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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pablo Bluth posted:So if the opposition just need to arrange their vote of no confidence on a Sunday and May is screwed... The House of Commons never sits on Sundays, and has sit on Saturday only four times since WW2. Democracy really does take the weekends off. edit: And to clarify, that's four times including WW2. NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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feedmegin posted:It's not even the 'left-wing press'. It's us. Common or garden Internet communists. Exactly. As much as I hate breathless technological evangelism, social media really has massively changed how the young view and interact with the world. There's a reason Corbyn happened now and not ten years ago. Without social media buzz Corbyn would be that obscure labour backbencher who came last in the 2015 leadership contest
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Jun 10, 2017 10:47
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Owen Smith would have won the election and -
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Jun 10, 2017 10:48
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Gum posted:I get the feeling that Ian Hislop was not too thrilled by the result Who do we all think Hislop votes for?
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Pistol_Pete posted:Owen Smith would have won the election and - Don't even entertain it, it's too miserable to bear.
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Robot Mil posted:The 'if Corbyn is so great why didn't he win outright' idiots are starting to crawl out of the woodwork (on the Guardian, obvs) I'm the seamless pivot from thinking that Corbyn will be massacred to thinking that he should have walked it.
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c0burn posted:Who do we all think Hislop votes for? I've heard him described as a small-c conservative but not from the horses mouth
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tekz posted:What in the world did saudi arabia have to do with brexit? The DUP (who were on the leave side) were involved in some fairly sketchy funding-through-alternate-means stuff where some "research council" was used as a way to bring in Saudi money. Now how effective that was, and whether it was a state actor or just some rich saudi (there are a few), whole other thing, but it was dubiously legal and pretty amoral. Also your alliance mate needs to ask where her own party was only about a year ago on gay rights when they refused to vote in Stormont on it like a bunch of fuckin cowards.
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SteelMentor posted:Can we just start the no-confidence votes already? Let's not interrupt our enemies while they're making a mistake.
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SteelMentor posted:Can we just start the no-confidence votes already? Everything I've heard even most of the Tories don't want to go ahead with this. The next few months are gonna be a farce. Does TM now have a mandate to just go ahead with Brexit negotiations without reference to anyone in parliament? Just seems to be a recipe for disaster. Pricks.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm the seamless pivot from thinking that Corbyn will be massacred to thinking that he should have walked it. The goalposts have moved from Old Trafford to Wembly
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Robot Mil posted:The 'if Corbyn is so great why didn't he win outright' idiots are starting to crawl out of the woodwork (on the Guardian, obvs) I mean people are saying poo poo like the tabloids being even more insanely screeching than usual and some outrageously misleading reporting from the BBC obviously had no impact on the vote, because clearly everyone was just voting against the Tories and not for the nice jam man so the fact that he was being smeared so hard was meaningless. If you actually believe this then clearly ~other candidate~ would have done better. Miftan posted:I was a massive dickhead at 18 and it took a good couple of years in the army to turn me into a socialist. I was a lib dem voting (though mostly well meaning) oval office when I went to uni, came out as a socialist, and turned full communism now during the subsequent years. My parents were both dyed in the wool tories though my mum votes for the Green party now (she likes Corbyn but hates the PLP for being careerists and still thinks that the trade unions are to blame for everything bad that's happened since 1970) RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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How are we supposed to know where the bottom rung is until we figure out which one Corbyn is standing on?
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RabidWeasel posted:I mean people are saying poo poo like the tabloids being even more insanely screeching than usual and some outrageously misleading reporting from the BBC obviously had no impact on the vote, because clearly everyone was just voting against the Tories and not for the nice jam man so the fact that he was being smeared so hard was meaningless. If you actually believe this then clearly ~other candidate~ would have done better. The counterpoint to this is yes, if this was just a protest vote against the tories then other candidates would have done better- specifically the candidates for the SNP, Lib Dems, and UKIP
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RabidWeasel posted:I was a lib dem voting (though mostly well meaning) oval office when I went to uni, came out as a socialist, and turned full communism now during the subsequent years. My parents were both dyed in the wool tories though my mum votes for the Green party now (she likes Corbyn but hates the PLP for being careerists and still thinks that the trade unions are to blame for everything bad that's happened since 1970) Now tally up the people you know who didn't significantly change their political opinions after university. We're talking about populations, not individuals
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Jun 10, 2017 11:03
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The Lib Dems did pretty well in Scotland. In England they aren't a protest vote.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:04
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I'm expecting the next Labour leadership challenge on Monday. Amazingly, the Blairite filth didn't pick the day of the election to kick it off, which is a small mercy.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:04
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm expecting the next Labour leadership challenge on Monday. Amazingly, the Blairite filth didn't pick the day of the election to kick it off, which is a small mercy. I half expected this too, but it's not gonna happen. Anyone offering themselves up as leader is basically claiming "I would have won it."
