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Taerkar posted:Specifically: There was also that most discerning feature known as "Catholic", I believe.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember that the culmination of the healthcare crisis helped lead to the 2008 Dem blowout. That and the recession of course. You are way too focused on electoral politics and process. At this point, the GOP aren't just aiming to undo the progress of the Obama administration, they are actively working to leave the country worse off than it was in 2008 (recession notwithstanding). A blowout in 2020 isn't particularly exciting if people are dying and suffering in the meantime and the damage is such that Democrats have to spend the next 4-8 years cleaning up messes, only to potentially have that work undone again. Outcomes matter far more than elections. If the ACA is repealed and the AHCA becomes law then that is a terrible outcome that leaves us much worse off than we were before. The ACA wasn't nearly good enough, but there's no guarantee (hell, it's not even really all that likely) that something better will come out of a backlash against the AHCA. We could impeach Trump tomorrow and that outcome won't matter even one tenth as much as a repeal of the ACA. This isn't winning, this is us losing hard. What everyone needs to be doing over the next few days and weeks is contacting their Democratic senators and representatives and demanding some kind of plan forward from here. The Democrats absolutely need to have a response to the loss of the ACA that's more comprehensive and concrete than "we'll make things better if you vote for us."
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https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/872636139697582080 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/872652067965415424 https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/872642776441245699 https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/872650594753933316 https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/872650854976847873 https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/872649881277607936 Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Sky Shadowing posted:There was also that most discerning feature known as "Catholic", I believe. Didn't they also argue that Protestant Irish who weren't part of the dirty immigration wave were totally okay.
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Ogmius815 posted:Yeah that Lutheran reformation really caught on in England. Yeah I deffo used the wrong word there, meaning another
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skylined! posted:i suspect this is how things will begin to matter in the era of trump Hattiesburg, 45 minutes south, just elected an "independent" named Toby barker over democrat Johnny Dupree. He's supposedly a progressive.
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empty whippet box posted:Hattiesburg, 45 minutes south, just elected an "independent" named Toby barker over democrat Johnny Dupree. He's supposedly a progressive. Well you see it wasn't in a city in a place like Cascadia or California or New York and furthermore 
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Timeless Appeal posted:This is kind of a lovely example. Despite being a Republican, up until a year ago, Comey was most well known for having a lot of balls and standing up to the Bush Administration. Which kind of proves my point that even "the good ones" will put Party over country when the chips are down so why take the risk? We're bringing a spork to a gun fight and we've been doing so for about a decade.
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skylined! posted:what the gently caress is a capital gain Money (income) you make off money you invest. Capital is money you invest. Gain is the money you make off the investment.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Which kind of proves my point that even "the good ones" will put Party over country when the chips are down so why take the risk? We're bringing a spork to a gun fight and we've been doing so for about a decade. ...he's literally talking about keeping qualified people in office and treating all of his constituents like they're his constituents. You're being weeeeird dumb.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:America.txt I've heard of suicide by cop but suicide by vote is a whole 'nother thing. Can we call the ToD of The Enlightenment yet? I mean...
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skylined! posted:i suspect this is how things will begin to matter in the era of trump
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Oh to be a microphone on the wall of that republican's office headquarters.BarbarianElephant posted:If Democrat voters were this trusting and loyal, we'd have a socialist paradise by now. Bless those poor idiot racist dupes! They are as sweet as newborn lambs. If by sweet you mean containing severely elevated blood sugar levels.
