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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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No, there's a significant difference. A full coalition means the DUP is a formal part of the government and gets some ministerial posts etc. As cabinet members can't rebel (without resigning) it's a bit more stable but a lot of Tories would find it super distasteful. Confidence and supply means the DUP will vote through a Tory queens speech but stent part if the government. The Tories therefore have no power over them and will be forced to make concessions in exchange for their continued support. This is slightly less controversial probably but super fragile because the second the DUP get mad and have a tantrum May is impotent.
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+1 for the Labour membership, just signed up. £5 month seems like a pretty good deal tbh. Also, I found this thing.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:46
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Bardeh posted:As I understand it, Confidence and Supply is basically where the DUP promises to help them get the Queens Speech through, but after that will be in the position of being able to dictate terms on anything else. A coalition means the two parties come to an arrangement beforehand where those concessions are given upfront, in exchange for the DUP promising to go along with the party line. Ah, so they're loving us. Lovely, the left-wing has a coalition ready and raring and the Tories can slip in with this poo poo. Let the hilarity roll.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:48
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It took the British Columbia Green Party & NDP 5+ days of negotiations, including hours of meetings between their leaders, negotiators, experts, and mediators, talking about policy differences and how they'd work together in the recent election, before they came up with a supply & confidence arrangement that the Greens & NDP could work on. The Tories & DUP manage to come together after a single day? How long was this conversation between them exactly?
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Jun 10, 2017 19:49
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Basically confidence and supply lets may stay as pm (assuming no backbench rebellion) but puts her in the impossible position of having to placate the DUP while avoiding alienating her own party. She's a skilled political operator though I'm sure she'll manage lol
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Is there any information on how this is likely to change Labour membership? Think I saw someone on Twitter breathlessly claiming it's going to go up to 800,000 and that'd be great but seems like a really big number. are they going to get kicked out for saying anything positive about other parties or claiming they ever voted for anyone else in the past this time round
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Jun 10, 2017 19:50
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biscuits and crazy posted:+1 for the Labour membership, just signed up. £5 month seems like a pretty good deal tbh. 
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Jun 10, 2017 19:50
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"So Thersea, is May a catholic or protestant name?'
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Jun 10, 2017 19:50
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gently caress the Tories and Theresa May 
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forkboy84 posted:I mean, if you were that desperate to knife a oval office, surely you'd go for his leg or face in this case. It's pretty telling that the average fat, white, out of shape fascist is much more likely to stand up to the antifa when they can carry a gun and probably get away with shooting them rather than get involved in physical violence.
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AegisP posted:It took the British Columbia Green Party & NDP 5+ days of negotiations, including hours of meetings between their leaders, negotiators, experts, and mediators, talking about policy differences and how they'd work together in the recent election, before they came up with a supply & confidence arrangement that the Greens & NDP could work on. Theresa May is a bad PM.
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AegisP posted:It took the British Columbia Green Party & NDP 5+ days of negotiations, including hours of meetings between their leaders, negotiators, experts, and mediators, talking about policy differences and how they'd work together in the recent election, before they came up with a supply & confidence arrangement that the Greens & NDP could work on. Like 5 minutes? But seriously, I can't imagine there was much to talk about. It boils down to the Tories saying to the DUP "Do you want Corbs to be PM?". They'd rather all die than that, so they were never going to say no to propping up May. Any actual policies will be a much more difficult discussion, but that's always the case with minority governments. They'll just have to talk to parties they think will support them on a case by case basis, or just not attempt to legislate anything.
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AegisP posted:The Tories & DUP manage to come together after a single day? How long was this conversation between them exactly? Look 2 posts up for a transcript
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Jun 10, 2017 19:53
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ThomasPaine posted:
And it makes her position within her own party even weaker, because confidence and supply means that the DUP make calls on a vote by vote basis - if they were in coalition, as distasteful as that would be, they could work out deals for the entirety of their government (cabinet positions, big concessions, whatever) and have them somewhat solidified. Now, she might need a massive concession to the DUP to pass one vote, and if they get it, they can demand a massive concession for a second vote, and if they get it etc etc etc. Losing a bunch of times in the house of commons is a bad look - whoever has knifed her will be desperate for another election. Chaos reigns.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:54
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SteelMentor posted:Ah, so they're loving us. Lovely, the left-wing has a coalition ready and raring and the Tories can slip in with this poo poo. There was never a viable left wing coalition with this parliamentary maths. Tories + DUP is a majority, and they'd always have No Confidenced something with Corbs at the head, even if they weren't formally working together.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:54
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CottonWolf posted:They'll just have to talk to parties they think will support them on a case by case basis, or just not attempt to legislate anything. This is ridiculous and totally unworkable (but only if Labour do it)
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Jun 10, 2017 19:54
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Something of note on Corbyn's three-line whip on Brexit: https://twitter.com/MissEllieMae/status/873612070834589698
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Jun 10, 2017 19:54
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lol I totally misinterpreted this at first as "So women can have sex?" "Yup" And so can gays" "Of course!" I think I swear too much.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:55
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Sorry those of you who broke with Corbyn on this, you're now Guardian op-ed tier at best.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:55
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SteelMentor posted:Ah, so they're loving us. Lovely, the left-wing has a coalition ready and raring and the Tories can slip in with this poo poo. As much as I want a government that doesn't hate normal people there is no way to make a majority coalition government once you remove the Conservative, DUP and SF from the equation, so at best a Labour government would be a straight minority.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:55
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The DUP is lead by a woman?! Guys, I like you and all but please someone explain why the UK keeps bringing forth the WORST examples for women in leadership positions holy poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2017 19:58
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dispatch_async posted:https://twitter.com/DaveWardGS/status/873591705156669440 Plus loving one. 
