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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Pershing
Feb 21, 2010

John "Black Jack" Pershing
Hard Fucking Core

Sarah Bellum posted:

It depends on the POV. To Irish republicans they were mostly heroes. Unionists and loyalists invariably think of them, and also anyone who doesn't outright condemn them, as sub-human scum of the earth, unlike their own brave heroic terrorists. Middle of the road people tend to see them as despicable actors in a complicated conflict.

The IRA of the Troubles is no more, or at least sleeping. There are small, breakaway dissident groups that call themselves things like 'The Real IRA' and 'Continuity IRA' that carry out sporadic bombings and shootings and are universally loathed. Those are condemned by SF, and they're represented by tiny fringe parties like Érigi, but Unionists do not discern any difference between them and the IRA, and even Sinn Fein. Unionists still use the term "Sinn Fein/IRA" when talking about Sinn Fein to make sure that their electorate keeps drawing that connection.

(I can't make an i-fada due to the BB code, which is frustrating!)

Thank you for this. As an American, I'd say I'd come down on the 'Republican' side but I recognize that this is driven by how highly romanticized the IRA is in American Catholic/Irish-American circles. I mean poo poo we have a sitting member of Congress who raised money to buy arms for them.

Not that my opinion matters much...its not my country after all.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/873191259472637953

https://twitter.com/frankcottrell_b...r%3D133%23pti12

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Spicy.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
Kensington makes it eleven seats with majorities of under 100, fifty-one with majorities under 1000.
:stare:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Corbyn makes marginal and wins seats which have been locked up for a literal loving century while producing a staggering youth turnout with a massive labour advantage

A real leader would have won!

Purge the loving centre

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Fans posted:

There will be blood :unsmigghh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CF2PbJsaW8

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006


:getin:

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Pissflaps posted:

What sort of person asks a question on Question Time while wearing headphones?

Ah, sobered up have we? Did Mrs Flaps have a face like stone this morn8ng, after you woke the bairn up?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Imagine being that loyal to your employer

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting
Oh shiiiitttttt. That's a bit of a curve ball.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

I suppose someone at Tory HQ claimed that things couldn't get worse last night and Theresa was all hold my beer.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
Campbell: 'If you want to help democracy stop buying the bloody daily mail' and that was the closing line. Love it.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Fire her into the sun please

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

oh god this is going to end well

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Hoops posted:

Oh shiiiitttttt. That's a bit of a curve ball.

i think its someone deciding to wind everyone up but lol if its true

Bueno Papi
May 10, 2009

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

Have to swear an oath to the Queen.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Ah, that'd do it.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

They'd have to swear an oath of loyalty to the queen to do so.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Do it, SF. Come sit at Westminster. Prop up jam grandpa. Do it. We'll let you take the oath and mumble through the bit about the queen

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

As a MP you need to swear an oath of loyalty to the Queen before you can take your seat and SF are hardcore Irish republicans.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

Taking your seat means swearing loyalty to the Queen.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Hoops posted:

Oh shiiiitttttt. That's a bit of a curve ball.

Wait waaaat explain for an American please

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Wait waaaat explain for an American please

Picture the scene from Game of Thrones where Cersei says "I choose violence"

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

What sort of person asks a question on Question Time while wearing headphones?

Hearing impaired?

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

They don't believe our government is legitimate and want to succeed so they refuse to take part in it

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Solemn Sloth posted:

Purge the loving centre

Absolutely this. After reading those replies to Owen's thing. Don't let any centrist gently caress get anywhere near any amount of power ever again. Destroy them. It's the only hope.

Murderion
Oct 4, 2009

2019. New York is in ruins. The global economy is spiralling. Cyborgs rule over poisoned wastes.

The only time that's left is
FUN TIME

No, really, don't. The very worst possible outcome of Brexit was a possible restart to the Troubles caused by a breakdown in the Good Friday agreement. The predicted one would be leaving the ECHR, but this is orders of magnitude worse.

The only upside is that the longer this goes on, the worse it is for the Tories, and that's not something I want paid for with human lives.

Night10194 posted:

Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

It's protesting the illegitimacy of the Westminster parliament ruling over Northern Ireland.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Gonzo McFee posted:

Hearing impaired?

They were round his neck?

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

They were round his neck?

Then a youth?

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Pissflaps, Ross Noble on bbc1

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Wait waaaat explain for an American please

The Good Friday Agreement is what finally got the IRA and the Loyalists to stop killing people, so anything that undermines it is kinda bad.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Pershing posted:

Thank you for this. As an American, I'd say I'd come down on the 'Republican' side but I recognize that this is driven by how highly romanticized the IRA is in American Catholic/Irish-American circles. I mean poo poo we have a sitting member of Congress who raised money to buy arms for them.

Not that my opinion matters much...its not my country after all.

I spent a year at an American uni back before 9/11 and one of my good friends would regularly insist on telling me how cool his grandma was for smuggling diamonds for the IRA. We were both young and dumb and I suspect this was a story lots of Irish Americans would trade on when the reality was probably er... just not true.

9/11 caused him, I think, to realise for the first tie the impact of terrorism and that he was boasting about raising funds to kill civilians and he hasn't raised the issue with me since. Although we both also grew up I guess.

I think my point is probably, as a British person in their mid thirties I don't really feel comfortable claiming I know anything about this and would rather we all move on.

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Wait waaaat explain for an American please

Landmark peace treaty that marked the end of The Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

Cerebral Bore posted:

The Good Friday Agreement is what finally got the IRA and the Loyalists to stop killing people, so anything that undermines it is kinda bad.

How would a Tory-DUP coalition undermine the terms of the Good Friday Agreement?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Mods when are we all getting Corbyn gang tags? Also red and black flags for the UKMT anarchist division. Tyvm

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Wait waaaat explain for an American please

you asked why corbyn is called the jam man earlier and were given lots of answers except for the best one. Mid interview iwth the BBC he pulled out a jar of jam and gave it to the interview

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Boing posted:

How would a Tory-DUP coalition undermine the terms of the Good Friday Agreement?

NI is supposed to be independently ruled. That doesn't work if DUP has Tories by the balls.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Captain Fargle posted:

Landmark peace treaty that marked the end of The Troubles in Northern Ireland.

So are they saying that giving the Unionists a role somehow breaks that agreement?

Was that like a meaningful threat then?

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Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

Boing posted:

How would a Tory-DUP coalition undermine the terms of the Good Friday Agreement?

Watch.

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/873188501990371330

Now bear in mind that the IRA (Sinn Fein side) set off 1.5 tonnes of semtex in the middle of a city just because the UK government were stalling negotiations.

IRA aint nothing to gently caress with.... and yet...

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