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Toshimo posted:Unraveler Zul, Tal Rasha Li-Ming, and Blood Raven Sylvanas are all Malthael patch. Thank you. I am gonna save my boxes for that then!
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BattleHamster posted:I think I would be okay with all the healing nerfs if his offensive capabilities were increased but I don't think that's the case. Ice Block and Shrink Ray are still at 13, and they're still amazing for the same reasons that they usually are. The new Vengeful Roots is less impressive than it sounds - the Treant's damage can get pretty up there if you can land roots reliably, but it's still just a Treant. In my experience, it usually dies before doing anything too useful. Now, if it gained health and damage, then maybe we'd be getting somewhere. Anyways, Full Moonfire vs Elune's Grace is really just a question of going full damage focus vs a general strength increase. In my opinion, Elune's Grace is the much stronger talent because it just does more, pound per pound. Full Moonfire's radius increase is neat and the reduced mana cost will make your spamming life easier, but the increased range on everything is just so useful.
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Jun 6, 2017 18:08
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Olaf The Stout posted:Hey, TLV get a spray in a month. Come on man, give me a tint, that can't be too hard. Why would you care when Pajama Party exists.
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Jun 6, 2017 18:59
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Power Bottom posted:The new Vengeful Roots is less impressive than it sounds Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/ChrisGansler/status/871781019283853312?s=09
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Odysseus S. Grant posted:Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/ChrisGansler/status/871781019283853312?s=09 How many hours in training did it ttake to pull that off?
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Jun 6, 2017 19:12
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Nephzinho posted:How many hours in training did it ttake to pull that off? He probably just hit complete quests and it gave him a thousand stacks of broccoli.
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Jun 6, 2017 19:16
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Der Shovel posted:I quite like Probius, but he could do with some quality of life tweaks. Pylons just seem like a burden because of their relatively long cooldown and how easy they are to destroy, when they are absolutely essential to Probius. Alao, the level 20 Pylon talent seems to be bugged. On the other hand, pylon disadvantages are a fair trade for vision, infinite mana, AoE buffs, and a good ult.
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Jun 6, 2017 19:54
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Why can't Probius summon a Gateway that spawns Zealots
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Jun 6, 2017 20:11
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Why can't Probius summon a Gateway that spawns Zealots This would have been way more interesting thematically and mechanically than a piece of tissue paper that slows people down I guess.
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Jun 6, 2017 20:13
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Why can't Probius summon a Gateway that spawns Zealots Because right before the release of the Starcraft builder unit hero they suddenly decided there were too many heroes that summon poo poo and they summon too much poo poo, so they're cutting back on the amount of poo poo future summoning heroes can summon.
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W.T. Fits posted:Because right before the release of the Starcraft builder unit hero they suddenly decided there were too many heroes that summon poo poo and they summon too much poo poo, so they're cutting back on the amount of poo poo future summoning heroes can summon. Can we do this, but replace "summon" with "mobility"
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Can we do this, but replace "summon" with "mobility" They are. Bolt of the Storm is disappearing for most heroes.
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Jun 6, 2017 21:01
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How would Probius having Azmodan's W be more interesting than Gazlowe's Q?
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i think they're saying Azmodan's R
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I was thinking more like Locus Nest
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Odysseus S. Grant posted:Counterpoint: Reminds me of the Gazlowe Training Dummy Instakill.
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apostateCourier posted:They are. Bolt of the Storm is disappearing for most heroes. Bolt of the storm is an interesting level 20 talent though. Removing it from otherwise fairly immobile heroes just makes the characters that guy's complaining about even worse, actually.
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apostateCourier posted:They are. Bolt of the Storm is disappearing for most heroes. Bolt of the Storm, a level 20 talent, certainly is the biggest offender for why there is mobility creep. We have been clamoring about how too loving mobile jimmy raynor is for too long, its about time something is done. Every other character is getting it replaced with a flavored bolt-like talent, so its just jimmy and lili that are losing bolt. And neither were even the strongest picks at that tier. Reverend Dr fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 21:37
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Just release Vlorrian, Varrian's twin brother who also has charge and the old juggernaut talent and squishy, high mobility heroes won't be an issue anymore.
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bamhand posted:Just release Vlorrian, Varrian's twin brother who also has charge and the old juggernaut talent and squishy, high mobility heroes won't be an issue anymore. This but it should be Garrosh.
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Jun 6, 2017 21:44
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Current Varian shits all over squishy high mobility heroes just fine.
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Jun 6, 2017 21:48
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Yeah but the other team can pick or ban him. Need a backup!
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Jun 6, 2017 21:49
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Varian should be Garrosh anyway, it's a crime that such a good toolset is on such a bland nothing character.
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Jun 6, 2017 21:50
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Tender Bender posted:Varian should be Garrosh anyway, it's a crime that such a good toolset is on such a bland nothing character. 
