CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

No I can still complain because not only do drivers need to quit being jackasses to other people in motor vehicles, they need to recognize that due to the inherent vulnerability that comes with cycling they should exercise more care than they do when dealing with other motor vehicles. They need to shut the gently caress up and quit bitching because they're in a car that requires next to no effort to drive and protects them from the elements.

So gently caress drivers and gently caress their cars.

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Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

In the Netherlands I never saw anyone riding on the road because there'a always some level of bike lane or track or provision. I'm a slow rear end rider too so was constantly getting passed, and that's the key, the lanes are wide enough for passing, and there's a curb between not just you and car traffic, but also pedestrians so if you want to go fast you can. They also generally do light timing based on typical bike speeds, so if you do a "normal" speed you hit a green wave when you're in the city so there's no much gained by going super fast. In fact they have a new experimental program where mid-block they measure you speed and show a rabbit, a turtle, a thumbs up, or a sleeping cow. The rabbit means speed up to hit the next green, the turtle means slow down, the thumbs up means you're at the optimal speed, and the sleeping cow means you're going to hit a red anyways so chill out.

In the suburbs and between cities though there's pretty much limited access cycling highways that are really wide and let you go very fast. But the combo of light timing and consistent cycling infrastructure means there's never a speed or safety advantage to ride on the road. I'm not sure what the legality is though about "taking the lane" in NL when a dedicated lane exists though.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 03:48

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hmm yeah I wonder why we can't have western European levels of Infrastructure

# ? Jun 10, 2017 03:52

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

namaste faggots posted:

Hmm yeah I wonder why we can't have western European levels of Infrastructure

It would never work here, Canada is too big a country. I mean just today I went to buy milk in Toronto and my kids go to school in Quebec City. I sure do travel across Canada every day.
(actually the real reason is that we're collectively unambitious, untalented, and terrified of any change to the status quo)

# ? Jun 10, 2017 03:55

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Baronjutter posted:

It would never work here, Canada is too big a country. I mean just today I went to buy milk in Toronto and my kids go to school in Quebec City. I sure do travel across Canada every day.
(actually the real reason is that we're collectively unambitious, untalented, and terrified of any change to the status quo)

I travel long distances at least once a week nowadays.

But I use a plane to do it, gently caress cars :v:

(Except to get to the airport, because transit doesn't go out to Springbank)

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:13

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

namaste faggots posted:

Hmm yeah I wonder why we can't have western European levels of Infrastructure

Capitalism

But mostly laziness

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:15

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Christ knows it's not money, since we spend huge amounts of money on (car-focused) infrastructure.

Consider the sheer linear distance of lanes that need to be plowed every time it loving snows in a major city. Compare that to the maintenance necessary on LRT lines, or even the sum total of plowing to be done on the maneuvering areas of an airport. Car infrastructure is hosed up.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:27

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

PT6A posted:

Christ knows it's not money, since we spend huge amounts of money on (car-focused) infrastructure.

Consider the sheer linear distance of lanes that need to be plowed every time it loving snows in a major city. Compare that to the maintenance necessary on LRT lines, or even the sum total of plowing to be done on the maneuvering areas of an airport. Car infrastructure is hosed up.

Almost all our major cities have been designed and built (and rebuilt) with car access in mind. You would literally need to level entire cities to fix it, and since this isnt a game of Cities Skylines that really isnt an option.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:38

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Furnaceface posted:

Almost all our major cities have been designed and built (and rebuilt) with car access in mind. You would literally need to level entire cities to fix it, and since this isnt a game of Cities Skylines that really isnt an option.

True but we could maybe stop making the problem a lot worse with every new subdivision.

Or not, I guess. I don't really give a gently caress, but if you're concerned about carbon emissions it would seem like a decent place to start.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:48

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

You wouldn't have to do much leveling to replace most if not all of the roads with active transportation and public transit.

Cities can ban cars for commuting purposes buy a shitload more busses and tell everyone to loving deal with it.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:48

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

EvilJoven posted:

You wouldn't have to do much leveling to replace most if not all of the roads with active transportation and public transit.