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Jun 10, 2017 19:58
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The veracity of hope.
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What's a 3 line whip?
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Jun 10, 2017 19:59
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Al-Saqr posted:The DUP is lead by a woman?! If there's any take-away from politics, it's that people can and will vote/fight against their best interests ferociously, oftentimes motivated by sheer spite.
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Jun 10, 2017 20:00
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Night10194 posted:What's a 3 line whip? Basically tells your MPs "You'd better loving vote for this, or there'll be consequences." Not actually named after anyone getting whipped unfortunately. It's about the number of times that things are underlined in schedules. Much more boring.
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Jun 10, 2017 20:00
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Night10194 posted:What's a 3 line whip? Basically, "vote with the party line or *unclear serious consequences*"
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Night10194 posted:What's a 3 line whip? Vote as the party instructs, whatever your personal view or you're suspended from the party
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Tsaedje posted:Vote as the party instructs, whatever your personal view or you're suspended from the party * may not apply if there's lots of you or you are too popular with the membership or they need your seat or your position is seen as "noble" somehow (see Jeremy Corbyn and then the Labour Brexit vote in a hilarious reversal) Private Speech fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 20:03
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I'm gonna do the Samaritans donation once their website starts accepting my god drat card. Can we get another book open on time till the next GE? I'm way too frickin lazy to do the needful myself, mind.
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Al-Saqr posted:The DUP is lead by a woman?! She, like May, was the LEAST WORST of the selection at the time.
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Tesseraction posted:Something of note on Corbyn's three-line whip on Brexit: I don't think this can be understated. I'd wager that the Leave voters were far more extreme than Remainers, so there was always going to be around 50% of voters that would have been absolutely fuming if Labour voted against their wishes. They could have easily defected to the Tories or UKIP. On the other hand, who are the Remain voters going to go to? The Lib Dems are a joke and there's really no viable alternative. It was a gamble for a little bad publicity at the time that paid off in the election.
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Jun 10, 2017 20:06
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i've said it before but for a charity that really needs people taking part and doesn't cost money get yourself on the bone marrow donor registry
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Al-Saqr posted:The DUP is lead by a woman?! Excuse you. How can you say this in a country where Leanne Wood exists.
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May was having a hard enough time trying to get anything approved by the Lords before this, they're going to wreck this 'government' hard. Her barebones Queen's speech probably won't even be able to have much from their manifesto because the Tory Party want to blame it rather than accept any other alternative explanation, so the Lords will be able to bounce things back endlessly
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Jun 10, 2017 20:08
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I'd support Caroline Lucas as the leader of most things.
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CottonWolf posted:I'd support Caroline Lucas as the leader of most things. if you're into grifting idiots then jill stein is the better choice
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Tsaedje posted:May was having a hard enough time trying to get anything approved by the Lords before this, they're going to wreck this 'government' hard. Her barebones Queen's speech probably won't even be able to have much from their manifesto because the Tory Party want to blame it rather than accept any other alternative explanation, so the Lords will be able to bounce things back endlessly "My Lords and Members of the House of Commons. My government will continue to exist. My Lords and Members of the House of Commons: Other measures will be laid before you. I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may rest upon your counsels."
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EvilHawk posted:I don't think this can be understated. I'd wager that the Leave voters were far more extreme than Remainers, so there was always going to be around 50% of voters that would have been absolutely fuming if Labour voted against their wishes. They could have easily defected to the Tories or UKIP. On the other hand, who are the Remain voters going to go to? The Lib Dems are a joke and there's really no viable alternative. It was a gamble for a little bad publicity at the time that paid off in the election. My impression is that there were far more reluctant remain voters than reluctant leave voters
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