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Heer98
Apr 10, 2009

ladron posted:

I've worked with at least 8 of them, all named "JiYoung"

Trying to find my gf on Facebook was like, a two hour endeavor. Do you have any idea how many JiYoung's there are in Seoul? Sorting by last name or even by job barely even helps. It was actually pretty funny trying to pick her or from the endless sea of heavily filtered, identically posed profile pictures.

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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nickmeister posted:

Chinar has more gaudy buildings that fall down after 2 years and stores all provide wechat pay so they don't have to look up from their phones and interact with another human being therefore china is grandiose.

thomas friedman is that you

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

<- possible thread gang tag?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Fojar38 posted:

thomas friedman is that you

He said nothing about the next six months so it cant be.

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


I would blow Dane Cook posted:

<- possible thread gang tag?

Dr.Radical
Apr 3, 2011

Haier posted:

She said I was the one that did her bullshit to her, and foreigners are all just looking for sex and leave China.

She's got your number there, Haier.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I like the ones that go to china for sex but they're weird looking nerds with low self esteem and end up getting married and then just make pathetic youtubes of their lives.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Baronjutter posted:

I like the ones that go to china for sex but they're weird looking nerds with low self esteem and end up getting married and then just make pathetic youtubes of their lives.

We laugh at them but they've got more than they could ever dream of. A wife, sex, somewhat positive attention from random people in public and online. Gold jerry, they've hit gold.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

George Costanza would be a massive Chinese celebrity because he is living face culture.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

I like how this is sped up 20%, it's like watching newsreel footage from the 1920s

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Barudak posted:

George Costanza would be a massive Chinese celebrity because he is living face culture.

Sinofeld.

"He's a uighur Jerry! A uighur!"

Xerxes17 fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 7, 2017

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Xerxes17 posted:

Sinofield.

"He's a uighur Jerry! A uighur!"

Not that there's anything wrong with that

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Devils Affricate posted:

Not that there's anything wrong with that

"The hot-pot kempetai".

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Barudak posted:

He said nothing about the next six months so it cant be.

he unironically wrote an article today that says basically what we're talking about

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/opinion/trump-china-trade.html?_r=0

quote:

My visit to Beijing left me with two very strong responses. The first is that we underestimate China — and attribute all of its surge in growth to unfair trade practices — at our peril. The country has been fast and smart at adopting new technologies, particularly the mobile internet. For instance, China has moved so fast into a cashless society, where everyone pays for everything with a mobile phone, that Chinese newspapers report beggars in major cities have started to place a printout of a QR code in their begging bowls so any passer-by can scan it and use mobile payment apps like Alibaba’s Alipay or Tencent’s WeChat Wallet to contribute to the beggar’s mobile payment account.

Chinese men and women friends tell me they don’t carry purses or wallets anymore, only a mobile phone, which they use for everything — including for buying vegetables from street vendors.

“America has been dreaming of becoming a cashless society,” Ya-Qin Zhang, president of Baidu, China’s main search engine, remarked to me, “but China is already there.” It has “leapfrogged the rest of world” and is now going mobile-first in everything.

Wang Xing, the founder of Meituan.com — a Chinese mobile website that is a combination of Fandango, Yelp, OpenTable, Grubhub, TripAdvisor, Booking.com and Angie’s List — told me that he has around 300,000 people on electric bicycles who deliver takeout food and groceries to 10 million Chinese mobile internet users daily. “We are the largest food delivery company in the world,” said Xing.

And in an age when raw data from the internet of people and the internet of things is the new oil, the fact that China has 700 million people doing so many transactions daily on the mobile internet means it’s piling up massive amounts of information that can be harvested to identify trends and spur new artificial intelligence applications.

Moreover, while Trump is pulling out of the Paris climate deal, China is steadily pulling out of coal. Xin Guo, C.E.O. of Career International, told me two of his hottest job openings in China are in “software and new energy” — everyone is looking for engineers for electric cars, solar and wind. Walter Fang, a top executive at iSoftStone, which helps design China’s smart, sustainable cities, told me that “just two weeks ago I brought in about a dozen green energy start-up companies from Massachusetts” to show them opportunities in China.

basically he got dragged around by a bunch of corporate ceo's around a government approved potemkin village in beijing and probably stayed exclusively at expensive hotels and poo poo because they knew he was a NY Times columnist and he loving fell for all of it smh

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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quote:

"Trump may be too late" ... uh huh. About 15 years ago, I was stunned to find that the number of engineering graduates in China is, like, 1000 times the number in the US. At that point, I knew China would overtake US sooner or later.

