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Mister Fister posted:With all the defense of Hillary having slave labor i'm seeing on twitter, i'm beginning to doubt we can even call Democrats socially liberal Republicans anymore I see it that same way. At this point, words and labels do not have meanings. I've given up on the Dems. The latest election, DNC behavior and HRC was the nail in the coffin for me. 3rd party protest vote forever from me.
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Positive Optimyst posted:I see it that same way. I just don't understand why liberals need to keep defending Hillary. Yes, she was objectively the better choice on election day and I voted for her, but why the gently caress do so many democrats have to try to act like none of her obvious, disgusting problems are real? edit: I mean, she didn't even loving win. Stop acting like pointing out her obvious racism is somehow going to reach backwards in time and make Donnie win the election even harder. Verus fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Verus posted:I just don't understand why liberals need to keep defending Hillary. Yes, she was objectively the better choice on election day and I voted for her, but why the gently caress do so many democrats have to try to act like none of her obvious, disgusting problems are real? It's because liberals are so heavily invested in team politics and lesser of two evils ideology that they've lost the ability to accept honest criticism of their political leaders.
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Verus posted:I just don't understand why liberals need to keep defending Hillary. Yes, she was objectively the better choice on election day and I voted for her, but why the gently caress do so many democrats have to try to act like none of her obvious, disgusting problems are real? To defend Hillary is to defend the status quo, and reject that any kind of major change or upheaval is needed. No need to move left (which might mean shutting the doors on blue dog democrats), no need to reach out to the working class whites (which might tarnish their progressive stance) and no need to accept that anyone was wrong. As long as Hillary did nothing wrong, they can assume to run the same campaign again and barring the inexplicable mystical force that is D Trump then she will definitely win. And so nothing needs to be done.
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White Rock posted:no need to accept that anyone was wrong. It's mainly this, to be frank. The centrists have built their entire political identity on being right by default, which is why you see them descending into self-parody after it's become obvious that they're really bad and clueless when it comes to politics.
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Positive Optimyst posted:I see it that same way. You need to show up for the primaries. The only way we're going to right this ship is by getting more people to care before the general so we can primary out the scum.
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Call Me Charlie posted:You need to show up for the primaries. The only way we're going to right this ship is by getting more people to care before the general so we can primary out the scum. Words of wisdom from Call Me Charlie, folks! Seriously, if you're outraged and disgusted (and you should be), this is the attitude you should be taking.
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Is this the time to discuss yesterday's gubernatorial primary in New Jersey? Surprise! The Goldman Sachs guy who has negative charisma is getting my party 's nod! I feel like we all have learned a lot, lol.
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Stealth Tiger posted:Is this the time to discuss yesterday's gubernatorial primary in New Jersey? Surprise! The Goldman Sachs guy who has negative charisma is getting my party 's nod! I feel like we all have learned a lot, lol. a garbage governor for a trash state
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:a garbage governor for a trash state I'm surprised no one has yet made a parody of "Scat Man" using "Sachs Man", and just cutting to scenes of blue collar jobs being outsourced, urban decay, and rising stock tickers.
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JeffersonClay posted:The stuff about low emotional intelligence as a predictor for criminality is completely accurate. Amateur phrenology As always, you want to think about this stuff scientifically (or whatever) but lack any ability to actually interpret results like this. The fact that emotional intelligence may be correlated with criminal behavior doesn't mean that there aren't many other things correlated with criminal behavior, including things even more strongly correlated than emotional intelligence. It's also obviously ridiculous to suggest that black people innately have lower emotional intelligence than white people (which would be the inevitable conclusion if you assumed it was an innate quality like IQ more or less claims to be), which strongly suggests that there are a number of other factors - like for instance poverty/racism and the many things resulting from generational poverty/racism - that influence emotional intelligence. Despite this, it is clear from the language in the book that Hillary (or the ghost writer, but presumably they based this off of an interview or something) is pondering what innate quality of these people lead to them making such bad decisions. She even talks about them like they're animals or something, referring to them as "inquisitive" and what have you. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Ytlaya posted:As always, you want to think about this stuff scientifically (or whatever) but lack any ability to actually interpret results like this. The fact that emotional intelligence may be correlated with criminal behavior doesn't mean that there aren't many other things correlated with criminal behavior, including things even more strongly correlated than emotional intelligence. It's also obviously ridiculous to suggest that black people innately have lower emotional intelligence than white people (which would be the inevitable conclusion if you assumed it was an innate quality like IQ more or less claims to be), which strongly suggests that there are a number of other factors - like for instance poverty/racism and the many things resulting from generational poverty/racism - that influence emotional intelligence. Despite this, it is clear from the language in the book that Hillary (or the ghost writer, but presumably they based this off of an interview or something) is pondering what innate quality of these people lead to them making such bad decisions. She even talks about them like they're animals or something, referring to them as "inquisitive" and what have you. JeffersonClay posted:Good thing I never said those things then, and you certainly won't be able to dig up any quotes of me doing so.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:forums poster jefferson clay defending literal slavery It's technically not slavery - and being technically correct is the best kind of correct for a centrist shill
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Call Me Charlie posted:You need to show up for the primaries. The only way we're going to right this ship is by getting more people to care before the general so we can primary out the scum. gentle reminder to this thread that forums user Call Me Charlie voted for Donald Trump.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:gentle reminder to this thread that forums user Call Me Charlie voted for Donald Trump. Does that invalidate my point, Dr. Fishopolis? Should I kill myself because nothing I think or say or do from this point forward can be valid because I voted for Donald Trump? Did my individual vote actually count for 112,912 votes and cost Hillary Florida? Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:No, your point is perfectly valid, just a friendly reminder. So it's completely irrelevant to the point at hand and you're only bringing it up in an attempt to discredit me because you're an idiot. Gotcha.