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i am harry posted:Oh to be a microphone on the wall of that republican's office headquarters. You'd have to be able to understand Russian, it's currently situated at the Kremlin.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Reminder that obamacare is actually extremely bad garbage and the US has the worst health care of any first world country on the entire earth and it was just better than not having it instead of being good and people don't deserve to die for wishing it was something better even if their idea of what would help is factually incorrect. What if their idea of what made it better was literally murdering all the gays and people darker than the driven snow It's factually incorrect but I guess we can't judge them because the ACA was poo poo gently caress all that one thing being bad does not mean you get a pass on making it worse because you're too stupid to know how to fix it
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I still remember watching healthcare in America spin out year after year with people dying on the streets. Even in the deepest point you still had people argue against public healthcare as they were dying. People were dying from not being able to see the doctor let alone get medication that would have costed them $100+ when in anywhere else you could get for $5. You had people turn down ambulances even at the risk of dying so they don't get charged. Patients and their families would be doing paper work and phoning their insurance companies more than they were taking care of themselves. There were the "Death panels" where the companies would do their best to cut you off if you got too expensive or delayed things enough for you to die or off loaded as much as they could on your relatives. You had people jump from one junk plan to another just to maintain coverage so they wouldn't get denied for pre-existing conditions. The RED CROSS was operating in the US like it was a third world country or warzone. ACA isn't perfect but holy poo poo people argue to go back and then some with their mortality staring them in the face just so rich people can con them for couple more percent. What a unbelievable death cult.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:What if their idea of what made it better was literally murdering all the gays and people darker than the driven snow If the necessary precondition for good healthcare policy is "the general public meaningfully understands healthcare policy" then we are totally hosed I understand that it's frustrating but it's not the voting public's fault that they are constantly propagandized
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oohhboy posted:What a unbelievable death cult. That's
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Is the GOP using a dropbox link that anyone can download and open. Like surely there'szwertyguhijkfdophugjidjkgnoiedgkjherjghedj
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Reminder that obamacare is actually extremely bad garbage and the US has the worst health care of any first world country on the entire earth and it was just better than not having it instead of being good and people don't deserve to die for wishing it was something better even if their idea of what would help is factually incorrect. Nobody who voted for Trump thought he was going to replace it with something better for everyone unless they are too stupid to actually be able to breathe. They thought he would gently caress over people they didn't like. The constant attempts to reframe it as good-natured ignorance and 'aw shucks, we didn't know" is just giving them an excuse. sit on my Facebook posted:If the necessary precondition for good healthcare policy is "the general public meaningfully understands healthcare policy" then we are totally hosed They openly and willingly voted for this. It is 100% their fault. "We got tricked!!" doesn't count until the exact moment they begin marching against him and actively taking action. Feeling bad doesn't matter an iota to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives they ruined. Why do people keep insisting they deserve sympathy from the people they're harming, but never expect them to give sympathy to those people? ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Lol they are going to try and do a reversal and claim that Comey was being pressured by the Obama WH to back off the Clinton thing? Oh sure why not. That's a very Rovian move. It also appears they are doubling down on what they were putting out a month ago when Comey was fired...that Dems wanted him fired for bungling the email thing right at the end of the election.
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BonoMan posted:Jackson is because it's poor as gently caress and mainly minorities. The surrounding suburbs - Clinton, Madison, Ridgeland and Gluckstadt are not. That's where the white flight resides. Jackson, MS, is something like 80-90% black. It's probably the highest concentration of African-Americans in the United States. Sky Shadowing posted:There was also that most discerning feature known as "Catholic", I believe. That's the substantial part. Even that illustration, the unremarked similarity between Irish and "Iberians" is that both were hardcore Catholic countries.
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i am harry posted:Money (income) you make off money you invest. Capital is money you invest. Gain is the money you make off the investment. Where does "double taxation" come in? (I still don't know what to make of that infograph cartoon, is it regressive/libertarian BS?)
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As someone that works in healthcare in another country, this is super loving depressing. 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Reminder that obamacare is actually extremely bad garbage and the US has the worst health care of any first world country on the entire earth and it was just better than not having it instead of being good and people don't deserve to die for wishing it was something better even if their idea of what would help is factually incorrect. Okay but if you read that article they acknowledge that the AHCA is objectively worse and will kill them personally, but say they will re-elect the legislators who voted for it because "you pick a side, you pick your values, and you stick with it"
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Dude got ninety-three percent of the vote. And his opponent wants a recount. His opponent who got nine hundred total votes. This is great. "One for Martin, two for Martin."
