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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
This is kind of like the end of the first Rocky when you think about it lol

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Flunchy posted:

I dunno actually, I don't think it's a major factor but there's pretty much universal revulsion of Trump in this country and the pictures of him and May holding hands were widely used to attack her. I think Trump also gives a smidge of energy to young activists as he so obviously represents all that's vile and moronic in the world. He's a big target and association with him is anathema to them.
Trump also kept opening his mouth, attacking Sadiq Khan, etc. and reporters were asking May to respond, and she didn't for alternatively realpolitik ("we just have to work with him") or craven reasons, which hardly made her situation any better though I don't know if it hurt her. Just another thing to pile onto the garbage heap.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You know when this all gets recorded in the history books people are going to think it was all made up because none of this poo poo is believable.

The latter half of the 2010s is going to be loving herodotus' histories.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I don't know if scottish labour are allowed knives at this point.

They're also not allowed to drink in public or at football games

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

Angepain posted:

Who are the best people to replace her with now? Last time I was paying attention, looked like they'd run through all their top brass through the chain resignations of the last few years

Ironically at this point their best bet is to become a branch office

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Do be fair, they haven't had a war with you guys in centuries. They have no way of knowing your geography.

Pretty much, find some oil and then I'll refer to you as the UK or whatever.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

OwlFancier posted:

You know when this all gets recorded in the history books people are going to think it was all made up because none of this poo poo is believable.

So they poisoned him, shot him, wrapped him in chains and threw him in an icy river and he was found dead trying to claw his way out only a few seats from forming government?

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

OwlFancier posted:

I don't know if scottish labour are allowed knives at this point.

would be pretty hypocritical of them. I remember the scottish parliament election where the snp won a majority for the first time, where the entire scottish labour campaign seemed to consist of something nobody really cared about about stronger sentences for knife crime. strong and competent leadership.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Knifegrab posted:

Pretty much, find some oil and then I'll refer to you as the UK or whatever.

There used to be quite a bit in the north sea until we mined it.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
3rd Kensington recount about to begin. Recount #2 had a 20 vote Labour lead, in a constituency which had a 21% Tory lead in 2015

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Knifegrab posted:

Pretty much, find some oil and then I'll refer to you as the UK or whatever.

They have oil in the North Sea.

Oh no, what have I done!

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

OwlFancier posted:

You know when this all gets recorded in the history books people are going to think it was all made up because none of this poo poo is believable.

The latter half of the 2010s is going to be loving herodotus' histories.

how well do you remember the Blair years by Portillo's defeat, which was the headline item of the age?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

OwlFancier posted:

There used to be quite a bit in the north sea until we mined it.

What, again?

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

ronya posted:

how well do you remember the Blair years by Portillo's defeat, which was the headline item of the age?

Not, because I was... about eight.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Angepain posted:

Who are the best people to replace her with now? Last time I was paying attention, looked like they'd run through all their top brass through the chain resignations of the last few years

Autonomous Monster pointed out Neil Findlay earlier. There's also Alex Rowley.

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

A penchant for Julius Caesar perhaps?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

It's a thing in Australia too.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

Well we actually have gun control

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Wait why would the tabloids be absolutely crushed by this? (Sun, Mail, etc)

And why aren't they outlawed?

How can you make Freedom of the Press regulated against tabloids and fake news anyway?

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.
Nice username/post combo.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

Politically, the "night of the long knives" is a saying used to mean vicious intra-party fighting.

Also we are a very knife focused culture. Scots have their Sgian-dubh, England's got Seaxes, Wales probably has some kind of shanking implement as well.

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

Tsaedje posted:

Well we actually have gun control

Yeah but we're not always like "The GOP is gonna shoot donny" or "The GOP is loading and aiming their rifles are the only cheetoh man".

JT Jag posted:

Nice username/post combo.

Its a nemonic to help remember!

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

No real word yet on how the majority of pollsters got it so catastrophically wrong yet again. Obviously it was the youth vote wot done it, but I don't envy the people who now have to try and reweight their polls to make them accurate. I do wonder if we could start seeing Labour leads in the polls though.

Interestingly the line of most Tory MPs and right-wing Labour MPs is that the dementia tax was the defining issue because it turned off the old vote. The subtext being the praise shouldn't go to Corbyn. But that seems at odds with the polls which showed the old vote holding up very well, just being matched by massive youth turnout.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

OwlFancier posted:

Not, because I was... about eight.

well, it was a big thing then. Symbol of the extent of Labour triumph. But not really memorialised; nobody even thinks of Tories in terms of Thatcher-era wets and dries any more

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Why don't we have a four nations knife fight to go with the cheese suicide and the shin kicking competition?

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Magner posted:

For what it's worth we've generally stopped pointing out who used to be a terrorist here in NI. We'd never get anything done otherwise. Not that we get much done.

