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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Based on advice itt I'm going to vote Tory even though the candidate looks like a knob.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm a lifelong labour voter and I'll be voting labour again this election to help them form a government. Righto pal
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Jun 6, 2017 15:38
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Jun 6, 2017 15:39
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MikeCrotch posted:No. Jezza came on a surprise visit to my constituency on what was supposed to be a low-key invite only event for CLP members. Word got out and a crowd of a few hundred people were there to greet him, so the doors got opened to everyone I am at present unfamiliar with the oeuvre of Ms Carly Rae Jepsen, but will investigate her body of work forthwith.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:39
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Even then, there were people waiting outside because the hall got filled.
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sassassin posted:Based on advice itt I'm going to vote Tory even though the candidate looks like a knob. You could always write in a vote for UKIP or the corpse of Enoch Powell
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Jun 6, 2017 15:40
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By write in of course I mean scrawl with a PERMANENT marker
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Jun 6, 2017 15:41
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Jakabite posted:Righto pal Would you rather I didn't vote labour?
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Jun 6, 2017 15:41
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jBrereton posted:No, but Michael Foot did. Michael Foot also polled 15 points behind the Tories because of the loving SDP/Liberal Alliance dickheads.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:41
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I'm swinging wildly on the inside between LABOUR LANDSLIDE HERE WE... HERE WE.... HERE WE loving GO!! and "oh god four thousand years of tory darkness" All I can say is that these will be the longest 72 hours of my life so far. In 2010 I didn't expect the Tories to win, so I wasn't bothered by it. In 2015 I expected a hung parliament so I wasn't too invested in it, although "I wonder if shy tories are accounted for in the polls" started crawling in the back of my head as the final week came along. This time there's a little bit of me wondering "maybe the finger on the scale is going too far in the other direction this time?" but I'm trying to, as I say, curb my enthusiasm. At least May has performed a hilariously incompetent campaign and tanked her personal ratings.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:41
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kustomkarkommando posted:STV would be the obvious pr-lite solution but considering historic party dynamics you might get some weirdness - imagine "vote SNP twice" but played out with three lab/con candidates a piece contesting a five seater The "vote SNP twice" issue was with PMS, not STV. The big problem with STV would be that you would never have a majority government again and you would get "coalition of chaos" adverts, but forever.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:43
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Random thought: I wonder what happened to that old talking point about Labour under Corbyn being taken over by hordes and hordes of crusty old Trots? They're playing all the other greatest hits but no sign of that one
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Jun 6, 2017 15:44
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Pissflaps posted:Would you rather I didn't vote labour? No, obviously I'd prefer you to vote Labour. I just find your unoriginal, smug takes on things irritating.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:44
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Jakabite posted:No, obviously I'd prefer you to vote Labour. I just find your unoriginal, smug takes on things irritating. The prospect of five more years of Tory government does not leave me feeling smug.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:45
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Zephro posted:Random thought: I wonder what happened to that old talking point about Labour under Corbyn being taken over by hordes and hordes of crusty old Trots? They're playing all the other greatest hits but no sign of that one Average people dunno what the gently caress a trot is. Something to do with pigs? Davey Cameron knobbed a pig once!
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Jun 6, 2017 15:45
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Non-UK but there's reports (from various news outlets inc BBC) of gunfire at Notre Dame in Paris, apparently the cathedral is locked down Edit: French media saying a guy tried to attack a policeman with a hammer and was shot Owlkill fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 15:45
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Pissflaps posted:The prospect of five more years of Tory government does not leave me feeling smug. You could have fooled me, and everyone else in this thread.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:49
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Jakabite posted:You could have fooled me, and everyone else in this thread. Only those with selective reading habits.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:50
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MikeCrotch posted:The "vote SNP twice" issue was with PMS, not STV. The big problem with STV would be that you would never have a majority government again and you would get "coalition of chaos" adverts, but forever. I mean imagine the same arguments being used to call on voters to transfer down to three labour candidates as "the only option!" hammering down third party first preferences and transfers
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Jun 6, 2017 15:54
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Zephro posted:Random thought: I wonder what happened to that old talking point about Labour under Corbyn being taken over by hordes and hordes of crusty old Trots? They're playing all the other greatest hits but no sign of that one Anna Soubry has been calling our CLP and the local candidate (who is a Correct and Good socialist) hard left marxists and Corbynistas pretty much constantly since the election was called. Also she was out in my town and reported Labour members to the police for harassment and intimidation...because we went up and asked her questions lol
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Jun 6, 2017 15:58
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TheRat posted:Back to "This can't possibly be legal, right?" https://twitter.com/GabrielCSGavin
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Jun 6, 2017 16:00
