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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Unsurprisingly kuenssberg is going all in on Abbott getting sacked which tbf is the right decision and should have been done months ago not the day before the election Abbott got dropped from the Shadow Cabinet?
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Jun 7, 2017 09:04
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Lyn brown is apparently her replacement.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:05
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Probably for the best. I know a fair number of people who were inclined not to vote Labour because of her.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:10
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So ditching Abbott one day before the election, and notching it up to health. Okay then.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:11
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Is there a source on abbot being dropped? BBC has nothing on their app.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:12
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OrthoTrot posted:Conditions are ripe for building a genuinely huge left-wing movement in this country. Agreed - the sense of camaraderie and excitement in the Labour campaign has been great, with people enthusiastically returning to the fold. I just hope people aren't too crushed by the Tories winning (as I'm sure they will). Hope isn't a lie, it just needs to stop focusing on the short term.
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Firos posted:Kill me 
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Oberleutnant posted:i don't believe it Get out.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:13
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-a7776491.html Article on Abbott. Apparently due to ill health.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:16
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Firos posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-a7776491.html There is speculation on fb comments that she has early signs of dementia. I have no idea what to think, but god drat it, I just want good news from the Labour camp to keep myself from spiraling into despair about tomorrow.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:18
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Is there a source on abbot being dropped? BBC has nothing on their app. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/diane-abbott-replaced-by-lyn-brown-as-labour-shadow-home-secretary-during-ill-health-a3558746.html I wonder if this will make much difference to the people who refused to vote Labour on the grounds that she would have been Home Secretary and they really didn't like her, or if its to close to the election to make a difference now. edit: beaten like Tim Farron will be tomorrow.
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Every little helps. Also, hope is a lie.
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Blinks77 posted:Also, hope is a lie. It is, but how the hell did Labour manage to even begin to close in on the Tories? I've not been following the election at all, because as mentioned hope is a lie, and I'm fairly surprised about positive noises coming about. Is there seriously grassroots enthusiasm for the Corb?
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Jun 7, 2017 09:28
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They should have got rid a year ago or stuck it out. The day before the election is terrible optics. I wonder if this is Abbot more than ill health
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Zalakwe posted:People aren't going to be happy with Theres May's Brexit police state. Sometime soon something has got to change. When Brexit isn't a success then the problem will be that there are still too many forrins here, so people will vote for more fash.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:30
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Nice piece of fish posted:Is there seriously grassroots enthusiasm for the Corb? Has there ever not been grassroots enthusiasm for Corbs? But yeah there is. We had over 30 people turn up for canvassing yesterday, expected about 6.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:33
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I think firing Abbott this close to the election is such an obviously terrible move that Labour's hand must have been forced, which probably means the issue really is ill health to such an extent that it would be obvious the moment the press saw her.
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One of the few things that has given me comfort throughout this campaign is that at least May is not made of teflon like Cameron. Criticism rarely stuck to him. Also, a few articles popping up explaining the Lib Dem collapse as a result of them breaking their 2010 promises. This ideally is how politics should work, i.e. accountability for things you said you'd do, but is there a reason they got disproportionately hammered for breaking their promises? Was the tuition fees thing just extra salient? I remember reading sometime around the 2015 GE that they actually accomplished more of their manifesto in coalition than the Conservatives had.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:36
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serious gaylord posted:They should have got rid a year ago or stuck it out. The day before the election is terrible optics. I wonder if this is Abbot more than ill health I mean maybe she is genuinely I'll and they'll reveal that when Johnson starts cunting it up whenever he gets in front of the camera this morning
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Jun 7, 2017 09:37
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Win or lose, tossing Abbott overboard is a good idea and should've been done a long long time ago.
