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Labour | 907 | 49.92% | |
Theresa May Team (Conservative) | 48 | 2.64% | |
Liberal Democrats | 31 | 1.71% | |
UKIP | 13 | 0.72% | |
Plaid Cymru | 25 | 1.38% | |
Green | 22 | 1.21% | |
Scottish Socialist Party | 12 | 0.66% | |
Scottish Conservative Party | 1 | 0.06% | |
Scottish National Party | 59 | 3.25% | |
Some Kind of Irish Unionist | 4 | 0.22% | |
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian | 3 | 0.17% | |
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist | 36 | 1.98% | |
Misc. Far Left Trots | 35 | 1.93% | |
Misc. Far Right Fash | 8 | 0.44% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 49 | 2.70% | |
Space Navies Party | 39 | 2.15% | |
Independent / Single Issue | 2 | 0.11% | |
Can't Vote | 188 | 10.35% | |
Won't Vote | 8 | 0.44% | |
Spoiled Ballot | 15 | 0.83% | |
Pissflaps | 312 | 17.17% | |
Total: | 1817 votes |
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Digiwizzard posted:Or you know, you could just pay workers more on those days and have them vote early or by postal ballot. postal ballots are already available to all who want them.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:49 |
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Good article on the power of highly targeted Facebook advertising and how the Tories use it https://www.marketingweek.com/2017/06/05/mark-ritson-%E2%80%8Bhow-win-election quote:The next bit is crucial. As the dust settles on Friday morning and the champagne runs dry you need to keep your digital heads down. No boasting about your role in the victory. No conference presentations later in the year showing how you did it. You pack up your stuff, delete everything and rely on those impregnable walled gardens at Facebook to keep your success a secret. Sure, the Electoral Commission will be able to work out how much money you spent on digital media but no-one, if you keep your traps shut, will believe that it made the difference between success and failure.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:49 |
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Barry Gardiner posted:I have been told that Diane has been diagnosed with a serious, long-term condition.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:50 |
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CptAwesome posted:*banging knife and fork on table* POLLS POLLS POLLS POLLS
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:51 |
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https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/872401042348158977 Noice
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:51 |
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big scary monsters posted:The Lib Dems, Labour and the SNP leaders have all gone on record ruling out a formal coalition. Well obviously it would be a confidence and supply arrangement. Also just for one second imagine the media shitstorn is Sinn Fein decided to break precedent and pop round to Westminster just to vote confidence in Corbyn then buggered off again. I would never stop laughing. I mean it's not going to happen but if any potential PM could inspire that it would be him, given his general sympathy to Irish republicanism.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:52 |
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Miftan posted:That's fair enough. I'm used to something else obviously but I guess it's probably a cultural thing at this point so I'll drop it. that and electoral reform so people don't see their vote as being wasted. turnout is driven down by apathy, not significantly by lack of access.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:54 |
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Personally loving how the generation who told me we can't trust people on the internet is willing to believe anything online so long as it's got a blue rosette.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:54 |
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CptAwesome posted:How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'. Compulsory voting is pretty deeply unpopular, since to work it would either: 1. Have sufficiently punitive measures to actually coerce people to vote, which isn't exactly a great look to the electorate 2. Not have a strong enforcement backbone, in which case what's the point of saying voting is compulsory when there's no penalty for not voting? Australia is the best example of compulsory voting, and that was adopted there for a very specific historical reason - in the days before easy communication, due to the geographic isolation of rural Australian communities it was feared that without compulsory voting politicians just wouldn't bother even attempting to visit or win the votes of rural Australians, instead spending their time more efficiently by just campaigning in the coastal cities. This would leave rural areas completely disenfranchised when it came to politics, so by forcing all Australians to vote it means politicians can't (in theory) rely on cities alone. The reasoning is similar to why the electoral college exists in the US - by overrepresenting underpopulated states like Wyoming, presidential candidates are forced to give them more attention instead of just throwing money at winning the popular vote in densely populated states like California and New York.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:54 |
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Cerv posted:that and electoral reform so people don't see their vote as being wasted. Most people don't know enough about elections to know their votes are wasted. Multiple people think they're actually, literally voting for Theresa May (and not "for the tory candidate in solidarity with theresa may").