Sure, at the time, their graduates were poorly trained. But, China views engineers as almost superhuman, and most politicians in China have engineering training. So, in a breathtakingly short time, China has completed massive infrastructure projects (yes, some are shoddy), and begun glorifying entrepreneurs.

Meanwhile, the US has Bart Simpson, mocks engineers as nerds, incentivizes graduates to go into "financial engineering" (hello, 2008), and takes freedom for granted: most people did not vote, and of those that did, 40% voted for the most unsuitable candidate in history.

This is not a mere trade problem. This is a culture resting on its laurels versus a culture eager to do what it takes to be a world leader. This is far beyond Trump.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Kopijeger posted:

If a pale Russian from Siberia or the Far East immigrates to the US, he or she would likely be considered white, yet still be an Asian-american in terms of geographical origin.

I met a blond haired, blue eyed girl from Vladivostok on my flight from Fukuoka to Seoul. We were waiting to board and started chatting, really sweet girl. She had just spent a year in Honolulu and was heading back home. We actually both had an overnight layover at the airport in Seoul so we got recliners next to each other so if we crashed we'd be safe but we ended up chatting the majority of the night. She brought up this very thing, where she met people in Honolulu and they would ask her where she's from and she'd tell them and they might not know where Vladivostok is, and she'd say "Russia" and they'd be like "Wow, cool! I've always wanted to go to Europe, do you travel a lot there?" and she was like "I live in Asia" and people would look at her like..."What?" I asked her if she considered herself Asian and she said "Of course", which, yeah, I mean it was kind of a dumb question, what else would she consider herself?, but it's just not usually what we think of in the US when you talk about Asia.

Russia is gigantic, how weird would it be to live in a place that is like 9,000km actually now that I think about it I worked outside of Anchorage and that's pretty freakin' far from Washington DC. I dunno.

Anyway that's my story about someone from the Russian east coast describing herself as Asian while having super blond hair and bright blue eyes. Thanks for reading.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
also i absolutely despise the idea of a cashless society and am going kicking and screaming into that future, and it's annoying, because i'll go to places and try to give them actual money, which is legal tender, and they'll be like "please use this dumb app to pay" or whatever and i'll say something like "sorry i don't have a phone or an account" and people look at me like i'm some kind of talking zebra that just sauntered into their store. it like totally fucks with their head that someone would not use alipay or whatever dumb app they want me to use.

there's a few different reasons why i think charging everything and cashless societies are bad and it irks the poo poo out of me that i'm holding 50rmb and i want a 3rmb bottle of water and they are like "please use your phone and give us your information to charge this 50 cent bottle of water". no. take my money.

curufinor
Apr 4, 2016

by Smythe

TsarZiedonis posted:

Trying to find my gf on Facebook was like, a two hour endeavor. Do you have any idea how many JiYoung's there are in Seoul? Sorting by last name or even by job barely even helps. It was actually pretty funny trying to pick her or from the endless sea of heavily filtered, identically posed profile pictures.

MEJ Newman's paper on power laws notes that all known naming systems wrt surnames display good statistical fit to power law- all except Korean surnames, which obey exponential distribution. Power law is prototypical long tail distribution, exponential is definitional boundary between short and long tail distribution, so there will be many, many fewer folks with uncommon surnames

They found out surname + clan is power law, so there's a bunch of obscure clans who are still 김 or 박 but you can't put that you're 선산 김 in your Facebook

curufinor fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jun 7, 2017

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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personally i can't believe that an authoritarian government would want to track every single purchase you make and where you make it no matter how insignificant

it must just be that the perfidious chinese are truly living in the future thanks to their confucian respect for STEM majors

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants

Fojar38 posted:

personally i can't believe that an authoritarian government would want to track every single purchase you make and where you make it no matter how insignificant

it must just be that the perfidious chinese are truly living in the future thanks to their confucian respect for STEM majors