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if abbot is in such ill health she's been pulled now then standing for election is a bit of an issue
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It's at least better than the Republican approach of immediately asking the person with dementia to run the entire country for them. And then doing it again a few decades later. Seriously, though, at sixty-three, Abbott really is in the danger zone for dementia, and while the phone arguments she reportedly had with the rest of the Labour leadership suggest a compelling alternative explanation for her time away from the cameras, those could equally plausibly have thrown up some significant medical red flags. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 09:40
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pumpinglemma posted:I think firing Abbott this close to the election is such an obviously terrible move that Labour's hand must have been forced, which probably means the issue really is ill health to such an extent that it would be obvious the moment the press saw her. If she's that bad that they can't just keep her at home away from the cameras for a few days there are questions about her suitability to stand in the election. To say she's been replaced the day before is really really odd. However I hope it's that and that she's not at deaths door or something. She's beena very good mp for a long time, regardless of her performances in front of cameras.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:43
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Will the new Home Secretary candidate have time to do any interviews? Only news report of her that I can find in the past year was her voting against Corbyn in the confidence motion thing.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:44
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Jose posted:if abbot is in such ill health she's been pulled now then standing for election is a bit of an issue The ballot papers have been written, and I'm not sure that the British system is modern enough to have a provision for sudden illness.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:45
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Halisnacks posted:One of the few things that has given me comfort throughout this campaign is that at least May is not made of teflon like Cameron. Criticism rarely stuck to him. Getting preferential voting was basically the only reason anyone voted LibDem and they utterly hosed that up by putting the Tories in power, the Tuition fees backstab just showed they were even more useless and contemptuous of their voters than anyone had ever imagined.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:45
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I assume there isn't a precedent for that kind of thing, so if it's as bad as all it could be, she'd have to stand the seat and then call a by election to stave off a guarantee of another party winning it? As much as she's been Grim4Corbyn, I do hope she's not in a really bad way.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:46
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Jose posted:if abbot is in such ill health she's been pulled now then standing for election is a bit of an issue It's too late to replace parliamentary candidates. If she has further decline in health that causes her to stand down as an MP, that can now only happen after the general.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:46
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There is a chance that when she was dressed down by the party regarding that disastrous interview that something that she'd maybe been [not strictly hiding but it hadn't been raised] came out.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:47
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Getting rid of Abbot is a vote-winner.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:48
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Feel bad for her. Regardless of whether she's ill or not she's had a lot of unnecessary abuse thrown her way so I wouldn't blame her if this was a breakdown or something.
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Jun 7, 2017 09:50
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sassassin posted:Getting rid of Abbot is a vote-winner. I mean, so's racism but that doesn't automatically mean it's good if you do it.
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Halisnacks posted:is there a reason they got disproportionately hammered for breaking their promises? Was the tuition fees thing just extra salient? I remember reading sometime around the 2015 GE that they actually accomplished more of their manifesto in coalition than the Conservatives had. Most of the seats where they actually had MPs were Tory-LibDem battles. I am confident that in all of them the local LibDem campaign's main argument was 'vote for me to keep the Tories out!' - it certainly was (and more laughably is) in my constituency. Those same fuckers then helped the Tories into government and kept them there for 5 years. Also, if your manifesto headlines stress fairness, you can't seriously expect to be thought to have achieved something because you got the minimum wage to apply to all workers over 16, when you also vote for an act to slaughter every firstborn child. They voted for things that people who actually supported their manifesto promises would hate, and they knew it. Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Odd timing but possibly for the best both for Labour and her. Though I personally would have waited a day.
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I think it's most likely that Abbott is in fact ill. Also as I've understood it she's not been formally replaced, they're just having Brown fill in for her temporarily. Though it's entirely possible that the temporary becomes permanent after the eletion, of course.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I think it's most likely that Abbott is in fact ill. Also as I've understood it she's not been formally replaced, they're just having Brown fill in for her temporarily. Though it's entirely possible that the temporary becomes permanent after the eletion, of course. They've just announced its an indefinite replacement
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serious gaylord posted:They've just announced its an indefinite replacement From what I've seen it's "for the period of her ill health", which I suppose technically is for an unknown duration, but as of now I wouldn't call it permanent.
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Halisnacks posted:Also, a few articles popping up explaining the Lib Dem collapse as a result of them breaking their 2010 promises. This ideally is how politics should work, i.e. accountability for things you said you'd do, but is there a reason they got disproportionately hammered for breaking their promises? Was the tuition fees thing just extra salient? I remember reading sometime around the 2015 GE that they actually accomplished more of their manifesto in coalition than the Conservatives had. Accountability comes down to how much headline media coverage an issue gets, how simple it is to grasp and in turn how well it sticks in the public's collective memory. So many political cockups are complex and/or end up buried in a random article that most of the public never see, but you can bet most people will remember a very simple narrative that receives sustained frontpage attention. It was a very shrewd and intentional move by the tories to force the lib dems into breaking one of their main pledges. The aim was to stop them building on any gains made in 2010 and break them as a political force. I have no doubt they had a hand in the ensuing media coverage that framed the debate more as "lib dems gently caress over their voters" than "tories gently caress over the public yet again". Current Labour doesn't anywhere close to the media clout that New Labour had and the tories still do, which is why forgetting random figures in interview make sustained headlines and narratives like this don't.
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