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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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SpaceDrake posted:The media, especially the Conservative-friendly parts owned by Murdoch, would be ever more vicious, though. And they'll look like massive cunts for it which is fine.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Surely Corbz would rock another election with this wind behind him? Yeah, now that he's a proven force, and Labour figures are increasingly sounding they're behind him as a result, he's likely to be storming it. SpaceDrake posted:The media, especially the Conservative-friendly parts owned by Murdoch, would be ever more vicious, though. They've got nowt left though, they've already spunked everything they've got and if any of it stuck, it hasn't done nearly enough.
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't understand. I don't live in the UK and am trying to get a grasp - the Cons fall just short of a majority but sneak through with the Lib Dems as a minority government, yeah? Isn't that the most likely outcome? At the start of the campaign, polls showed a complete tory landslide, with corbyn just recovering from his party's repeated attempts to backstab him. May declared the election to aim for a massive mandate, and failed completely.
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TheRat posted:LIB DEMS GAIN FROM CONSERVATIVES - OXFORD & ABINGDON #libdemfightback!
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Jun 9, 2017 05:05
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't understand. I don't live in the UK and am trying to get a grasp - the Cons fall just short of a majority but sneak through with the Lib Dems as a minority government, yeah? Isn't that the most likely outcome? It's somewhat unlikely the Tories could sway the Lib Dems - there's bad blood there. Not impossible, though. Their more likely partners would be the Democratic Unionists from Northern Ireland, who could just barely put them over. It's much more likely the LibDems would swallow their pride and work with Corbyn, especially if Corbyn has the sense to compromise at least a little but still keep the big planks like saving the NHS and nationalizing a lot of utilities and dealing with tuition. But yes, it's looking like either party will fall short and will need minor coalition parties to even consider forming a government.
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axeil posted:From what I understand the Lib Dems were burned so badly by this last time they won't even consider it. Its the Tories+Irish Unionists or another election it seems like. Yeah, remember the Tories have basically merged with the uup before, playing the Ulster card and all that.
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axeil posted:
Didn't the EU negotiators say they'd be willing to put them on hold for a bit if Labour won? I guess a hung parliament could also trigger a pause.
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Murderion posted:At the start of the campaign, polls showed a complete tory landslide, with corbyn just recovering from his party's repeated attempts to backstab him. May declared the election to aim for a massive mandate, and failed completely. Seriously this. People are like "nice one celebrating a loss" but when it looks like an assured annihilation and you fight to a stalemate, that's incredibly good.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Forecast back at 318. The BBC forecast isn't even really updated, it's not even the same thing on TV as is being projected on the wall somewhere and it's also different from their online projection.
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Another ignorant American here: I had heard that IndyRef2 was a strong possibility in the wake of Brexit. Now it seems as though even Brexit isn't enough of a threat to make independence happen. Am I just overestimating the amount of resentment that Scotland feels toward Westminster/England in general?
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The best thing will be when Trump calls May. That dumb rear end will think she has won and it will just rub salt into the wound
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't understand. I don't live in the UK and am trying to get a grasp - the Cons fall just short of a majority but sneak through with the Lib Dems as a minority government, yeah? Isn't that the most likely outcome? From what I gather, the Tories need those English settlers in Belfast to keep a majority. I think the Lib Dems are some kind of front runner who will join up with whoever promises them the most votes.
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't understand. I don't live in the UK and am trying to get a grasp - the Cons fall just short of a majority but sneak through with the Lib Dems as a minority government, yeah? Isn't that the most likely outcome? AS I understand it, basically: 1) two months ago it was looking like reagan-mondale 2) now it's basically even with a slight conservative lean 3) the lib dems might be better off not winning outright right now because they don't want to end up owning the Brexit aftermath which will be horrible
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Julio Cruz posted:Lib Dems aren't going to go anywhere near a(nother) coalition with the Tories. Most likely right now is a Conservative/DUP coalition which will have a majority of about 2 or 3. Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours.
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Raged posted:The best thing will be when Trump calls May. Lol this is totally going to happen
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Benny Harvey posted:Yeah, remember the Tories have basically merged with the uup before, playing the Ulster card and all that. UUP is gone, though.
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Jun 9, 2017 05:09
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Lol the Home Secretary kept demanding recounts until she 'won.' Nothing to see there.
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Benny Harvey posted:Yeah, remember the Tories have basically merged with the uup before, playing the Ulster card and all that. Ulster card?
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Hope is certain, death is a lie.
