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Sweevo posted:every few years i think mainframes might be interesting to learn about and every time i get five minutes in before it turns into a hall of mirrors nightmare of impenetrable three-letter acronyms and weird non-standard terminology VAX/VMS
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Sweevo posted:every few years i think mainframes might be interesting to learn about and every time i get five minutes in before it turns into a hall of mirrors nightmare of impenetrable three-letter acronyms and weird non-standard terminology actually i think you'll find that s360 family computers have been around for far longer than micros and therefore it is the microcomputers that are nons-*chokes on own grey beard*
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carry on then posted:actually i think you'll find that s360 family computers have been around for far longer than micros and therefore it is the microcomputers that are nons-*chokes on own grey beard* i like how all the IBM hardware pages on wikipedia read like advertising copy with endless praise for whichever watson was running the company when it was designed Mac update: the powerplant tutorial books included with codewarrior have helped me get a quickdraw window up and running to draw in! now to figure out timed events and spinning a square at 60fps so i can have feature parity with the apple 2gs 
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ctps: if you are doing a java, guava fucken owns and you should probably be using it
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carry on then posted:actually i think you'll find that s360 family computers have been around for far longer than micros and therefore it is the microcomputers that are nons-*chokes on own grey beard* we have these things called "files" now grandpa, i have no idea what a "dataset" is or why i have to CMK into the JEP to mount one before I can TBS it over to the PVK
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Arcsech posted:ctps: if you are doing a java, guava fucken owns and you should probably be using it anything similar for C#? yesterday I was looking up immutable object updates and found a bunch of blog posts with bullshit I don't want to copy and paste into my project
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Arcsech posted:ctps: if you are doing a java, guava fucken owns and you should probably be using it ya most google java stuff owns a lot guice, autovalue, autofactory are good too jackson is objectively the best json library although that's not a google thing
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guice is a dumb fuckin name
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Sapozhnik posted:jackson is objectively the best json library although that's not a google thing Gson is convenient for non performance critical areas though.
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Bloody posted:guice is a dumb fuckin name it is the docs aren't great either but once you get how it works it's pretty dece
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Flat Daddy posted:anything similar for C#? yesterday I was looking up immutable object updates and found a bunch of blog posts with bullshit I don't want to copy and paste into my project https://github.com/louthy/language-ext
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luigi posting os9 screenshots is killing me because it looks 100x better than any modern os.
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yeah beos also looks really nice and it would be great if that style of ui made a comeback
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classic macos finder is still the only good file manager ever written
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real mixed feelings about this. it's cool but like, f# exists if you really want to be a functional weenie in .net-land and at least then you're officially supported and in a community that's guaranteed to be into it. (i know you're more than familiar with f# and this isn't news).
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jony neuemonic posted:real mixed feelings about this. it's cool but like, f# exists if you really want to be a functional weenie in .net-land and at least then you're officially supported and in a community that's guaranteed to be into it. broadly agree. sometimes you just want a convenient toolbox of utility functions to add to your project though
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Soricidus posted:classic macos finder is still the only good file manager ever written have you used Tracker in BeOS & Haiku? it's basically the classic Mac Finder
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 I appear to have stumbled into this G++ feature:https://www.zerotier.com/blog/2017-05-05-theleak.shtml I went with TCMalloc instead of JEMalloc to resolve it though. I have the fortune to only experience it in production, so much awesome sauce.
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what did people use for "Mac" "gaming" in ye olden days was everything just QuickDraw and homemade wrappers around QuickDraw API functions Bonus QuickDraw GX/GameSprockets appearance as required that window with a rectangle and a dot is just overriding default behavior of a PowerPlant pane to do some QD stuff Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:what did people use for "Mac" "gaming" in ye olden days the only game I can even think of is escape velocity nova
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leper khan posted:the only game I can even think of is escape velocity nova escape velocity escape velocity override marathon uhhhhh escape velocity had a cool modding scene though because everything editable was implemented as a Resource
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dangerous dave
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marathon!
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Arcsech posted:ctps: if you are doing a java, guava fucken owns and you should probably be using it or just use java 8
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Pie Colony posted:or just use java 8 or just don't use java because anything else is better
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Luigi Thirty posted:escape velocity this was good fun when you wanted to use mods with the windows version, because you'd unzip them and they'd be zero bytes because the file system didn't actually support resource forks you had to use a special tool that you found on a sketchy forum somewhere to extract it into the format that the windows version expected
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spectre vr
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Luigi Thirty posted:what did people use for "Mac" "gaming" in ye olden days oh no, people would create a full-screen window for the main screen, get its GWorld, and do direct pixel manipulation and blitting (including avoiding CopyBits); the DrawSprocket component in GameSprockets encapsulated this in a way that also handled resolution switching, blanking other displays, and so on John Calhoun put a bit of his old code on GitHub, including the source for Pararena 2 the book "Tips of the Mac Game Programming Gurus" had a lot of good details about the mechanics of creating a Mac game
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i see. I will have to look up all that source code and mess with GWorlds (I know they're offscreen pixel buffers but not how you use them) but I'm having fun drawing into a QuickDraw window atm whipped up a wrapper around a std::vector<Point> and hey look, little 2D shapes  also, postin' from Classilla 9.3.3 on Mac OS 9.2.2, it doesn't mangle the forums css too badly e: wow it's literally one field and a few lines of code and i can draw to an offscreen buffer. no wonder everyone used codewarrior Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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akadajet posted:or just don't use java because anything else is better oh my sweet summer child
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Pie Colony posted:or just use java 8 we do use java 8, guava is still v useful Sapozhnik posted:ya most google java stuff owns a lot guice is also quite nice. haven't used either of the others Jackson is pretty great although sometimes it fights with Lombok and that's real annoying
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Bloody posted:guice is a dumb fuckin name also this is correct
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any reason other than. "oracle" as to why shitload of db tools are jvm?
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i couldn't find good animated gif software so here's me VNCing into my iMac now that I've figured out A) how to double-buffer drawing with GWorld (it's like five extra lines in PowerPlant h*ll yes) and B) rotate a filled polygon using my wrapper class. due to  /lack of understanding I just hooked it up so it rotates 1 degree on every application event loop. runs at ~45 updates per second, lol so i can position and rotate 2D shapes on a plane. nice Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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gnnnnnnnn stipples and single pixel lines
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cinci zoo sniper posted:any reason other than. "oracle" as to why shitload of db tools are jvm? java is the new cobol, the boring business language used to by everyone to make the boring business things work
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cinci zoo sniper posted:any reason other than. "oracle" as to why shitload of db tools are jvm? Solaris, Linux, and Windows, it was much worse before Java.
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anyone think bill gates still knows how to code? even visual basic?
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Brain Candy posted:java is the new cobol, the boring business language used to by everyone to make the boring business things work except that java is actually a good language with a thriving ecosystem and libraries to do all kinds of things both boring and otherwise shame it didn't get good till about 10 years after all the trendfollowers wrote it off as the new cobol
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