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Mophidious just put up pre-orders for their new Star Trek Adventures RPG based on their 2d20 system. I was registered for the playtest but never got a chance to give it a spin, anyone know what the feedback looked like before I decide to blindly buy it based on IP alone? Has there -ever- been a Trek-based RPG game that wasn't poo poo?
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Jun 8, 2017 06:00
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Lasers and Feelings, I guess.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:09
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That cube thing from earlier is over 400 bucks 
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Jun 8, 2017 11:43
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But think how cool it'll look gathering dust? Link to said cube.
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Jun 8, 2017 12:20
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The non-collectors edition of the game has a bunch of negative ratings from people who think $59 is an outrageous sum of money to ask for an RPG. It's pretty much in-line with a lot of other major ones like FFG and not too far off from Pathfinder's $49 MSRP. Grogs will be grogs. The extras are all stupidly expensive though, I'll grant them that. The miniatures sets (which I'd maybe consider buying at half the price) are listed here in Europe at 47 Euros each for 8 minis. That's like GW-levels of ripoff. Edit: lol 18 euros for some acrylic chips, 35 euros for a gamemaster's screen. Drone fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Jun 8, 2017 13:18
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RPG books should forever cost what they did in 1995. What's inflation?
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Jun 8, 2017 13:22
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Dice at £18 is ludicrous, that's way more than any other comparable Q Workshop dice. They have a stretch goal for the number of bork cubes sold, totally not like a kickstarter. And the PDFs are a kickstarter style approach - buy now, get them in 2018 etc (well they say 2017-2018, but it's modiphius, so maybe 2019) Modiphius in still being poo poo, shocker. The core rulebook at $60/£45 isn't outrageous (though while the graphic design looks pretty, readability is going to be a bitch), everything else is taking the piss though.
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Jun 8, 2017 13:41
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If it's a GM's screen ala the the FFG screens where it's basically a mini-sourcebook and a screen sturdy enough to be used as a murder weapon, I could maybe see charging 35 bucks.
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Jun 8, 2017 13:45
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Splicer posted:That cube thing from earlier is over 400 bucks Quite a bit more over $400... 
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Jun 8, 2017 14:40
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Drone posted:Mophidious just put up pre-orders for their new Star Trek Adventures RPG based on their 2d20 system. I was registered for the playtest but never got a chance to give it a spin, anyone know what the feedback looked like before I decide to blindly buy it based on IP alone? Has there -ever- been a Trek-based RPG game that wasn't poo poo?
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Jun 8, 2017 14:47
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Lol fleecing star Trek whales is basically a public service
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Jun 8, 2017 14:54
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Also, the character talents don't exactly seem balanced:A few talents from the pre-gen chars posted:Careful Words: When engaged in social conflict, and buying additional d20s with Momentum, you may re-roll your dice pool.
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Jun 8, 2017 15:25
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Drone posted:The non-collectors edition of the game has a bunch of negative ratings from people who think $59 is an outrageous sum of money to ask for an RPG. RPG Companies: We kind of undercut our costs to maintain sales, even though production and quality has suffered and it has stifled the growth of the industry as a whole. Grogs: We want it even cheaper!!! It should all be free! You entitled millennial!
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Jun 8, 2017 15:27
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They probably saw how many gullible nerds got fleeced by Invisible Sun, so they might as well go that route too.
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Jun 8, 2017 15:28
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Haystack posted:Lol fleecing
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Jun 8, 2017 15:36
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g0del posted:Also, the character talents don't exactly seem balanced: I'm only familiar with the 2d20 system through the Infinity RPG - but what's wrong with those talents? Momentum is the extra successes that you or your group have floating around to spend on later actions. E.g. I crit rolled picking a lock, now I get to burn some Momentum on intimidating the guy inside the door. Threat is the mechanical component that the GM uses to buff their rolls/NPCs, add complications, and incentivize their players. Every player can choose to give the GM threat in exchange for a momentary bonus.
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Jun 8, 2017 16:55
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They apparently introduced a cheaper Borg box collector's thing at the low low price of $324, along with some other changes/clarifications due to "feedback from the community":A Mophidius Email I Just Got posted:Hi there, last night we launched our pre-order for Star Trek Adventures and took to heart the feedback from our community. We spent the night working out some updates to the various items in the pre-order which add more value and give you more options - check them out below.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:18
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Haystack posted:Lol fleecing star Trek whales is basically a public service *putting them in Jail for being Paedophiles
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Jun 8, 2017 17:26
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g0del posted:Also, the character talents don't exactly seem balanced: Assuming this was sorted out anyway: g0del posted:I haven't read enough of the test version rules to fully explain the problem, but there's a thread on their testing forums where a group of min-maxers managed to completely break the system their first try. Something about being able to buy extra dice and re-rolls in such a way that they could also immediately refill the pool used to buy extra dice/re-rolls, meaning that they could throw max dice at every single task and never failed. The designer was kicking around ideas on ways to prevent it, but I have no idea if any fixes made it to the final version.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:27
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Splicer posted:I played some of the beta. What was your impression?
