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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Antti posted:This is why the Tories are right to be terrified. If you're serious about making the Tories gently caress off with their hard Brexit, you have only one number to bet on and if you vote for anyone else you're a purist loon [insert JK Rowling shrinking into a corncob]. That was basically my logic for switching from lib dem. Would definitely go for Labour again if there's another election in the near future on the same sort of manifesto.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How much of the objection to Corbyn is idealogical and how much of it is was about "electability" (awful phrase)? Triangulating centrists chasing votes do not have much ideology per se. Electability is their god. I suppose they are ideologically opposed to not being in charge.
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Borrovan posted:My hot take: if the Labour right hadn't undermined Corbyn by waging full-fledged rebellion, this election would never have been called, meaning that the Tories wouldn't have been thrown into total disarray, we wouldn't have finally killed the ghost of Blair and we wouldn't be in the position to capitalise on the biggest Labour swing (in terms of share of the popular vote) since 1945.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:28
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This politics stuff is all OK I guess, but I want to know the answer to the really pressing question: has Namtab seduced Pissflaps yet?
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Jun 11, 2017 14:32
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big scary monsters posted:I don't think that since the referendum Corbyn has ever strayed from "Britain voted to leave the EU, Labour recognises that decision and will act to carry it out". I don't see why he would change now - firstly because he probably actually believes in that statement on principle, and secondly because it'd be the biggest possible stick to hand the Tories at a time when they're flailing about for anything they can grasp. I don't see the stuff about leaving the single market then negotiating tariff-free trade* and free movement as making any sense, either. Those things are functionally the same as staying in the single market. *Did they mention regulatory standards too? Because those are at least as big a barrier as tariffs.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:33
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jBrereton posted:Yes, it does. What is going on with your avatar red text i have always wondered?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah in a weird way all the wildly wrong polls and backstabbing ultimately ended up helping Labour by convincing May to call an election. Labour is definitely in a better position now than it was before that. I'm not so sure it was just the wrongness of the polls, I think we were genuinely pretty far back at the time May called the election, the Survation poll on 22nd April had it had 40-29 in the Tories' favour. The other polls were much worse and as we know now completely wrong, but all showed voters turning to Labour through out the campaign, so even if the methodology was wrong, they still showed trends.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:33
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What is going on with your avatar red text i have always wondered? A force unknown and uncomprehended bought a whole slate of people new avatars and red text.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:34
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What is going on with your avatar red text i have always wondered? jBrereton and baka kaba frequently post in the S Club thread in the music subforum and have a bitter rivalry over who is the bigger fab of Paul.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:35
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Zephro posted:You can leave the EU without leaving the single market, though. Not even the official Vote Leave campaign wanted to leave the single market. I don't see the need for the continued hard Brexiting. Keeping REACH would be a massive deal. But I don't think anyone's made a statement either way about it.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:38
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Zephro posted:You can leave the EU without leaving the single market, though. Not even the official Vote Leave campaign wanted to leave the single market. I don't see the need for the continued hard Brexiting. Corbyn can't come out for the single market because it's fundamentally tied to free movement and it would be used, effectively, as a cudgel to beat him to death with. Lexit (if it's possible) is going to be about getting as close to the current arrangement as is feasible with the single market without energizing the hardcore anti-immigration brigade. I hope Corbyn not having the same utter animosity that May and the Tories have earned with the EU might be some credit there, but it's going to fuckin suck regardless.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:38
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so is Tim Farron going to resign or what
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Angepain posted:so is Tim Farron going to resign or what why would he, he led his party to a whole bunch more seats
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Angepain posted:so is Tim Farron going to resign or what Why would he? He increased the number of Lib-Dem seats to the point that now their party conference can fill a small portacabin rather than just a phonebox.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:42
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Labour's not made a secret of their pro brexit stance so I think people voting for them who think they aren't going to do brexit are a bit silly.
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ronya posted:why would he, he led his party to a whole bunch more seats well yes, so my thinking is maybe one of the new MPs might have some non-zero level of gorm in them, is all.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:44
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OwlFancier posted:Labour's not made a secret of their pro brexit stance so I think people voting for them who think they aren't going to do brexit are a bit silly. right here in this thread there are non-zero people who reckon Jezza is secretly planning to sally in and strangle brexit in its Tory crib
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Jun 11, 2017 14:45
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Which is insane considering his long term anti-EU stance.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:46
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Baron Corbyn posted:I'm not so sure it was just the wrongness of the polls, I think we were genuinely pretty far back at the time May called the election, the Survation poll on 22nd April had it had 40-29 in the Tories' favour. The other polls were much worse and as we know now completely wrong, but all showed voters turning to Labour through out the campaign, so even if the methodology was wrong, they still showed trends. There is a more fundamental divide in the Labour party than left/right, and that's the divide between people who think they can change public opinion (Corbyn) and the people who think they have to chase public opinion (the majority). Corbyn has demonstrated that he can ignore the polls and still succeed, but there will still be loud voices clamouring to tell him what he really needs to do now is 'broaden Labour's support' (translation: appeal to the right). It's a mistake, and he needs to be firm about not doing it.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:47
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OwlFancier posted:Labour's not made a secret of their pro brexit stance so I think people voting for them who think they aren't going to do brexit are a bit silly. I agree but it's a surprisingly pervasive idea. A number of people I talk to think that if Labour get in, despite their consistent stance to the contrary, they're going to turn around with a secret plan and undo Article 50 and we can all go back to being a happy and satisfied part of the EU (lol). I can only assume that it's because they think Labour is good and reversing Brexit would be good, therefore it follows that Labour would reverse Brexit.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:48