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. Last time we had a situation like that was in the late 70s with Jim Callaghan's government trying desperately to cling on in the face of Thatcher and the whips were doing things like literally wheeling nearly-dead members to Parliament and pushing them through the lobbies
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Power Windows posted:Another ignorant American here: I had heard that IndyRef2 was a strong possibility in the wake of Brexit. Now it seems as though even Brexit isn't enough of a threat to make independence happen. Am I just overestimating the amount of resentment that Scotland feels toward Westminster/England in general? Right now it's just impossible to tell. One of the side stories of the night is that the Scots Nationalists are getting loving slaughtered in Westminster itself. They've lost literally half the seats in Scotland, dozens of them, including one belonging to a former First loving Minister of Scotland. There's still a lot of anger toward the way London's been handling Scotland, but right now it's looking like people are less chuffed with the SNP than they were.
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. It's going to be loving messy, that's for sure. Most likely there's going to be another election within the next year-18 months.
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. At least one of the Tory MPs who held has already been charged over election expenses issues from 2015, to boot.
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Jun 9, 2017 05:11
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. Iirc whipping is taken far more seriously in parliamentary systems. If a ton of people buck your majority then you're more or less forced into a vote of no confidence and new elections
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Corbyn has transformed Labour from a party that was in a death spiral, conceding on every issue to a genuine opposition. His policies are great and they have energized young people. I think he can win the next election, which may be very soon.
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So Corbyn is definitely gonna stay on as leader, right?
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Hahaha the walkback from PLP Labour ITS UH A BROAD CHURCH AND WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER
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hakimashou posted:Lol the Home Secretary kept demanding recounts until she 'won.' How fast does it take an MI5 Land Rover to drive over with a box of 'found' ballots?
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. MPs object a lot. The job of controlling them is assigned to "whips", a UK politics name almost as cool as "shadow chancellor". The DUP has already said that their compliance is contingent on softening Brexit. It's almost the opposite of what the Tories wanted.
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. It's pretty drat unworkable and leaves you highly vulnerable to byelections as well.
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Julio Cruz posted:It's going to be loving messy, that's for sure. Most likely there's going to be another election within the next year-18 months. I am so ready, let's do this.
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Jun 9, 2017 05:12
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Power Windows posted:Another ignorant American here: I had heard that IndyRef2 was a strong possibility in the wake of Brexit. Now it seems as though even Brexit isn't enough of a threat to make independence happen. Am I just overestimating the amount of resentment that Scotland feels toward Westminster/England in general? Even many people who are pro-Independence don't want to deal with independence in the wake of Brexit. One massive national shake-up is enough for people to deal with at a time. People are just referendumed out.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:3) the lib dems might be better off not winning outright right now because they don't want to end up owning the Brexit aftermath which will be horrible Labour, not lib dem.
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Julio Cruz posted:It's going to be loving messy, that's for sure. Most likely there's going to be another election within the next year-18 months. They can't due to Brexit. It really makes holding another GE impossible for 18 months, unless of course you want to put party politics ahead of the country - which knowing the Tories they could well do as they are that loving stupid at times.
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smug n stuff posted:So Corbyn is definitely gonna stay on as leader, right? He's completely untouchable now
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smug n stuff posted:So Corbyn is definitely gonna stay on as leader, right? I wouldn't put it past the PLP to throw another Yvette Cooper into the line of fire. After all, Corbyn lost the election!
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SNP may well come back in future elections depending on how Brexit plays out.
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Power Windows posted:Am I just overestimating the amount of resentment that Scotland feels toward Westminster/England in general? TLDR: Yes Nicola Sturgeon stirred up some poo poo about indyref2 despite never really analysing and answering the questions of why the first one failed in the first place, namely the economic one. Basically hoping to capture votes based on emotional reactions to Brexit to make Scotland stay in the EU and jetting around trying to make deals. A noble gesture but one in hindsight that let the other parties to capitalize on the Unionist angle to split the vote in Scotland.
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axeil posted:Is a 2 or 3 seat majority even a working one in Parliament? How often do MPs object or abstain from votes. Vote-wrangling is a big deal here in the States but I can imagine it's much more difficult to do if you have to wrangle votes out of a party that isn't even yours. Parties can threaten their MPs with being delisted as candidates if they don't tow the line. ChrisAsmadi posted:UUP is gone, though. Dup isn't much different though. axeil posted:Ulster card? Tories playing up the unionist angle when it suits them even though English people don't give a gently caress about the Northern Irish statelet.
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