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One of my few Tory friends on Facebook claims that Labour is now clearly the new nasty party. His evidence? "If someone posts something meaningless like 'Corbyn is a legend', they get 100s of likes. If I post 'May is a legend', I get very few likes and lots of mockery."
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Jun 10, 2017 11:07
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm expecting the next Labour leadership challenge on Monday. Amazingly, the Blairite filth didn't pick the day of the election to kick it off, which is a small mercy. Let them, time for The Jez to score a hat trick and completely crush the PLP.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:08
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jBrereton posted:The Lib Dems did pretty well in Scotland. In England they aren't a protest vote. Neither are Labour. A protest vote going to Labour is weird. A protest vote going exclusively to labour is not a protest vote
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Jun 10, 2017 11:09
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And if I post "Hitler was a good boy" I get called a nazi. I think this is labour's fault somehow
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Jun 10, 2017 11:09
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Gum posted:Neither are Labour. A protest vote going to Labour is weird. A protest vote going exclusively to labour is not a protest vote Labour is in an odd place protest vote-wise with Corbyn at the helm.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:10
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/10/general-election-nothing-to-celebrate-brexit-still-happening-tory-government whinging Guardian libs woke up.
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Former minister Ed Vaizey indicated that Tory MPs were actively discussing May’s position using the WhatsApp messaging system. Asked if there were phone calls being made between Tories about the next leader, Vaizey told the BBC: “That’s so 20th century. It’s all on WhatsApp.” He added: “We all talk on WhatsApp ... lots of MPs are in lots of different groups.”
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Jun 10, 2017 11:14
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You also have extremely high turnout and a flow of votes from minor parties to major ones. This was not an election dominated by protest voting (OK there does seem like there may have been a bit of one against the SNP but what we saw in England and Wales was pretty much the exact opposite of what we normally see in a protest election)
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Gum posted:Now tally up the people you know who didn't significantly change their political opinions after university. We're talking about populations, not individuals I wasn't disagreeing, just giving an anecdote. I find this sort of conversation very interesting because my personal political beliefs have changed through my life in what people usually think of as the 'wrong' direction. I would have voted for the Conservatives if I could have voted when I was 13 (history student, thought that Churchill was the coolest person to ever live) and have gradually got more and more left leaning as I have aged. The common sense argument is that I should at some point end up owning property and embrace loving everyone else over in my own personal self interest but I'm not a socialist because it would be personally beneficial to me (moreso than to anyone else who works for a living) so why would I change?
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jBrereton posted:mmmm I dunno So you're saying that Corbyn caused protest voters to vote labour when they otherwise wouldn't have? That is by definition not a protest vote
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Halisnacks posted:One of my few Tory friends on Facebook claims that Labour is now clearly the new nasty party. His evidence? Your friend is an idiot.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:19
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Halisnacks posted:One of my few Tory friends on Facebook claims that Labour is now clearly the new nasty party. His evidence? He sounds like a fragile snowflake.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:22
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Gum posted:So you're saying that Corbyn caused protest voters to vote labour when they otherwise wouldn't have? That is by definition not a protest vote
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I thought the IRA disarmed? 
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Jun 10, 2017 11:23
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Halisnacks posted:One of my few Tory friends on Facebook claims that Labour is now clearly the new nasty party. His evidence? That's fair, May is pretty undeniably a legendary fuckup.
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Jun 10, 2017 11:24
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I was too young (like, 10-11) to really notice when Blair's Labour started their rise and eventually came to power, was the press as right wing and angry about it as they are about the prospect of a Labour government now?
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Jun 10, 2017 11:27
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History Comes Inside! posted:I was too young (like, 10-11) to really notice when Blair's Labour started their rise and eventually came to power, was the press as right wing and angry about it as they are about the prospect of a Labour government now?
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jBrereton posted:no I'm saying that Corbyn might have caused people to vote Labour as a protest vote, especially in Scotland. A protest vote is a vote against, not a vote for. If your motives are based - even in part - on the merits of who you're voting for then you aren't protest voting. Somebody voting Labour because they hate the establishment and now view labour as a threat to it is no more a protest voter than someone who votes Labour because they want the trains nationalised
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Jun 10, 2017 11:31
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History Comes Inside! posted:I was too young (like, 10-11) to really notice when Blair's Labour started their rise and eventually came to power, was the press as right wing and angry about it as they are about the prospect of a Labour government now? New Labour ads literally had product placement for the sun
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