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Jun 8, 2017 17:28
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Drone posted:What was your impression? Splicer posted:I played earlier in the playtest, we ran into some GM issues but the system itself seemed solid. It's a very fail forward system and the GM didn't seem to "get" fail forward. The mechanics for me and the pilot getting into an argument about whose fault it was that we crashed the ship were pretty decent. Definitely going to eyeball that box when it gets an actual price.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:31
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One thing is that their momentum dice thing is doing something like EotE/WFRP3 thing except without funny dice (1234 added to our rolls, 56 added an effect but no raw numbers). It worked well as a mechanic but it felt less good with boring regular dice, further cementing my pro-funny dice position. E: I misremembered, 12 add successes, 34 do nothing, 56 adds effects Splicer fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Jun 8, 2017 17:38
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Cassa posted:But think how cool it'll look gathering dust? I see they're doing the Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 'Augment your Preorder' strategy. That worked well for Square.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:41
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Siivola posted:Who here eenjoys licensed MMOs? They better play up that title for all it's worth. Looking forward to assembling Noah's magic space ark. Or possibly going to a wizard party?
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Jun 8, 2017 18:07
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Splicer posted:Threat is unlimited, you can always take threat if you want. Momentum is limited by circumstance. The threat ones all have more limited focus but the momentum ones have less mechanical availability. This is the thread where the designer talked about some potential solutions, but I skimmed it and couldn't find if he had made a concrete decision on how to fix things (and if he had, it doesn't look like it got play-tested by anyone outside the company).
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Jun 8, 2017 23:05
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The easiest goddamn fix is just make it so you can't gain Momentum on any roll where you spent it. You'd think that would have been the default. 
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Jun 8, 2017 23:08
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Hackmaster had the best gm screen
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Jun 8, 2017 23:57
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Access to the Beta of the Pathfinder CRPG is straight up a hundo bucks but 150 people already signed for it on the first day of kickstarter. Paizo Fans are psychotic.
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Jun 9, 2017 06:58
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Plutonis posted:Access to the Beta of the Pathfinder CRPG is straight up a hundo bucks but 150 people already signed for it on the first day of kickstarter. Paizo Fans are psychotic. don't underestimate the obsessive tendency to eat garbage and love it among the "old-school" crpg types
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Jun 9, 2017 07:18
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I've been intrigued by the kingdom-builder aspect of Kingmaker since it was an adventure path, and the only way I'd be willing to deal with Pathfinder is if I didn't have to screw with the math and fiddly rules, so I find myself thinking more and more about backing this one. Go figure. Sure as poo poo ain't going in for $100 though.
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Jun 9, 2017 13:36
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I've been intrigued by the kingdom-builder aspect of Kingmaker since it was an adventure path, and the only way I'd be willing to deal with Pathfinder is if I didn't have to screw with the math and fiddly rules, so I find myself thinking more and more about backing this one. Go figure. There are a billion ways to get that kingdom-builder thing going that don't involve Pathfinder at all, so you can scratch that itch anytime you want. There's Reign, old D&D, any given Kevin Crawford game, that new Fragged Empire expansion, GURPS, probably a ton of stuff I'm forgetting.
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Jun 9, 2017 13:58
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I've been intrigued by the kingdom-builder aspect of Kingmaker since it was an adventure path, and the only way I'd be willing to deal with Pathfinder is if I didn't have to screw with the math and fiddly rules, so I find myself thinking more and more about backing this one. Go figure.
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Jun 9, 2017 15:04
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You could just play GREG STAFFORD'S THE GREAT PENDRAGON CAMPAIGN or perhaps RUN IT FOR ME
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Jun 9, 2017 16:27
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Pendragon is dope, but pretty dang terrible to run online. Play by post is especially terrible. I ran one on these forums a few years back, and a single big combat will take like three weeks.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:45
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Why did I have to become aware of Fragged Empire right after starting a space-faring campaign with a different system? Now I can't get Fragged Empire out of my head but I already got my players into Strike and put a bunch of work into setting stuff up for them  The eternal woes of a GM with the attention span of drunk goldfish I guess
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Jun 9, 2017 18:39
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Plutonis posted:You could just play GREG STAFFORD'S THE GREAT PENDRAGON CAMPAIGN or perhaps RUN IT FOR ME I am hunting for this at GenCon this year. I was big into Arthurian legends in middle/high school, so to get a physical copy of this and to get Greg Stafford to sign it would be what you might call "a big win" for me.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:05
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LuiCypher posted:I am hunting for this at GenCon this year. I was big into Arthurian legends in middle/high school, so to get a physical copy of this and to get Greg Stafford to sign it would be what you might call "a big win" for me. I thought you weren't American...?
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Jun 9, 2017 19:21
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LuiCypher posted:I am hunting for this at GenCon this year. I was big into Arthurian legends in middle/high school, so to get a physical copy of this and to get Greg Stafford to sign it would be what you might call "a big win" for me. He's been at the Chaosium booth the last few years. I can also confirm that he does sell Pendragon there and that he will sign it 
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Jun 9, 2017 20:57
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Haystack posted:He's been at the Chaosium booth the last few years. I can also confirm that he does sell Pendragon there and that he will sign it He's a cool, chill old dude and he signed all my Guide to Glorantha stuff and my buddy's Pendragon pack in succession. Sandy Petersen conversely is like the J. Jonah Jameson of RPG dev's.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:There are a billion ways to get that kingdom-builder thing going that don't involve Pathfinder at all, so you can scratch that itch anytime you want. There's Reign, old D&D, any given Kevin Crawford game, that new Fragged Empire expansion, GURPS, probably a ton of stuff I'm forgetting. The Kickstarter is for a video game though, and none of those are video games and would thus not do the math for you.
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