They don't need to be competent, having a lot of them is enough.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Fojar38 posted:

personally i can't believe that an authoritarian government would want to track every single purchase you make and where you make it no matter how insignificant

it must just be that the perfidious chinese are truly living in the future thanks to their confucian respect for STEM majors

Government mandates that all purchasing info be collected and handed over for 'security' monitoring. Immediately sells it to advertisers and retailers.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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nickmeister posted:

They don't need to be competent, having a lot of them is enough.

it is possible to have too many STEM majors

especially if the CCP ever intends to walk the walk in the whole "transition to a service and consumption economy" narrative (not that I think it's possible to simply order the creation of such an economy)

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

https://zippy.gfycat.com/CloseTanGosling.webm

I'm assuming china. How does this even happen?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
http://m.youku.com/video/id_XMjgxMDE5MjkyOA==.html?spm=a2h3j.8428770.3416059.1&source=

here's a video of a woman getting hit by a car, everyone watching it, everyone walking by her, cars driving around her, until another car comes and runs her over.

if you don't like watching people get hit by cars, maybe don't click on this video

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Speaking of STEM majors, I've always wondered, wouldn't it be especially challenging to learn to code in popular high-level programming languages as someone who doesn't speak English, specifically a language like Chinese that is completely etymologically removed from English? All of the foundational class names, methods, keywords, etc. are English words or combinations of English words, and even if you want to write new code using your own native language, you can't really do that if your language doesn't use the Latin alphabet. I guess you could make an attempt at using Pinyin but without the tone marks that would be pretty terrible.

Do Chinese programmers just end up learning a weird sort of pseudo-English lexicon consisting of programming terms? Is having that as a base enough to extrapolate out into meaningful names for things when they're writing their own code? I feel like I should know this because I work for an international software company that has its own Chinese (and Japanese) employees, but hardly any of our coding is done by them, and when it is they just follow our own conventions. I'm curious, and a little scared, to see what an all-Chinese software company creates in C# or Java.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
China's transition to a cashless society has worked really well. My local mart has got it down to a science- they average a speedy ten minutes per customer! Minus the screaming fights that occur every time it doesn't work and they try to send the customer to the cash machine, of course. But other than that, really well.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Fleta Mcgurn posted:

China's transition to a cashless society has worked really well. My local mart has got it down to a science- they average a speedy ten minutes per customer! Minus the screaming fights that occur every time it doesn't work and they try to send the customer to the cash machine, of course. But other than that, really well.

1. Stand and stare blankly as the cashier rings up the purchase
2. Cashier announces the total
3. Stand and stare blankly for another few seconds
4. Fish around in pockets/purse for 15 seconds looking for phone
5. Input the wrong unlock code
6. Input the wrong unlock code again
7. Close whatever app was open on the phone
8. Swipe back and forth a few times until you find the wechat/alipay icon
9. Navigate through the app for 10 seconds until you find the right payment option
10. Cashier scans phone
11. Wait 30 seconds while it doesn't go through
12. Cashier scans phone again
13. Success at last!

Repeat x infinity for every customer ahead of me in line. But hey, so much better than boring old cash!

It's just like back in the day when you would get stuck behind an old lady writing a check by hand, only now every single person ahead of you in line is an old lady writing a check by hand.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Do you not have Android/Apple pay in America? I just hold up my phone to the card reader and it beeps and it's done.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

That's pretty cool

originally thought the truck was honking to get people out of the way and was just gonna roll on by

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Do you not have Android/Apple pay in America? I just hold up my phone to the card reader and it beeps and it's done.

We have it but cashiers don't refuse cash and cards.

And NYT reporters don't rub one out every time they see a person here pay for something with their phone.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Known Lecher posted:

1. Stand and stare blankly as the cashier rings up the purchase
2. Cashier announces the total
3. Stand and stare blankly for another few seconds
4. Fish around in pockets/purse for 15 seconds looking for phone
5. Input the wrong unlock code
6. Input the wrong unlock code again
7. Close whatever app was open on the phone
8. Swipe back and forth a few times until you find the wechat/alipay icon
9. Navigate through the app for 10 seconds until you find the right payment option
10. Cashier scans phone
11. Wait 30 seconds while it doesn't go through
12. Cashier scans phone again
13. Success at last!