Cities can ban cars for commuting purposes buy a shitload more busses and tell everyone to loving deal with it.

"but if there's an express bus to my neighbourhood then poors will come to steal my TV, which I assume is a really easy thing to carry to the bus stop and then lug on the bus because I've never taken a bus and also my brain is defective."

The strangest thing in Calgary is we have neighbourhoods campaigning against better transit, and then neighbourhoods complaining that the new LRT line won't directly service their patch of suburban hellscape. I assume, again, they've never taken a train and don't realize how many stops it would take to properly service a neighbourhood of detached houses without bus routes connecting to the train station.

EDIT: Another point: people should stop saying we can't do transit because our cities haven't been designed around it. London, Paris, Madrid, etc -- all of these cities were designed well before anyone had even so much as loving considered the very idea of a train, bus or car, and somehow they manage to have good transit. Maybe we're just a lovely country of short-sighted assholes and we need to stop blaming other factors.

PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jun 10, 2017

# ? Jun 10, 2017 04:53

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Aug 26, 2018

# ? Jun 10, 2017 05:29

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

I had to ride my bike on the S2S for like 200m once because I hosed up and took the wrong turn on the valley trail and didn't want to ride all the way back up a hill, and I swear it was the most dangerous thing I've ever done. Like, most cars would move over if they could, but even then just the gust of wind coming off them was intense. I never, ever ride on the road because it's just not worth the risk.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 05:37

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Aug 26, 2018

# ? Jun 10, 2017 05:52

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

HookShot posted:

I had to ride my bike on the S2S for like 200m once because I hosed up and took the wrong turn on the valley trail and didn't want to ride all the way back up a hill, and I swear it was the most dangerous thing I've ever done. Like, most cars would move over if they could, but even then just the gust of wind coming off them was intense. I never, ever ride on the road because it's just not worth the risk.

Oh man, up around Whistler the shoulders are huge too. That's the nice part to ride on.

Parts of it are way worse, there's the bit right north of Porteau Cove that has zippo shoulder.

I'm a big road rider and I won't do it. It's a beautiful road but it's just. not. fun. Or safe.

That's why the GranFondo is loving awesome.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 06:15

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

PT6A posted:

"but if there's an express bus to my neighbourhood then poors will come to steal my TV, which I assume is a really easy thing to carry to the bus stop and then lug on the bus because I've never taken a bus and also my brain is defective."

The strangest thing in Calgary is we have neighbourhoods campaigning against better transit, and then neighbourhoods complaining that the new LRT line won't directly service their patch of suburban hellscape. I assume, again, they've never taken a train and don't realize how many stops it would take to properly service a neighbourhood of detached houses without bus routes connecting to the train station.

EDIT: Another point: people should stop saying we can't do transit because our cities haven't been designed around it. London, Paris, Madrid, etc -- all of these cities were designed well before anyone had even so much as loving considered the very idea of a train, bus or car, and somehow they manage to have good transit. Maybe we're just a lovely country of short-sighted assholes and we need to stop blaming other factors.

Yes, London, a city that has never had to rebuild.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 06:21

cougar cub: Jun 28, 2004

This thread is garbage

# ? Jun 10, 2017 06:22

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

cougar cub posted:

This thread is garbage

Thank you for your contribution to improve it.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 06:25

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

InfiniteZero posted:

Reagan Youth (not Canadian) and DOA are highly recommended. The Dayglo Abortions are not nearly as good (I would argue BAD) but always had amusing cover art.

DOA were/are (recently reformed!) the best politically minded punk band from Canada (*):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twSREBowTwQ

(*) yeah I know all about Propagandhi who are really great but I'm old and DOA are still way better

I was hardcore into DOA for a long time but... well Joey is... he's kind of a politician now. Kind of.

Propagandhi is loving awesome though, and are working on their next album currently.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 07:06

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Lol. Hey dumb fucks ever wondered why the city of London is called the square mile? The world's largest loving money laundry and tax shelter. The square mile. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkmmmk

# ? Jun 10, 2017 07:06

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

cougar cub posted:

This thread is garbage

you and professor shark should form a band

# ? Jun 10, 2017 07:07

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

JawKnee posted:

I was hardcore into DOA for a long time but... well Joey is... he's kind of a politician now. Kind of.