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:55 |
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Jakabite posted:Polllllsss for the polll goddddddddd. Seriously though I'm mildly addicted to checking the BritainElects Twitter feed. I prefer Brian Elects. Miftan posted:I've yet to meet a Jew who was born/raised east of Poland that didn't loving hate the USSR. Lots of OGs were Jewish (even marx) but I don't think that translated to the next generations. There's a much bigger presence of Jews in the Unions, I think, than other lefty organisations. Still this is academic because the biggest hurdle between Jews and the modern left is Israel. RIP The General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland and Russia
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:55 |
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I've been umming and ahhing over who to vote for for a while and I think I've been swayed to vote Labour seeing the big man himself earlier today. I've never voted SNP and I've been thinking due to Brexit I may have to start. The Lib Dems got fewer votes than UKIP here in 2015 so were never really a valid option for me. I still think Brexit is wrong and if it goes badly I will almost certainly move elsewhere at the end of my PhD - but I ultimately don't want to move and I trust more JC's Labour to deliver a non-cataclysmic Brexit than the tories would. I wish Labour weren't in favour of Brexit but I suppose if they weren't the tories would be on 50+% right now... I'm in Glasgow Central so nae danger of the bad guys getting in. Now to convince my other half to vote Labour rather than SNP. You'd think him being English would make that a simple task but no...
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 11:58 |
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Obviously from before she stepped back but says a lot that they refused to countenance the idea that she might actually be ill. Tories assuming everyone else is as much a liar as they are.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:01 |
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peanut- posted:In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster? Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt. Voting Labour in Scotland is... Not a good idea, at least if you want a Corbyn government.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:02 |
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minema posted:Anyone know where Corbyn is today? Was hoping he might be in Manchester so I could go along. He said on a BBC interview he was doing rallies all around the cuontry today, heading down frmo Glasgow to eventually get to his constituency around 9pm.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:02 |
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Pelican Street posted:I've been umming and ahhing over who to vote for for a while and I think I've been swayed to vote Labour seeing the big man himself earlier today. I've never voted SNP and I've been thinking due to Brexit I may have to start. The Lib Dems got fewer votes than UKIP here in 2015 so were never really a valid option for me. I still think Brexit is wrong and if it goes badly I will almost certainly move elsewhere at the end of my PhD - but I ultimately don't want to move and I trust more JC's Labour to deliver a non-cataclysmic Brexit than the tories would. I wish Labour weren't in favour of Brexit but I suppose if they weren't the tories would be on 50+% right now... If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn. Dugdale and the rest of the Scottish Labour lot despise him. Why wasn't she at his rally, instead hanging out with Darling in Edinburgh?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:03 |
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BigHandsVince posted:If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:07 |
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Coohoolin posted:Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt. Not sure of the dumbest part of this point, the idea that if you want a Corbyn government it's better to vote for an SNP MP than the 17 Campaign For Socialism members standing in places like Livingston, Glasgow South East, Dundee East and North Ayrshire & Arran, or the claim about many SNP MPs being to the left of Corbyn & then naming 2, neither of whom actually seem any more left wing than Jeremy Corbyn, and even if they were there is no evidence they'd break the party whip.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:07 |
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BigHandsVince posted:If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn. You mean like Matt Kerr? Chris Rimicans? Avowed socialists, who have backed Corbyn at every turn?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:07 |
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ultrabindu posted:The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today. He'll never be far away from our hears.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:09 |
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BigHandsVince posted:If you are voting Labour in Scotland, you are voting anti-Corbyn, not pro-Corbyn. Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself. For reference, since this dumb accusation is continually made by stupid SNP partisans, here's a simple look of 17 good Labour candidates who you should vote for if you live in their constituency. (Apologies to people who don't care about this. I have no idea why we are going into this is UKMT instead of ScotPol but ho hum)
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:10 |
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is there a hope in hell that Rhea will get a seat?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:11 |
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mediadave posted:On a yellow-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth on how Scottish Labour was merely a branch office of London Labour. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the narratives were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Scottish labour were not at all a branch office of London Labour! They were a quite separate party! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong narrative on them. It was sabotage! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. Yawn. Slab under Lamont were treated like a branch office by a highly centralised Blairite Labour party, that then installed über-Blairites to run it (Jim Murphy), where it remained a faithful servant of the Blairite faction while Corbyn rose. It's been a perfectly understandable transition from ineffective branch office of the Blairites when they controlled the entire party, to a separately run shambles of a party hanging on to its Blairite power grasping because it's the only thing they know how to do. Lamont used to announce leftist policies she'd have to roll back two days later when HQ realised it was too left-wing for their centrist triangulation. The situation now has Dugdale putting forward centre-right triangulating positions to win back voters from the Tories and being contradicted by Corbyn. How this happened is entirely understandable, and it's not some weird manipulative attempt at Orwellian reality bending. poo poo changes.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:11 |