You forgot step 11a- previously unseen child appears from nowhere loudly demanding something and the cashier has to re-ring everything.

but yeah whoohoo cashless society


Incidentally, I can't get Alipay because my legal name is too long.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Known Lecher posted:

1. Stand and stare blankly as the cashier rings up the purchase
2. Cashier announces the total
3. Stand and stare blankly for another few seconds
4. Fish around in pockets/purse for 15 seconds looking for phone
5. Input the wrong unlock code
6. Input the wrong unlock code again
7. Close whatever app was open on the phone
8. Swipe back and forth a few times until you find the wechat/alipay icon
9. Navigate through the app for 10 seconds until you find the right payment option
10. Cashier scans phone
11. Wait 30 seconds while it doesn't go through
12. Cashier scans phone again
13. Success at last!

Repeat x infinity for every customer ahead of me in line. But hey, so much better than boring old cash!

It's just like back in the day when you would get stuck behind an old lady writing a check by hand, only now every single person ahead of you in line is an old lady writing a check by hand.

so convenient, do you know?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Devils Affricate posted:

Speaking of STEM majors, I've always wondered, wouldn't it be especially challenging to learn to code in popular high-level programming languages as someone who doesn't speak English, specifically a language like Chinese that is completely etymologically removed from English? All of the foundational class names, methods, keywords, etc. are English words or combinations of English words, and even if you want to write new code using your own native language, you can't really do that if your language doesn't use the Latin alphabet. I guess you could make an attempt at using Pinyin but without the tone marks that would be pretty terrible.

Do Chinese programmers just end up learning a weird sort of pseudo-English lexicon consisting of programming terms? Is having that as a base enough to extrapolate out into meaningful names for things when they're writing their own code? I feel like I should know this because I work for an international software company that has its own Chinese (and Japanese) employees, but hardly any of our coding is done by them, and when it is they just follow our own conventions. I'm curious, and a little scared, to see what an all-Chinese software company creates in C# or Java.

This is part of why everything programming related in East Asia is a goddamn mess that doesn't work. Also that the programmers can't read English and basically all the useful resources are English language.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
cashless on my phone is fine for me. I can book hotels, air fare, taxi rides, and pay for dinner with my reader. People just need to have their poo poo together to make it work.

Like know what to order when you are the cashier in Macdonalds. I hate people who still don't know what to order after waiting in line for a while.

Have your phone ready to be scanned.

Actually the reason why I like to chill out in China is because of cashless. It just makes everything so much easier.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I'm an old man because I don't understand at all what is so onerous about handing someone a bill and receiving change. Plus it's way faster since nobody can ever figure out how the phone pay works and it takes ten rounds to get it done. I haven't yet encountered a place that wouldn't take cash, but I have had some that won't take my (Chinese) debit card.

I use the phone stuff for deliveries tho. Just not in person.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Grand Fromage posted:

This is part of why everything programming related in East Asia is a goddamn mess that doesn't work. Also that the programmers can't read English and basically all the useful resources are English language.

I heard it's mostly bc they just use the sample program that comes with the "how to program" book and just modify everything to fit their purposes, which causes a lot of problems and invalid calls and references, which are then kinda patched with other mods, until it looks like the coding version of that server rack chaos picture.

I asked about this a lot in Korea bc of their obstinate reliance on Active X, long after Microsoft themselves said "jesus lol stop using this, it was obsolete and insecure like 5 years ago."

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

ladron posted:

I asked about this a lot in Korea bc of their obstinate reliance on Active X, long after Microsoft themselves said "jesus lol stop using this, it was obsolete and insecure like 5 years ago."

My school's IT lady cried for a week after XP had to be uninstalled. She had no idea what to do. She also told me that Skype and Chrome were both viruses and once wiped my entire computer in an attempt to destroy all these horrible viruses. Oh, and erased everything on my USB because it was foreign and therefore dangerous to their computer system.

Also she tried to use me as a pimp so she could meet foreign men. She already had a boyfriend. Of course.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
A lot of my coworkers and a sister in law asked me to introduce them to foreign men. I didn't know any.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

VideoTapir posted:

A lot of my coworkers and a sister in law asked me to introduce them to foreign men. I didn't know any.

Nevermind I thought you said "didn't know why."

hakimashou fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jun 8, 2017

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I had an ongoing battle over OpenOffice because the Koreans at my school and eventually the loving local ministry of education could not accept the concept that free software exists.

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