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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

This day just keeps on giving.

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Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008




Please stop

I cant keep up

I can only get so erect at how much of a political dumpster fire this is turning into

Its like a loving may day parade with bunting and fireworks and then the lovely papier mache duck float is set on fire

its loving glorious

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


TinTower posted:

After all, there are foreign leaders currently in power who have given money and resources to the IRA before.

Such as Donald Trump. :v:

(The spin-on-a-tuppence that American conservatives did regarding terrorism after 9/11 always provides hilarious irony.)

Yeah, the USA looking the other way to fund and arm the IRA was honestly some of the biggest bullshit.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Yes, I know that (I spent an unbelievable amount of time explaining this in 2010).

I'm talking about the fact that in actual constitutional terms May didn't go to the Queen and say that - the Queen, on advice of the Privy Council, asked May to form a government. It is then up to Parliament to ratify that government the debate and vote on the speech. I don't know if it's within the Prerogative for the Queen to ask someone else to form a government once she's asked someone without Parliament's approval, and I was wondering if anyone else did.
Yeah, sorry; I realised after writing that that I might have misunderstood your question.

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Another American wanting to know a bit of what happened: Did Theresa May call for an early election to make herself look good and end up blowing it? Also, will they still hold the election they were going to have next year?
Yes, though technically it was to solidify her power base rather than to look good.
There's now no requirement to have another election for a full five years, but it's looking very likely that there will be one sooner. Possibly much, much sooner.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

This day just keeps on giving.

The thing is, newly elected Tory MPs would probably quite like to keep their jobs if they can and probably trying for a soft Brexit in a Remain country is a good bet for them.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

The fact like zero national newspapers covered the UDA shooting and now suddenly they are tripping over themselves to talk about it is the direct inverse of the right wing using the IRA purely to score points against Labour.

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Another American wanting to know a bit of what happened: Did Theresa May call for an early election to make herself look good and end up blowing it? Also, will they still hold the election they were going to have next year?
P.S. Good job to everyone who voted and worked to make it happen, gives me some hope in these trying times.

Yes and then no.

Yes May called for an election because Labour were in in open revolt and she wanted to get more MPs.

The next election will be in 5 years unless her government collapses and Liz has to step in.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

kustomkarkommando posted:

The fact like zero national newspapers covered the UDA shooting and now suddenly they are tripping over themselves to talk about it is the direct inverse of the right wing using the IRA purely to score points against Labour.

so you're saying its cool and good rather than slanderous and poo poo

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


"Lost their seats and didn't deserve to" Soo.... None of them?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Yes, I know that (I spent an unbelievable amount of time explaining this in 2010).

I'm talking about the fact that in actual constitutional terms May didn't go to the Queen and say that - the Queen, on advice of the Privy Council, asked May to form a government. It is then up to Parliament to ratify that government the debate and vote on the speech. I don't know if it's within the Prerogative for the Queen to ask someone else to form a government once she's asked someone without Parliament's approval, and I was wondering if anyone else did.

I understand your question now. That is interesting. Would it not be one of those things that triggers a constitutional crisis? I mean theoretically she can just skip May and ask Corbyn, right?

Verizian
Dec 18, 2004
The spiky one.

Ok it was a good cover but the comments made my eye twitch by ignoring NIN and Reznor.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

SpaceDrake posted:

Goddamn this is an exciting time to follow UK politics and I'm glad I'm at least broadly familiar with most of it

I'm from the U.S., and I've been following this stuff quite closely over the past couple of weeks because of Corbyn's message. I've learned so much about U.K. politics, but I'm still quite stupid about it. I'll be interested to watch the drama unfold over the next few weeks. :)

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Welcome to our socialist dystopia

Cant lie, I am incredibly curious that norwegian politics can be as much of a dumpster fire as UK.

Angepain posted:

do Norwegian farmers have access to lutefisk in bulk and can they effectively weaponise them

Yes, its called Jul (christmas)

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

What's with all the nice Americans showing up? This is not what we've become accustomed to over the past couple of weeks.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

One subtext to pick up on n that telegraph article is that it again singles out one of May's team as being the problem, in this case Fiona Campbell. Every article today that has contained briefings from senior tories has singled out at least one member of her team, and n one case you've had a back bencher calling openly for her to fire her advisors.

The Tories smell blood and they're now trying to isolate her.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I cannot express in words how much I hate this Isabel Oakenshotte lady

Also lol at the guy blaming labour for creating a hung parliament by being too popular wtf

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/873295622660644864

:getin:

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Miftan posted:

"Lost their seats and didn't deserve to" Soo.... None of them?


I understand your question now. That is interesting. Would it not be one of those things that triggers a constitutional crisis? I mean theoretically she can just skip May and ask Corbyn, right?

She's already asked May, who assured her she can form a government. If enough Tories rebel against doing a deal with the DUP that's in serious jeopardy. The constitution is pretty clear on what happens next, so there's no crisis: Corbyn as leader of the second largest party gets a shot at forming a government, and if he can't either then we have another election.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Miftan posted:

UKMT is pretty chill if you're not a racist butt.

What if you're not a racist, butt

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Jose posted:

so you're saying its cool and good rather than slanderous and poo poo

I just mean its the same poo poo from the opposite side.

Ive been telling people to read this recently cause it kind of gets my feelings on the issue:


Siobhan Fenton posted:

Northern Ireland and the conflict is only ever mentioned by English politicians in order to make cheap and cynical points about their own politics...

