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babypolis
Nov 4, 2009


hahahaha jesus loving christ

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

so it really is like the US house
Rhode Island has 526k people and gets one congressman
Montana has more than a million and gets one congressman

what in all hell is this

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Jose posted:

another big problem labour has is that scotland has a massively disproportionate number of seats to votes and labour are now completely dead there. labour desperately need to bring in PR next time they're in power but no doubt they'll decide its a bad idea because they're in power again

PR would throw a lifeline to the Lib Dems and therefore must be considered haraam despite it being good for Labour (or more appropriately, bad for the Tories and SNP)

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

so it really is like the US house
Rhode Island has 526k people and gets one congressman
Montana has more than a million and gets one congressman

Now talk about the Senate

I'm so close

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

the Senate still managed to be way less stupid than whatever the house of lords is supposed to be so I'll give that a pass for now

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


ok I was unclear Rhode Island has like a million people and two congresspeople so the point is their district is literally half the size of Montana's, not that the entire state of RI has 526k people living in it

Fanky Malloons
Aug 21, 2010

Is your social worker inside that horse?

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

or is there a baked in Tory advantage?

Yes, vast swathes of the British public read the Daily Mail and believe every word of pro-Mummy/anti-Corbyn propaganda contained therein, and also think that Tory policies aimed at loving the poor somehow won't apply to them, because they're not 'those people'.

Source: my mother, who raised her kids on single parent child benefits and now isn't working due to disability, but who believes that everyone else who does that is somehow scamming the system.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Nebraska however has two senators (population 600kish)
California also has two senators (population 39.4 million)

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Fullhouse posted:

the Senate still managed to be way less stupid than whatever the house of lords is supposed to be so I'll give that a pass for now

there isd a lot wrong wtih the house of lords but they largely tell the government to gently caress off on the stupider stuff it tries to pass

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

Nebraska however has two senators (population 600kish)
California also has two senators (population 39.4 million)

the district of columbia (population 700k) has zero senators

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

Nebraska however has two senators (population 600kish)
California also has two senators (population 39.4 million)

my dude where are you getting your numbers

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Jose posted:

there isd a lot wrong wtih the house of lords but they largely tell the government to gently caress off on the stupider stuff it tries to pass

This is more a reflection on the government than the lords though

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
true. i think t he main thing for an upper house is that you can only serve a single term so there is no re-election to be taken into account when voting on things

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Aliquid posted:

my dude where are you getting your numbers

gently caress meant Wyoming not Nebraska poo poo in my defense I have a lot of windows open to different state demographics right now for a project in working on which is incidentally also why I'm posting about this now

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

imagine still being governed by a literal nobility, titles and all

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Fullhouse posted:

imagine still being governed by a literal nobility, titles and all

OTOH you will miss out on the great day of having them shot in a dingy basement when the revolution comes

Although imagine the spectacle of a Ceausescu style televised public execution in the age of reality TV and twitter

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Fullhouse posted:

imagine still being governed by a literal nobility, titles and all

don't forget the Church

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

this is cool and what he's saying I think is basically extrapolated upon here:

Gary Younge posted:

At a drinks party in central London, not long after Jeremy Corbyn had been elected leader of the Labour party first time round, a young journalist talked me through the facts as she saw them.

“He’s already lost the election,” she said.

“I think you’ll find he just won an election,” I told her.

“I mean 2020,” she said, referring to what we all assumed would be the next general election. “Are we talking about 2020 in the past tense now?” I asked.

The trouble with received wisdom is that it rarely comes with a receipt. With the provenance of the “wisdom” unacknowledged, the recipient passed it on as though it were the self-evident expression of their own genius: an inarguable fact plucked from a clear blue sky.

For the past two years, it has been received wisdom that, when put before the national electorate, the Labour party under Corbyn was unelectable. Not simply that it would lose, but that there was no plausible way it could compete. These were not presented as opinions but as facts. Those who questioned them were treated like climate change deniers. Those who held the wisdom were the scientists. To take Labour’s prospects seriously under Corbyn was to abandon being taken seriously yourself.

