and gets 46 MPs. Lib Dems get 9% of the vote, and get 12 MPs. Twice the voters. A quarter of the representation.

Fake edit: gently caress, that's not even the worst of it. UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all, while Plaid Cymru gets 0% of the vote and gets twice the MPs the Greens get on 2%

it's a reward for achieving broad local support, and yet not rewarding any energies put toward propping up an intense fiefdom

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



TheRat posted:

Back to "This can't possibly be legal, right?"


(Notice the small text on the bottom, it's printed by a local Tory candidate)

That text has to be there by electoral law. This is a crap leaflet. In London it will backfire.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

HOWS HE GOING TO PAY FOR IT!!?!?? :byodood:

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



e:f/b

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Cmon ronya say something more tedious, I know you got it in you

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

quote:

On day one we will instruct the National Infrastructure Commission to report on how to roll out "ultrafast" (3000bps) across the UK within the next decade.
Corbyn really is going to take us back to the 70s :ohdear:

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Corbyn really is going to take us back to the 70s :ohdear:

Haha wow what the hell - yeah that's a transcription error from the PDF.

It's meant to be 300 Mbs which is much less shabby.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

How can he lose with support like this?



You're so loving desperate that he doesn't win. Notice the two people on this page who wet blankets about any perceived achievement by Corbyn. Oh it's the two that really dislike him.

Both of you are trash and should gently caress off to the Tories.

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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Gort posted:

That Yougov model just goes to show how ultimately hosed-up our political system is. SNP gets 4% of the vote, and gets 46 MPs. Lib Dems get 9% of the vote, and get 12 MPs. Twice the voters. A quarter of the representation.

Fake edit: gently caress, that's not even the worst of it. UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all, while Plaid Cymru gets 0% of the vote and gets twice the MPs the Greens get on 2%

Plaid get 0.5% of seats with 0.6% of the vote so its actually roughly proportion

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




Gort posted:

That Yougov model just goes to show how ultimately hosed-up our political system is. SNP gets 4% of the vote, and gets 46 MPs. Lib Dems get 9% of the vote, and get 12 MPs. Twice the voters. A quarter of the representation.

Fake edit: gently caress, that's not even the worst of it. UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all, while Plaid Cymru gets 0% of the vote and gets twice the MPs the Greens get on 2%

Getting rid of FPTP would have cost £350m and killed all the babies.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Regarde Aduck posted:

You're so loving desperate that he doesn't win. Notice the two people on this page who wet blankets about any perceived achievement by Corbyn. Oh it's the two that really dislike him.

Both of you are trash and should gently caress off to the Tories.

I'm not sure if telling labour voters to vote Tory is a path to electoral success. Especially ones in marginals.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Mind you I took a looksie at that Sheffield Rally and lol they spent £100k and 18 months to prepare it.

Corbyn's had at most a month to plan his and unlikely paid much at all.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

xtothez posted:

Can't say I paid much attention to things in 2015, but did Miliband ever attract crowds like this?






No. Jezza came on a surprise visit to my constituency on what was supposed to be a low-key invite only event for CLP members. Word got out and a crowd of a few hundred people were there to greet him, so the doors got opened to everyone :kimchi: Even then, there were people waiting outside because the hall got filled.

People in my local Labour party say that we've quadrupled the number of people helping out on the campaign, enabling us to do poo poo like canvass 1% of the entire constituency in one day and get out 10,000 leaflets in three.

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm trying to stream Tayor Swift's hit album "1989" on my phone, but the 4g reception in my office is garbage so It keeps hanging and not buffering.
What will Jeremy Corbyn do to ensure that 4g (and beyond) is accessible on every square inch of this disgusting, benighted island, so that I'm never left without upbeat girlpop to protect my ears from the wretched mewling of my hated countrymen?

Why are you not listening to Emotion by Carly Rae Jepsen I used to loving respect you

Taylor Swift smdh

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

STV would be the obvious pr-lite solution but considering historic party dynamics you might get some weirdness - imagine "vote SNP twice" but played out with three lab/con candidates a piece contesting a five seater

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
Yeah it's tiring reading the constant posts taking obvious smug glee in anything that might be bad for Corbyn, followed by the occasional disingenuous 'oo but I do hope I'm wrong!' No one loving believes you. You don't want Labour to win but you just can't bring yourself to admit that you're a Tory. It's laughable, especially when you spend such a significant proportion of you're life in this thread.

Anyway, youth debate tonight. I submitted a question about shoot to kill, basically summing up what it actually is (summary execution of suspected terrorists posing no active threat with no attempt to arrest), and then asking if in light of this the panel supports such a policy?

E: if it wasn't obvious that first paragraph was directed at Pissflaps.

E2: and if some internet strangers telling you to gently caress off with being a disingenuous prick is enough to make you change your vote then just lol, get some principles.

Jakabite fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jun 6, 2017

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Gort posted:

Fake edit: gently caress, that's not even the worst of it. UKIP gets the same vote share as the SNP, but gets no MPs at all,
in 2015 UKIP got 13% and one MP; SNP got 5% and 56 MPs

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

TheRat posted:

Don't we all? Before I pretty much stopped using Facebook I decided to start deleting 'friends' who were openly racist. I removed like 100 people I knew fairly well in the space of a few months.

nope

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Jakabite posted:

Yeah it's tiring reading the constant posts taking obvious smug glee in anything that might be bad for Corbyn, followed by the occasional disingenuous 'oo but I do hope I'm wrong!' No one loving believes you. You don't want Labour to win but you just can't bring yourself to admit that you're a Tory. It's laughable, especially when you spend such a significant proportion of you're life in this thread.

I'm a lifelong labour voter and I'll be voting labour again this election to help them form a government.

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