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Paradoxish posted:The Democrats absolutely need to have a response to the loss of the ACA that's more comprehensive and concrete than "we'll make things better if you vote for us." I think there are a lot of people that if the ACA goes away move to: "well gently caress it single payer is the only answer then"
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Furnaceface posted:As someone that works in healthcare in another country, this is super loving depressing. The worst part is that this isn't an exaggerated appeal to emotion, it's likely to be reality for a large number of people. Look how many people in this thread rely on some aspect of the ACA for their health coverage or who know someone who does. Hell, I know someone who absolutely depends on the Medicaid expansion for care that he can't really do without. He's much worse off than I am in that respect, but I use a marketplace plan and as someone who is self-employed I was completely priced out of any coverage pre-ACA despite being solidly middle income. Healthcare in the US is hosed and Republican "reform" shouldn't be viewed as anything less than an active attempt to kill people. The fact that some of their idiot constituency is on board means nothing, because the politicians working towards this travesty know what they're doing. edit- BrandorKP posted:I think there are a lot of people that if the ACA goes away move to: "well gently caress it single payer is the only answer then" I hope you're right, but the problem is that all Democrats need to be in the boat for this to work. Part of what scares me about an ACA repeal is that it means we get to have the 2008 fight all over again and that doesn't bode well for a quick fix. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Okay but if you read that article they acknowledge that the AHCA is objectively worse and will kill them personally, but say they will re-elect the legislators who voted for it because "you pick a side, you pick your values, and you stick with it" That's why the Dems need to start playing dirty themselves and stop trying to convert them. gently caress these people. Suppress their vote as much as possible. They're objectively wrong on every single issue and they don't deserve to be able to vote anymore.
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My Russian Uber driver told me that he used to be a translator for ExxonMobil and that sanctions are being lifted soon, be sure to credit SA with the scoop.
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PhazonLink posted:Where does "double taxation" come in? Republicans believe that since you've already paid taxes when you earned that money in the first place, you should be able to invest it and reap the rewards tax free.
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Kekekela posted:I never knew about this "Irish haven't always been considered white" thing until this thread, and still can't get my head around it. They're pasty white as gently caress, how would you even know they were Irish if they didn't talk? Germans, too. And Slavs. So much anti-German racism motivated WW1. And apparently white supremacists to this day argue about if some Eastern Europeans count as "white."
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Queering Wheel posted:That's why the Dems need to start playing dirty themselves and stop trying to convert them. gently caress these people. Suppress their vote as much as possible. They're objectively wrong on every single issue and they don't deserve to be able to vote anymore. Disenfranchising the poor will hurt Democrats more than Republicans. These people are stupid but the real shitbirds are the middle class Republicans whose only complaint with the AHCA is it doesn't kill the poor enough. Fortunately, the other way to make them irrelevant is to swamp their votes by appealing to the people who didn't vote by offering them good ideas that will help them and not arrogantly reassuring banks that our public campaign promises are lies to conceal a 1%er-friendly private position.
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Paradoxish posted:The worst part is that this isn't an exaggerated appeal to emotion, it's likely to be reality for a large number of people. Look how many people in this thread rely on some aspect of the ACA for their health coverage or who know someone who does. Hell, I know someone who absolutely depends on the Medicaid expansion for care that he can't really do without. He's much worse off than I am in that respect, but I use a marketplace plan and as someone who is self-employed I was completely priced out of any coverage pre-ACA despite being solidly middle income. I live close enough to the border that I have now more than once seen an American come in and buy a lot of insulin because its 1/8th the price, doesnt require a prescription, and is non-taxed. Ive always been afraid to ask anything other than "Nice day outside?" because Ive heard about people literally bursting into tears over this because its their only option to continue living. Like, gently caress. These are people. What kind of monster do you need to be to consider them a necessary casualty in their grand scheme?
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NikkolasKing posted:Germans, too. And Slavs. So much anti-German racism motivated WW1. And apparently white supremacists to this day argue about if some Eastern Europeans count as "white." You know that the second that they get their supposed "all-white utopia", this is exactly what will happen, too. They'll start reclassifying who's white.
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