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I've noticed at least a couple middle-aged, middle class TV writers who seem intent on hijacking the energy of the Corbyn campaign and weaponising it against brexit to reclaim a dented sense of metropolitan identity. There seems to be this idea among the chattering classes that if we just overturn brexit and return everything to the broken normal it was before, food banks, fit to work sucides, etc. everything will be just cushty and labour, for some dumb reason, looks to them like the vehicle for delivering this idyllic fantasy. edit: these people also seem to be the same type that think if they jsut queue up at every trump tweet and deliver a hail of withering put-downs on the blustering orange toddlerman, comprised of amusing compound swearwords that sound good to a sixth former, they're doing their bit for the revolution and putting the vulgar tyrant in his place TomViolence fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 14:50
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jabby posted:It's a mistake, and he needs to be firm about not doing it. He said today anyone who wants to be in the Shadow Cabinet must publicly endorse their last manifesto first
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Jun 11, 2017 14:51
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jabby posted:There is a more fundamental divide in the Labour party than left/right, and that's the divide between people who think they can change public opinion (Corbyn) and the people who think they have to chase public opinion (the majority). Absolutely. He stuck to his guns and now he's the clear favourite to be the next Prime Minister. We know most of his policies are very popular and he's already sidelined the ones that aren't. He doesn't need to anything but keep doing what he's doing.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:52
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/873899597147639809 So good to have a leader who doesn't kowtow to the orange fascist.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:53
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I hadn't realised just how many followers Corbyn has on Twitter. 1.22 million followers would make his tweets more widely-read than most newspapers in circulation.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:56
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big scary monsters posted:I agree but it's a surprisingly pervasive idea. A number of people I talk to think that if Labour get in, despite their consistent stance to the contrary, they're going to turn around with a secret plan and undo Article 50 and we can all go back to being a happy and satisfied part of the EU (lol). I can only assume that it's because they think Labour is good and reversing Brexit would be good, therefore it follows that Labour would reverse Brexit. I think the hope is to play out the Article 50 process, then refer the final deal to the public in referendum and hope that after 2 years the public has realised Brexit is a bad idea/the root causes for the Brexit vote like austerity will have been addressed enough for people to choose Remain. Ride the Chinese fingertrap tiger, etc.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:57
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Corbyn won't be the next Prime Minister, that will be whoever's the last man standing after this round of Tory backstabbing.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:58
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the absolute boy tweeting at the orange man https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/873899597147639809
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TomViolence posted:I've noticed at least a couple middle-aged, middle class TV writers who seem intent on hijacking the energy of the Corbyn campaign and weaponising it against brexit to reclaim a dented sense of metropolitan identity. There seems to be this idea among the chattering classes that if we just overturn brexit and return everything to the broken normal it was before, food banks, fit to work sucides, etc. everything will be just cushty and labour, for some dumb reason, looks to them like the vehicle for delivering this idyllic fantasy. the graun seems to be running with that ball pretty hard
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Zephro posted:You can leave the EU without leaving the single market, though. But you can't stay in the single market and get rid of freedom of movement, and there are plenty of traditional Labour voters who voted Leave specifically because of immigration.
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Jun 11, 2017 15:00
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Mu. posted:I hadn't realised just how many followers Corbyn has on Twitter. 1.22 million followers would make his tweets more widely-read than most newspapers in circulation. At least 75% of those followers won't ever see his tweets, because of how Twitter works, but it's a relevant point, and why his detractors are sneering at 'social media youths'.
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Jun 11, 2017 15:01
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Jun 11, 2017 15:01
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Lt. Danger posted:I think the hope is to play out the Article 50 process, then refer the final deal to the public in referendum and hope that after 2 years the public has realised Brexit is a bad idea/the root causes for the Brexit vote like austerity will have been addressed enough for people to choose Remain. Ride the Chinese fingertrap tiger, etc. It's a possibility I guess. Brexit is less important to me than fixing the problems caused in the first place. I think leaving the EU is a mistake: I voted against it, I have dual European nationality and I've lived and worked in Europe. Britain certainly could be successful outside of it, maybe even do better freed from some of the EU's worse aspects. But it relies on having a good government in power both during and after the exit process. If it's the Tories or a minority government of any stripe then it's going to be exactly the disaster we all fear. If we have a solidly left-wing Labour party with a decent majority and five years in power ahead of them, then maybe we don't even need to cancel Brexit. Maybe that's an overly optimistic and hopeful assessment, but I'd like to think that a Lexit could still work.
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learnincurve posted:No way in earth anyone is putting in a leadership challenge for at least 9 days. They want her to utterly and completely balls things up first. You forgot the bit about the DUP demanding Farage is made a Lord. https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/873882158791872513
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Jun 11, 2017 15:06
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dispatch_async posted:You forgot the bit about the DUP demanding Farage is made a Lord. Hahaha no loving way. This is just absurd and surely can't be real
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Jun 11, 2017 15:08
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dispatch_async posted:You forgot the bit about the DUP demanding Farage is made a Lord. Just when we thought we were finally rid of him.
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Jun 11, 2017 15:12
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Being made a lord is Farage's only chance of ever getting a seat in Parliament.
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Jun 11, 2017 15:12
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Hmm, looking on twitter I see someone has linked this very dull article about legal procedures in Northern Ireland. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/revealed-record-number-of-superinjunctions-issued-in-northern-ireland-35244524.html I wonder if searching some kind of microblogging platform for the name of some kind of procedure along with the name of some kind of Northern Irish party would return some unsubstantiated rumours from a few months ago. Best not do it.
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