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Dabir posted:Cmon ronya say something more tedious, I know you got it in you I actually sketched a few takes on it and then deleted them opposition to FPTP is often reactive and pitched in terms of "I don't understand how..."; at the same time the speaker often readily understands Scottish or Welsh devolution. norms of representation and voice are complex. the way political power is practiced in a liberal democracy, if someone can command a plurality of the local ballot, they have a large degree of local power anyway. norms of civil society and how political participation (or political obstruction) make themselves felt all co-evolve with a system of FPTP or PR, these don't exist independently of each other. FPTP exists as a simple institutional bandaid over an underlying problem of social disunity and a politics of obstruction: it recognizes de facto local control, but does not reward local machines; it rewards national parties that can devolve the production of a united national identity onto themselves, rather than letting geography or religion or ethnicity carry all of the burden. It doesn't have to be this way; it can always be the French Fourth Republic*. I prefer MMP over STV for reasons, but regardless of PR system chosen, PR does not solve the main unease people pin on FPTP nowadays, namely the sense of unrepresentation within a party itself. But that's really the iron logic of Hotelling competition, not FPTP - PR doesn't solve the problem either, since one just trades up for the sense of unrepresentation in who your chosen representatives decided to caucus with after the election, and how give-and-takes are to be meaningfully enforced, given the difficulty of formalizing such agreements and the fact that no higher court operates at this level. This asks for a great deal of faith in the ruling class meaningfully deferring to parliamentary norms and appropriate ministerial conduct (or perhaps just a great deal of cynicism in how dysfunctional mass parties can get and still win national elections). Easier for a small country than a large one, perhaps. * which we can recognize to be a anxious, fearful state of permanent crisis, but not apocalyptically so; for all its faults it was still a period of relative peace and prosperity. Not that it's nice to have a government that falls every year.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:00
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MikeCrotch posted:Anna Soubry has been calling our CLP and the local candidate (who is a Correct and Good socialist) hard left marxists and Corbynistas pretty much constantly since the election was called. Okay but seriously are we sure Anna Soubry isn't a character akin to Sir Bufton Tufton? She seriously feels like the Tory party fell to Poe's Law and the actor went with it.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:00
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Pissflaps posted:The prospect of five more years of Tory government does not leave me feeling smug. I'm sure you would deep down like Labour to win but tbh it is pretty obvious that you'd get no small satisfaction from coming back to this thread after a Tory landslide and being all 'I told you so Corbyn bad' about it. It's cool and all and I'm glad you're having fun but I'm more concerned with the people who will genuinely suffer by another five years of Toryism. I'm in a reasonably secure place right now, at least secure enough that ending up on the streets or starving is fairly unlikely, but there are a heap of people who will be utterly broken if this goes the wrong way.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:02
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ronya posted:I actually sketched a few takes on it and then deleted them That's the stuff, I'm choking on drool
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Jun 6, 2017 16:02
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https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993 that's the deputy political editor of The Sun
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Jun 6, 2017 16:03
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Dabir posted:That's the stuff, I'm choking on drool Wait, you think ronya is Zizek???
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Jun 6, 2017 16:03
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm sure you would deep down like Labour to win but tbh it is pretty obvious that you'd get no small satisfaction from coming back to this thread after a Tory landslide and being all 'I told you so Corbyn bad' about it. It's cool and all and I'm glad you're having fun but I'm more concerned with the people who will genuinely suffer by another five years of Toryism. I'm in a reasonably secure place right now, at least secure enough that ending up on the streets or starving is fairly unlikely, but there are a heap of people who will be utterly broken if this goes the wrong way. I'm afraid the chances of it going the right way for them are very remote. I've expressed concern for those who are going to suffer under the next Tory government more than most in this thread.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:04
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993 That'll be a seat to watch on election night. Seems unlikely as UKIP are standing a candidate.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:05
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993 I do not think the Tories will win in Bolsover.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:06
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Tesseraction posted:Okay but seriously are we sure Anna Soubry isn't a character akin to Sir Bufton Tufton? She seriously feels like the Tory party fell to Poe's Law and the actor went with it. There was also the time on Twitter where we announced our candidate (our previous candidate was former MP Nick Palmer, who stepped aside as he had lost twice to Soubry before) and she accused Momentum of planting a corbynista as the candidate while backstabbing Nick. At which point Nick went on Twitter and asked her what the gently caress she was talking about. She's also followed the Theresa May line of "not turning up to any hustings or debate, ever" which...seems like a bit of a gamble.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:09
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The SNP only get 4% of the total vote but they only stand in 9% of the total constituencies. Seems a pretty representative outcome to me. Its interesting how this only suddenly becomes an issue for many people when the SNP is involved.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:10
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ThomasPaine posted:I do not think the Tories will win in Bolsover. They are an average of 23pp behind as I recall. Pissflaps posted:That'll be a seat to watch on election night. Seems unlikely as UKIP are standing a candidate. What's that got to do with anything?
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Jun 6, 2017 16:10
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Pissflaps posted:That'll be a seat to watch on election night. Seems unlikely as UKIP are standing a candidate. Which is weird because Skinner voted leave 
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Jun 6, 2017 16:10
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Which is weird because Skinner voted leave Well yes, quite.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:11
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all things considered I would still take Westminster+MMP over FPTP, but it doesn't actually solve the problem a lot of PR supporters seem to think PR solves
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Jun 6, 2017 16:11
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Tesseraction posted:What's that got to do with anything? Are you being serious? UKIP are more likely to take votes away from the Tories than labour. If they weren't standing, the Tory candidate would probably receive more votes.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:12
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/872088486488276993 That's Skinner with the 27 point majority. Good loving luck.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:15
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Do we have a place for facebookfriends.txt? Got some loving horrendous passages to add including this gem:quote:gently caress the majority of you suffering. Work harder I don't want to pay for you to be better off. Do it by yourself like every loving other country has to! Don't stand there with your hands out begging for help. We are the most generous country in the world to our citizens and yet they still want more for doing gently caress all. gently caress off you scrounging prick
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Jun 6, 2017 16:15
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Pissflaps posted:Are you being serious? It's almost charming how naïve this line of thought is.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:16
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Tesseraction posted:It's almost charming how naïve this line of thought is. ....you don't think the Tory vote will be boosted in seats where UKIP have chosen not to stand?
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