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Kilroy posted:since he's probated I think I can take the liberty of speaking for him: Yeah but in the context of the greater discussion there was a clear implication that Hillary's specific thoughts (which obviously seemed to assume that the criminals in question had been influenced by some innate quality) were reasonable and scientifically justified, which wasn't the case (and that's not even getting into how historically unreliable science has been when it comes to trying to define and measure intelligence). I mean, it's technically true that misinterpreting currently-valid scientific research isn't the same thing as believing pseudo-science, though in practice I don't think they're particularly different, especially if the intent is ultimately the same thing (in this case to ascribe some sort of innate quality as the cause of criminality).
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Mister Facetious posted:I'm surprised no one has yet made a parody of "Scat Man" using "Sachs Man", and just cutting to scenes of blue collar jobs being outsourced, urban decay, and rising stock tickers.
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Verus posted:I just don't understand why liberals need to keep defending Hillary. Yes, she was objectively the better choice on election day and I voted for her, but why the gently caress do so many democrats have to try to act like none of her obvious, disgusting problems are real? Last time I got sucked into a Twitter argument about Hillary Clinton, it involved a bunch of ostensible leftists screaming about how Snopes was a Democratic establishment shill website because they didn't think she personally murdered Seth Rich. I can't help but wonder if that plays a role -- people who might otherwise be sympathetic to the argument see bullshit like that and decide that there's no way it can be as bad as they say it is.
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Positive Optimyst posted:I see it that same way. But for reals, nihilism is laziness, you don't have the luxury to just clock out brosef - you're stuck here.
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i didn't know you made a safe space for jefferson to post in R. Guyovich. that's awful swell of you
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The people who oppose slave labor in the 20th-21st centuries are the real racists, you guys. Will not using forced labor from prisoners single-handedly end racism? No? Owned, brocialists.
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Remember when Hillary Rodham Clinton owned slaves and then performed amateur phrenology upon them while talking about them like they were animals to be studied and libs defended her
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Majorian posted:The people who oppose slave labor in the 20th-21st centuries are the real racists, you guys. Will not using forced labor from prisoners single-handedly end racism? No? Owned, brocialists. You would think the one thing that the "only racists want anti-trust and the minimum wage because those things don't fix racism" crowd would be good for is opposing an actual honest-to-god system of racialized slavery like southern prison labor but you'd be wrong!
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VitalSigns posted:You would think the one thing that the "only racists want anti-trust and the minimum wage because those things don't fix racism" crowd would be good for is opposing an actual honest-to-god system of racialized slavery like southern prison labor but you'd be wrong! we're going to have to go to their homes and twist their arms before they ever actually oppose anything that isn't vaguely left of deeply conservative
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rudatron posted:Nice name/post combo Uh, actually, one can clock out at any time. See: 
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VitalSigns posted:You would think the one thing that the "only racists want anti-trust and the minimum wage because those things don't fix racism" crowd would be good for is opposing an actual honest-to-god system of racialized slavery like southern prison labor but you'd be wrong! They do oppose it! (Providing a Republican is responsible.)
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Call Me Charlie posted:You need to show up for the primaries. The only way we're going to right this ship is by getting more people to care before the general so we can primary out the scum. But why try to work and make things better, when I can just smugly post on the Internet about how the Dems don't deserve my vote instead?
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Hillary owned slaves and democrats are raaacissstttt
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:gentle reminder to this thread that forums user Call Me Charlie voted for Donald Trump. Is this necessary any more? Individual votes literally do not matter.
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