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Jun 6, 2017 21:55
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They need to just make Garrosh a legendary skin for Varian honestly
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Power Bottom posted:Ice Block and Shrink Ray are still at 13, and they're still amazing for the same reasons that they usually are. This is cool and all but my point was that they nerfed his healing capabilities while also giving him less offensive talent options. Going offensive style malf on the PTR is straight up worse than going offensive style malf on live (except for a small boost in dmg during the midgame) because they grouped practically all the offensive talents into the lvl 4 and 7 tiers without adding anything new.
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BattleHamster posted:This is cool and all but my point was that they nerfed his healing capabilities while also giving him less offensive talent options. What the gently caress are you talking about? It's not like they removed any offensive talents, and frankly the Moonfire talents being moved to 4 and 7 made them much more accessible. Nobody competent or playing seriously is going to take Full Moonfire over loving Ice Block or Shrink ray, and typically Tenacious Roots is King Turd of poo poo Mountain regardless of what you're doing because the crowd control is so valuable. Shuffling the Moonfire talents down several tiers gives Malfurion the option to actually be a reasonable contender at sustained poke output, which isn't something you want to develop late in the game - you want that as early as possible so the damage can add up while everyone is pussyfooting around the impending teamfight because they don't have their ults yet. Yes, they nerfed his healing and took away Cleanse, but that was something that needed to happen. Going back over what you said originally: quote:I think I would be okay with all the healing nerfs if his offensive capabilities were increased but I don't think that's the case.
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Nah garrosh is going to get the cool warrior kit that doesn't cause people to complain about him in quick match to this day. Perhaps a whirling axe, and an ult that resets on kills...
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Fuzz posted:Why would you care when Pajama Party exists. Because I've owned it for two years now, and TLV is literally the only character in the game who didn't get anything at all from 2.0.
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Olaf The Stout posted:Because I've owned it for two years now, and TLV is literally the only character in the game who didn't get anything at all from 2.0. They got hanamura, a map they're incredibly good on. Each viking counts as a body moving a cart forward. Meanwhile poor cho'gal only counts as a single dude pushing the cart.
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Coolness Averted posted:They got hanamura, a map they're incredibly good on. Each viking counts as a body moving a cart forward. Meanwhile poor cho'gal only counts as a single dude pushing the cart. They're not that good at that map though? On hotslogs they had a 41% winrate in HL and a 28% in TL on that map last week. The only characters worse at that map are lucio, medivh, and chogall. Even at Master level for the past 3 weeks combined, their winrate is 39%. TLV's main strength is soaking lanes when people leave for objective, and with the best strategy being to siege forts down teams are heavily disincentivized to leave lanes, negating their whole deal. Also if you're going to stall out the opponents payload do it in a lane. Also it's a two lane map, which is bad for them anyway. So you're going to push a payload 20% faster into a lane where you're going to meet your opponents and then stall out indefinitely. Olaf The Stout fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Played a QM game as Kael'thas and made the big board with "No Deaths While Outnumbered". First time I've ever seen that... As a lovely HOTS player I feel like the game was congratulating me for running for my life.
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S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:Played a QM game as Kael'thas and made the big board with "No Deaths While Outnumbered". First time I've ever seen that... As a lovely HOTS player I feel like the game was congratulating me for running for my life. Dead plays don't do damage. This seems to be something at least half of hots players don't understand.
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100+ games in with Probius now (yep I have a problem) and I still can't make up my mind on rift vs cannon talents at 1 and 7, except in the case where they have a stealth hero. 
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Honestly, they both serve the same purpose of locking down an area. I tend towards Rift talents myself because it feels like the Cannon dies too often. The other thing is that the Cannon relies on having a Pylon around, which Rift doesn't.
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loving thank Elune and Thrall and the Xel'naga and Carl and whoever else you want to thank. Blizzard posted that as of Malthael patch Varian will be matchmade as a tank in QM.
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Mind over Matter posted:loving thank Elune and Thrall and the Xel'naga and Carl and whoever else you want to thank. Blizzard posted that as of Malthael patch Varian will be matchmade as a tank in QM. What about D.Va?
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SKULL.GIF posted:What about D.Va? They didn't say anything, so she's probably still a bruiser and I don't give a poo poo. It's a lot easier to beat a D.va than it is a Taunt Varian without a tank. Source, if people want it: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/6fl0zd/weekly_reminder_that_varian_is_still_broken_in_qm/dijvlkq/
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Gul'dan is extremely my poo poo. Just murder teams with corruption, and Horrify is amazing.
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Lprsti99 posted:Gul'dan is extremely my poo poo. Just murder teams with corruption, and Horrify is amazing. You should try Rain of Destruction on maps like Infernal Shrines.
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