The political class imparted as much to the media class, and the media class duly printed and broadcast it. The political class, drawn for the most part from the same social class as their media counterparts, then took those articles and bulletins and presented them as evidence. The wisdom was distributed to all who mattered. Those who did not receive it did not, by definition, matter. Within this fetid ecosystem the air was too stale for new ideas to grow.

More: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/06/jeremy-corbyn-unelectable-political-climate
it's an attitude from the political and media establishment that I find extremely annoying

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

quote:

Nor is it a neutral category. The people who “decide” whether someone is electable or not are not the electorate – that comes much later – but opinion-forming elites and those who fund and promote them. They apply themselves to the task with great prejudice and select both people and programmes in their own image and interests.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Jose posted:

there isd a lot wrong wtih the house of lords but they largely tell the government to gently caress off on the stupider stuff it tries to pass

legitimately the lords are doing a surprisingly good job of not being poo poo despite literally being inbred british nobility from the politoons

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

legitimately the lords are doing a surprisingly good job of not being poo poo despite literally being inbred british nobility from the politoons

They're mostly not literal nobility any more, they're mostly party grandees, ex-MPs, donors and the like who get nominated by the parties. Andrew Lloyd Weber sits in the House of Lords (officially, I think the only time he actually showed up was to try and take away people's benefits when the Labour lords defeated one of Cameron's more heartless bills)

also a bunch of bishops because lol

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

maybe it's because they're still where they were a decade or two ago while the commons tories have jumped off the deep end. remnants of staid patrician torydom rather than the death cult

if corbyn somehow gets in we'll remember why they're poo poo right quick

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/871812482066780160

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Baron Corbyn posted:


also a bunch of bishops because lol

the church of england are largely really good though. they constantly call the government out for being insanely poo poo

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

obligatory. his personal polling shot up after this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqfuUiBpXs

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

*gestures to raise the effigy up*

almost there, a little more to the left, Ollie..

Right then, m8 chuck it (d)over

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Fake News

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

also this is an extremely high labour voting area. like its cool and good people want to see him but the election isn't decided here

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Jose posted:

the church of england are largely really good though. they constantly call the government out for being insanely poo poo
I have v mixed feelings about the CoE calling out the government on poverty while also crowing about the excellent returns on their investment fund and not divesting from payday lenders.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Internet Webguy posted:

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/872017947585380352

"whats the naughtiest thing u have done mum?"

"well oi ran threw the wheat fields oi did! farmers were right chuffed at that!"

"so its not starving the poor and disabled?"

"nah bollocks to that!"
lmao

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Teresa May wins a general election by promising to destroy human rights. Our timeline, folks.

:negative:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

CottonWolf posted:

Teresa May wins a general election by promising to destroy human rights. Our timeline, folks.

:negative:

take some satisfaction that a large number of her voters are going to die in miserable circumstances that they voted for

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
the scary british witch is going to take away my jam but if I vote for the jam guy he will also take my jam and loving socialist spread it allover HIS bread as well as MINE

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Lastgirl posted:

the scary british witch is going to take away my jam but if I vote for the jam guy he will also take my jam and loving socialist spread it allover HIS bread as well as MINE
ah but he has a strategy to make more jam, so it's okay. Vote Jam Man.

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Aliquid posted:

my dude where are you getting your numbers

its called the constitution of the united states of america! :911:

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

jBrereton posted:

ah but he has a strategy to make more jam, so it's okay. Vote Jam Man.

but why does everyone have to have jam, i want to be special with my own jam :qq:

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Lastgirl posted:

*gestures to raise the effigy up*

almost there, a little more to the left, Ollie..

Right then, m8 chuck it (d)over

dont doin that with your hand over there mean somethin reeeal rudelike and not so peaceful?

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Lastgirl posted:

but why does everyone have to have jam, i want to be special with my own jam :qq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvJGQ_piwI0

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Lastgirl posted:

but why does everyone have to have jam, i want to be special with my own jam :qq:

if you accept corbyn into your heart you can receive his jam

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Lastgirl posted:

but why does everyone have to have jam, i want to be special with my own jam :qq:
We're in a pickle when our choices are

- Slammin and Jammin with the cORBman (good)
- Eating a big plate of Yes Ma'rmalade with Tess May (bad in the extreme)

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Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Jose posted:

if you accept corbyn into your heart you can receive his jam

:quagmire:

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