Digiwizzard posted:

Or you know, you could just pay workers more on those days and have them vote early or by postal ballot.

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The next bit is crucial. As the dust settles on Friday morning and the champagne runs dry you need to keep your digital heads down. No boasting about your role in the victory. No conference presentations later in the year showing how you did it. You pack up your stuff, delete everything and rely on those impregnable walled gardens at Facebook to keep your success a secret. Sure, the Electoral Commission will be able to work out how much money you spent on digital media but no-one, if you keep your traps shut, will believe that it made the difference between success and failure.

They didn’t join the dots in the 2015 election from the massive digital difference between the Conservative Party and everyone else to the the subsequent ‘surprising’ victory. They missed it when Vote Leave spent almost every penny on targeted Facebook advertising and managed to sneak past the post and trigger Brexit. They still don’t think it worked for Trump despite the mounting evidence that without the digital difference he would have fallen short. And people won’t see it on Friday morning as long as we all point to the powerful message of the prime minister and join the choir of voices questioning how the polls could have got it so wrong. Again.

Barry Gardiner posted:

I have been told that Diane has been diagnosed with a serious, long-term condition.

I hope people will simply say ‘Okay, fair dos, if that’s the reason she’s been under par, we should back off’.

CptAwesome posted:

*banging knife and fork on table* POLLS POLLS POLLS POLLS

Jose posted:

big scary monsters posted:

The Lib Dems, Labour and the SNP leaders have all gone on record ruling out a formal coalition.

Miftan posted:

That's fair enough. I'm used to something else obviously but I guess it's probably a cultural thing at this point so I'll drop it.
Do you think there are other ways to increase voter turnout other than making sure politics is about people's lives instead of a game that toffs play?

CptAwesome posted:

How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'.

Or how about direct democracy done using an app, or for those watching at home, the red button.

Cerv posted:

that and electoral reform so people don't see their vote as being wasted.
turnout is driven down by apathy, not significantly by lack of access.

Jakabite posted:

Polllllsss for the polll goddddddddd. Seriously though I'm mildly addicted to checking the BritainElects Twitter feed.

Miftan posted:

I've yet to meet a Jew who was born/raised east of Poland that didn't loving hate the USSR. Lots of OGs were Jewish (even marx) but I don't think that translated to the next generations. There's a much bigger presence of Jews in the Unions, I think, than other lefty organisations. Still this is academic because the biggest hurdle between Jews and the modern left is Israel.

Bardeh posted:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/872401042348158977

Noice

peanut- posted:

In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster?

How does more Labour MPs from Scotland equate to anything other than more chance of Corbyn winning?

minema posted:

Anyone know where Corbyn is today? Was hoping he might be in Manchester so I could go along.

Pelican Street posted:

I've been umming and ahhing over who to vote for for a while and I think I've been swayed to vote Labour seeing the big man himself earlier today. I've never voted SNP and I've been thinking due to Brexit I may have to start. The Lib Dems got fewer votes than UKIP here in 2015 so were never really a valid option for me. I still think Brexit is wrong and if it goes badly I will almost certainly move elsewhere at the end of my PhD - but I ultimately don't want to move and I trust more JC's Labour to deliver a non-cataclysmic Brexit than the tories would. I wish Labour weren't in favour of Brexit but I suppose if they weren't the tories would be on 50+% right now...

I'm in Glasgow Central so nae danger of the bad guys getting in.

Now to convince my other half to vote Labour rather than SNP. You'd think him being English would make that a simple task but no...

BigHandsVince posted:

If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn.

Dugdale and the rest of the Scottish Labour lot despise him. Why wasn't she at his rally, instead hanging out with Darling in Edinburgh?

Coohoolin posted:

Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt.

Voting Labour in Scotland is... Not a good idea, at least if you want a Corbyn government.

BigHandsVince posted:

If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn.

Dugdale and the rest of the Scottish Labour lot despise him. Why wasn't she at his rally, instead hanging out with Darling in Edinburgh?

ultrabindu posted:

The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today.