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ultrabindu posted:The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today. I saw him live once, at Glastonbury. There was a lot of mashed potatoes.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:11 |
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Vlex posted:It's things like this, not accidents of geography, history, politics, linguistics, or taste in crisp flavours, which will ensure this thread remains inscrutable to outsiders.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:11 |
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Coohoolin posted:Yawn. Slab under Lamont were treated like a branch office by a highly centralised Blairite Labour party, that then installed über-Blairites to run it (Jim Murphy), where it remained a faithful servant of the Blairite faction while Corbyn rose. It's been a perfectly understandable transition from ineffective branch office of the Blairites when they controlled the entire party, to a separately run shambles of a party hanging on to its Blairite power grasping because it's the only thing they know how to do. So wait, are you made that ScotLab is a branch office, or are you mad that they are now independent of central HQ & not following the Corbyn line. Make up your loving minds eh?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:12 |
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peanut- posted:Good article on the power of highly targeted Facebook advertising and how the Tories use it
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:12 |
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forkboy84 posted:Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself. Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:20 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Well obviously it would be a confidence and supply arrangement. Voting for Corbyn would require them to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown so I don't think they're likely to just do that for the craic.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:20 |
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forkboy84 posted:So wait, are you made that ScotLab is a branch office, or are you mad that they are now independent of central HQ & not following the Corbyn line. Make up your loving minds eh? That's my point. It used to be one thing, now it's the other, the reason for that is very understandable and clear, and the party has managed to be in the wrong in both cases. At least Lamont loving tried.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:21 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Voting for Corbyn would require them to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown so I don't think they're likely to just do that for the craic. Probably not but lol as if an oath means poo poo these days
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:21 |
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Zephro posted:Don't reveal the sinister power of targeted Facebook ads, especially not to the Electoral Commission! - article in magazine readable by anyone, including the Electoral Commission Also "Facebook ads are really really powerful even though there's literally no evidence for that" published in a magazine that caters to people who sell Facebook ads despite increasing evidence that they do nothing.
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Miftan posted:I've yet to meet a Jew who was born/raised east of Poland that didn't loving hate the USSR. Lots of OGs were Jewish (even marx) but I don't think that translated to the next generations.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:23 |
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Will someone be creating an Election Matchday Thread or will it all be in their thread?
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:23 |
forkboy84 posted:Australia being a racist shithole with offshore detention camps for refugees seems like a strong case against compulsory voting. those two aren't really connected - compulsory voting is a good thing, but the overton window is basically completely to the right so much so that the centre is basically: privatisation is cool AND good. There's only one decent left wing party in the country. Australia's politicians are almost completely hosed by rupert murdoch as much as they are in the uk. remember that old crypt keeper started here, his taint's all over this blighted isle.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:23 |
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Coohoolin posted:Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically. This is the position I'm taking. At least look up your constituency results before deciding on a party. If the Tories are a threat where you're voting in Scotland, please just vote SNP. I know tactical voting is horrible and cynical, but I'm sure even the Labour supporters in this thread would broadly agree that they'd rather have the SNP in power in any given constituency than the Tories.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:23 |
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Coohoolin posted:Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically. The choice in Ochil is between a Tory & an ex-Tory. Voting for a good Labour Party candidate is entirely justifiable.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:24 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also "Facebook ads are really really powerful even though there's literally no evidence for that" published in a magazine that caters to people who sell Facebook ads despite increasing evidence that they do nothing.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:24 |
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Zephro posted:Don't reveal the sinister power of targeted Facebook ads, especially not to the Electoral Commission! - article in magazine readable by anyone, including the Electoral Commission I don't get your point, it's not actually written by a Tory staffer or anything. goddamnedtwisto posted:Also "Facebook ads are really really powerful even though there's literally no evidence for that" published in a magazine that caters to people who sell Facebook ads despite increasing evidence that they do nothing. I mean the evidence would be the large amounts of money being allocated there by successful election campaigns, and notably ones that upset the polls. Maybe they're pissing it all up the wall, but it's still an interesting dissection of the tactics at work.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:27 |
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forkboy84 posted:Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself. I'd love to be in a constituency where a Labour vote from me would not be for someone who has repeatedly and consistently undermined Corbyn. That is not the case. None of the names in your graphic have much of a chance of winning. There is a reason why all the "Tactical" voting campaigns are telling people to vote SNP in most areas, if you want a Corbyn government. Hopefully Scottish Labour will end up with better management soon.
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# ? Jun 7, 2017 12:27 |