Motherfucker. He gotta pay off a mortgage a luxury car and a motorcycle

Just like all baby boomer shitheads.

Kill em all

# ? Jun 10, 2017 07:08

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

namaste faggots posted:

Motherfucker. He gotta pay off a mortgage a luxury car and a motorcycle

he just needs to throw another few 'last show ever!!!' shows and he'll be good I think. They're up to 3 last ever performances now, iirc

# ? Jun 10, 2017 07:10

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

namaste faggots posted:

Lol. Hey dumb fucks ever wondered why the city of London is called the square mile? The world's largest loving money laundry and tax shelter. The square mile. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkmmmk

That refers to the technical City of London, which is much smaller than what is called and what most people think of when they say London.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 09:31

Caedus: Sep 11, 2007; It's good to have a sense of scale.

namaste faggots posted:

so somehow you loving sjws have a plan to implement chavez socialism with better outcomes lets hear it

Step 1) You kill yourself & things improve

# ? Jun 10, 2017 12:10

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/kathytglobe/status/873514467958546432

gently caress doctors. loving scum

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:06

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

How are those doctors not being criminally charged? Is this not equivalent to accepting bribes?

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:19

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

They're small business owners. And middle class. You don't want to punish middle class small business owners do you?

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:31

heehee: Sep 5, 2012; haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win

Brandon Manitoba is a much nicer place than Winnipeg, it actually has hills. Too bad it's empty after 9PM on Friday

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:46

Nine of Eight: Apr 28, 2011; LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN; Dinosaur Gum

We just had that in Quebec last year. Initially the Health minister even declared there was nothing wrong with it before eventually being forced to ban the practice.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:53

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

namaste faggots posted:

They're small business owners. And middle class. You don't want to punish middle class small business owners do you?

today i learned bribery is also called "extra billing" under capitalism

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:53

MikeSevigny: Aug 6, 2002; Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion

The BC government especially doesn't seem to have much of a problem with the practice, despite an upcoming Supreme Court case against Brian Day. It keeps getting pushed back so Day can raise more money, and in the meantime nobody has to bother enforcing the laws.

Theoretically speaking, if the health authority cancels surgeries because it can't get orthopaedic surgeons, because all the orthopaedic surgeons in town just happened to take jobs at the new orthopaedic clinic that just opened in the mall, a clinic that the health authority sent its in-house im/it team over to set up all the info systems for so they'd be compatible with the health authority, you almost might sort of wonder if maybe the restraints on the health care system might be kind of artificial.

MikeSevigny fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jun 10, 2017

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:56

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Aug 26, 2018

# ? Jun 10, 2017 16:57

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Jun 10, 2017 17:05

MikeSevigny: Aug 6, 2002; Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion

James Baud posted:

You can argue that the system wouldn't be this bad if everybody had to go through it rather than having the outlet of paying for the wait list bypass, but it's bogus because people can and do simply cross the border or fly somewhere... it's dollars and cents, so WCB, etc, would pay to do the same.

Worksafe will already do this in BC if it gets bad enough, and when they run out of excuses to deny your claim.

The problem, as I said above, isn't that the doctors are being oppressed by the government, although that happens all the time (see the fights the Nanaimo Regional doctors are having with VIHA over electronic records). It's that in these cases, the doctors and the province are working together to weaken the public system and enrich the doctors.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 17:05

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

James Baud posted:

You can argue that the system wouldn't be this bad if everybody had to go through it rather than having the outlet of paying for the wait list bypass, but it's bogus because a) very few people are affected at any given time and b) people can and do simply cross the border or fly somewhere... it's dollars and cents, so WCB, etc, would pay to do the same.

That's not the same thing, if people are going out of country for treatment that reduces the backlog here. If someone pays extra to skip the line, then the people in line suffer a longer wait time. And it is the doctors faults for acting unethically. Claiming otherwise is bullshit.

# ? Jun 10, 2017 17:19