BigHandsVince posted:

If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn.

Dugdale and the rest of the Scottish Labour lot despise him. Why wasn't she at his rally, instead hanging out with Darling in Edinburgh?

mediadave posted:

On a yellow-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth on how Scottish Labour was merely a branch office of London Labour. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the narratives were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Scottish labour were not at all a branch office of London Labour! They were a quite separate party! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong narrative on them. It was sabotage! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot.

ultrabindu posted:

The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today.

Vlex posted:

It's things like this, not accidents of geography, history, politics, linguistics, or taste in crisp flavours, which will ensure this thread remains inscrutable to outsiders.

Coohoolin posted:

Yawn. Slab under Lamont were treated like a branch office by a highly centralised Blairite Labour party, that then installed über-Blairites to run it (Jim Murphy), where it remained a faithful servant of the Blairite faction while Corbyn rose. It's been a perfectly understandable transition from ineffective branch office of the Blairites when they controlled the entire party, to a separately run shambles of a party hanging on to its Blairite power grasping because it's the only thing they know how to do.

Lamont used to announce leftist policies she'd have to roll back two days later when HQ realised it was too left-wing for their centrist triangulation. The situation now has Dugdale putting forward centre-right triangulating positions to win back voters from the Tories and being contradicted by Corbyn.

How this happened is entirely understandable, and it's not some weird manipulative attempt at Orwellian reality bending. poo poo changes.

peanut- posted:

Good article on the power of highly targeted Facebook advertising and how the Tories use it

https://www.marketingweek.com/2017/06/05/mark-ritson-%E2%80%8Bhow-win-election

forkboy84 posted:

Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself.

For reference, since this dumb accusation is continually made by stupid SNP partisans, here's a simple look of 17 good Labour candidates who you should vote for if you live in their constituency.



(Apologies to people who don't care about this. I have no idea why we are going into this is UKMT instead of ScotPol but ho hum)

ThomasPaine posted:

Well obviously it would be a confidence and supply arrangement.

Also just for one second imagine the media shitstorn is Sinn Fein decided to break precedent and pop round to Westminster just to vote confidence in Corbyn then buggered off again. I would never stop laughing. I mean it's not going to happen but if any potential PM could inspire that it would be him, given his general sympathy to Irish republicanism.

forkboy84 posted:

So wait, are you made that ScotLab is a branch office, or are you mad that they are now independent of central HQ & not following the Corbyn line. Make up your loving minds eh?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Voting for Corbyn would require them to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown so I don't think they're likely to just do that for the craic.

Zephro posted:

Don't reveal the sinister power of targeted Facebook ads, especially not to the Electoral Commission! - article in magazine readable by anyone, including the Electoral Commission

Miftan posted:

I've yet to meet a Jew who was born/raised east of Poland that didn't loving hate the USSR. Lots of OGs were Jewish (even marx) but I don't think that translated to the next generations.

forkboy84 posted:

Australia being a racist shithole with offshore detention camps for refugees seems like a strong case against compulsory voting.

Coohoolin posted:

Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically.

Coohoolin posted:

Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Also "Facebook ads are really really powerful even though there's literally no evidence for that" published in a magazine that caters to people who sell Facebook ads despite increasing evidence that they do nothing.

Zephro posted:

Don't reveal the sinister power of targeted Facebook ads, especially not to the Electoral Commission! - article in magazine readable by anyone, including the Electoral Commission

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Also "Facebook ads are really really powerful even though there's literally no evidence for that" published in a magazine that caters to people who sell Facebook ads despite increasing evidence that they do nothing.

forkboy84 posted:

Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself.

For reference, since this dumb accusation is continually made by stupid SNP partisans, here's a simple look of 17 good Labour candidates who you should vote for if you live in their constituency.



(Apologies to people who don't care about this. I have no idea why we are going into this is UKMT instead of ScotPol but ho hum)