Ah, it's going to be a fun few years of "our terrorist sympathising is better than your terrorist sympathising"

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

It's a way of saying that her "allies" are getting ready to stab her in the back.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

We don't have many guns.

e: oh I'm super late on that one

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

jabby posted:

No real word yet on how the majority of pollsters got it so catastrophically wrong yet again. Obviously it was the youth vote wot done it, but I don't envy the people who now have to try and reweight their polls to make them accurate. I do wonder if we could start seeing Labour leads in the polls though.

Interestingly the line of most Tory MPs and right-wing Labour MPs is that the dementia tax was the defining issue because it turned off the old vote. The subtext being the praise shouldn't go to Corbyn. But that seems at odds with the polls which showed the old vote holding up very well, just being matched by massive youth turnout.

Yeah, any talk about the dementia tax I'd see as pretty euphemistically referring to the disparity in how the public reacted to the manifestos.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

jabby posted:

No real word yet on how the majority of pollsters got it so catastrophically wrong yet again. Obviously it was the youth vote wot done it, but I don't envy the people who now have to try and reweight their polls to make them accurate. I do wonder if we could start seeing Labour leads in the polls though.

Interestingly the line of most Tory MPs and right-wing Labour MPs is that the dementia tax was the defining issue because it turned off the old vote. The subtext being the praise shouldn't go to Corbyn. But that seems at odds with the polls which showed the old vote holding up very well, just being matched by massive youth turnout.

Yougov and Survation got it more or less right by modelling demographics and taking people at their word that they would vote, everyone else based their model on 2015 when we have a dramatically different political climate 2 years on in the light of the brexit vote.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

Knifegrab posted:

Also what is with you guys constantly using the term "knifing." Like its always sharpening knives and they're gonna knife her. I've never heard it really used elsewhere.

Caesar, plus Shakespeare. In general, the last time having a political rival actually literally killed was a plausible plan (the Tudors maybe?) gunpowder was still only usable in cannons.

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
I guess though we do sometimes say the party has someone in their crosshairs? But drat you guys love your knife analogies.

In your head are they daggers? Dinner knives? I mean I gotta know Britania

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

May really can't afford to reshuffle. Losing the support of even the one Tory MP she sacks would be disasterous.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




So the Conservatives' unjustly earned aura of competence and (lol) stability has got to be pretty much gone now. In two years we've seen Cameron gently caress up the referendum and resign, May putting everyone through an unnecessary general election that she completely fumbled, Europe openly laughing at us just before Brexit negotiations start and the incoming tsunami of shite that this minority coalition government is going to cause.

If there's another election can't Labour just hammer the fact that the Tories are staggeringly incompetent at basically everything?

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

jabby posted:

No real word yet on how the majority of pollsters got it so catastrophically wrong yet again. Obviously it was the youth vote wot done it, but I don't envy the people who now have to try and reweight their polls to make them accurate. I do wonder if we could start seeing Labour leads in the polls though.

Interestingly the line of most Tory MPs and right-wing Labour MPs is that the dementia tax was the defining issue because it turned off the old vote. The subtext being the praise shouldn't go to Corbyn. But that seems at odds with the polls which showed the old vote holding up very well, just being matched by massive youth turnout.

The youth vote is notoriously hard to poll. Both because a lot of it is made up of University students who don't necessarily live where they're being polled, and because they're fickle as gently caress when it comes to actually turning up to vote.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

Grouchio posted:

Can someone explain to me what would come of May forming a coalition with the DUP?

qhat explained already, but basically May has to try and reconcile her party's generally socially liberal policies with a party that is on the level of the Deplorable wing of the Republican party here in the States. Above all, they'll want to maintain the current status quo in NI, otherwise the Good Friday agreement is off and NI is plunged into chaos.

Magner posted:

For what it's worth we've generally stopped pointing out who used to be a terrorist here in NI. We'd never get anything done otherwise. Not that we get much done.

Oh for sure, pretty much all the political leaders in NI at this point were wrapped in the Troubles in some way

but the whole "IRA sympathizer" line was used on Jezza so hard (the ukip idiot even mouthed it during Corbyn's acceptance in his district) and it's just such delicious schadenfreude to see May getting into bed with the god damned UDA

(the UDA are responsible for such wonders as this, for my fellow Americans)

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

radmonger posted:

Caesar, plus Shakespeare. In general, the last time having a political rival actually literally killed was a plausible plan (the Tudors maybe?) gunpowder was still only usable in cannons.

The gunpowder plot?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Knifegrab posted:

I guess though we do sometimes say the party has someone in their crosshairs? But drat you guys love your knife analogies.

In your head are they daggers? Dinner knives? I mean I gotta know Britania

If you're Scottish, twin edged, not too long.

English, about a cubit long, single edged.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 9, 2017

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

Mr. Flunchy posted:

If there's another election can't Labour just hammer the fact that the Tories are staggeringly incompetent at basically everything?

Yes, easily, that's another reason Labour is so happy, Jezza's already turned things around and now, if anything, they've got a little while longer to sow the fields and water 'em, maybe get some fertilizer in there.

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Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

The gunpowder plot?

The barrels were actually full of knives.

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