It is clear that their faux concern about Corbyn and the IRA was never about Northern Irish people, our safety in the present, or our trauma from the past. Rather, their concern about paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland has been an opportunity to make jibes about the Labour leader, ostensibly on our behalf, but with no true knowledge of violence in Northern Ireland. This weekend’s murder involves a nuanced discussion of paramilitaries in Northern Ireland and has little overt connection to England, so it will make few news bulletins or headlines.

There are many serious and difficult conversations which must urgently be had about Northern Ireland and the continued threat and activity of paramilitary groups. These include whether we need a truth commission to be established, whether current police resources under austerity are adequate to tackle the threat, and how paramilitary groups continue to be armed and operating, often in broad daylight.

Yet, we in Northern Ireland know we will never get these conversations with the English. Instead, the conflict is only ever mentioned by English politicians in order to make cynical points about their own politics.

It is difficult to find the words to express how insulting it is to see the English media debate what Corbyn may or may not have done decades ago, while remaining eerily silent on a suspected paramilitary murder here just days later. This weekend’s murder throws once again into sharp relief how little the English understand, or care to understand, the reality of the Northern Irish conflict and its legacy.

For the English, Northern Irish people and our trauma are produced like a dark and menacing prop in elections for a bit of excitement. Then we are set aside, with none of our concerns or issues actually addressed, once the English news cycle has moved on. I imagine few in England understand how insulting that is to Northern Irish people, or how damaging to our peace process, but I imagine fewer still will care.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I am so loving tired of politics now. But I can find energy for Jezza.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Tsaedje posted:

She's already asked May, who assured her she can form a government. If enough Tories rebel against doing a deal with the DUP that's in serious jeopardy. The constitution is pretty clear on what happens next, so there's no crisis: Corbyn as leader of the second largest party gets a shot at forming a government, and if he can't either then we have another election.

lol if the tories don't have time for a leadership election before another general

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Tsaedje posted:

She's already asked May, who assured her she can form a government. If enough Tories rebel against doing a deal with the DUP that's in serious jeopardy. The constitution is pretty clear on what happens next, so there's no crisis: Corbyn as leader of the second largest party gets a shot at forming a government, and if he can't either then we have another election.

My question is, can Liz just skip the biggest party and ask the second biggest?

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

ThomasPaine posted:

I cannot express in words how much I hate this Isabel Oakenshotte lady

Also lol at the guy blaming labour for creating a hung parliament by being too popular wtf

Yeah that guy made me laugh. "drat Labour ruining everything by having policies people like! :argh:"

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

kustomkarkommando posted:

The fact like zero national newspapers covered the UDA shooting and now suddenly they are tripping over themselves to talk about it is the direct inverse of the right wing using the IRA purely to score points against Labour.

The UDA had precisely zero relevance, perceived or otherwise, to any of the mainstream British papers before 10pm yesterday.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Times is reporting in tomorrows edition that Hammond has demanded May fire her advisors.

That comes from "sources close to Hammond." So that will be Hammond himself then.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Miftan posted:

My question is, can Liz just skip the biggest party and ask the second biggest?

shes not about to ignore the leader of the largest political party for someone who wants rid of her

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Miftan posted:

My question is, can Liz just skip the biggest party and ask the second biggest?

Why would she?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Tsaedje posted:

She's already asked May, who assured her she can form a government. If enough Tories rebel against doing a deal with the DUP that's in serious jeopardy. The constitution is pretty clear on what happens next, so there's no crisis: Corbyn as leader of the second largest party gets a shot at forming a government, and if he can't either then we have another election.

What sort of timescale would there be for this?

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

peanut- posted:

It's a bit upsetting to see Gideon enjoying himself quite this much




UrbicaMortis fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jun 9, 2017

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Pissflaps posted:

What sort of timescale would there be for this?

Based on '74? Could be as soon as winter.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Miftan posted:

What's with all the nice Americans showing up? This is not what we've become accustomed to over the past couple of weeks.

They're learning that hope is not (always) a lie

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Jose posted:

lol if the tories don't have time for a leadership election before another general

There'd need to be a vote of No Confidence for another GE, which would only happen if there were Tory rebels (not likely while May is still leader, they know they're toast while she's in charge) or the DUP would have to reason that they're better off not getting into bed with the Tories after all, which might happen but is probably unlikely right now.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

I just mean its the same poo poo from the opposite side.

Ive been telling people to read this recently cause it kind of gets my feelings on the issue:

Minor thing, but how do you do the BBcode to attribute a quote to a link? I've been trying to get that to work for ages.

Also that's an excellent article.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I don't know why she would, even if Corbyn wasn't a republican. This came up in Israel a few years ago when the left block had more MPs, but the biggest party was on the right block. It works the same in that the president asks someone to form the government. I was wondering if something like that is even constitutionally possible in the UK because Liz thought that the 2nd biggest party has a better chance of forming a government than the biggest.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Now you've sobered up pissflaps what is your post-election position on JC?

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I mean its funny that the same woman who wrote an article pointing out the british medias use of paramilitaries as spooky props for tory v lab campaigning is now getting her articles picked up on the uda to be used as spooky props

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate

it's so weird that the sun still says "romp" all the time. has anyone ever heard someone say it irl?

LemonyTang
Nov 29, 2009

Ask me about holding 4gate!

https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/873296157270827009

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

NRVNQSR posted:

Minor thing, but how do you do the BBcode to attribute a quote to a link? I've been trying to get that to work for ages.

Also that's an excellent article.

its [quote="[u r l="yoururl"]attribution[/url]"] then close the quote block

but without the spaces, im bad at this

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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Verizian posted:

Ok it was a good cover but the comments made my eye twitch by ignoring NIN and Reznor.

Is there a video of this

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