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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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UrbicaMortis posted:Yeah, plus she already confirmed all the big beasts were staying in place. Hammond and Boris would probably have been removed if she had won a decent majority. That's going to be a fun cabinet meeting. So, everyone knows that I was desperate to kick you out and never talk to you again. Let's discuss the budget. Dr Snofeld posted:Not to mention, Kezia Dugdale is a complete non-entity, so much so that I'm not even sure I spelled that right. I can all but guarantee that all of Labour's gains in Scotland were on the back of Corbyn and not anything she or Scottish Labour have done. I do almost feel bad for Kezia, she's been kinda forced into leading long before she'd be ready for it. ScotLab has been led by a series of complete non-entities who have chain-resigned after each time an election didn't go fantastic, drying up the talent base to zero (and this even on the back of how most ambitious ScotLab members would tend to go to the Real Parliament in Westminster rather than stay in the boring old regional administration). It does mean that they've hopefully run out of Blairites though... so....
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I just keep laughing every time I remember UKIP only got 1.8%.
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twoot posted:According to Ashcroft's post-election poll, 79% of 2015 SNP voters stayed with the party. 11% went Labour. 6% went Tory. Margins of errors from small cross-samples and blah blah accepted - that churn doesn't result in the loss of 21 seats. Seeing a small problem with that last sentence.
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Jun 11, 2017 13:42
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hahahhahaquote:Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming. Donald Trump is never coming!
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Kurtofan posted:hahahhaha That was less "I want your people's support!" And more "you better stop people from protesting with your newfound aversion to human rights!"
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Jun 11, 2017 13:46
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Are there any official sources to support the claim Labour's membership is now rocketing?
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Jun 11, 2017 13:47
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Kurtofan posted:hahahhaha Britain still knows how to put on a riot lol.
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Jun 11, 2017 13:48
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Kurtofan posted:hahahhaha
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Jun 11, 2017 13:50
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https://twitter.com/annaleszkie/status/762694989612720128
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Jun 11, 2017 13:51
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Ireland are warning May about making a deal with the DUP. Also I thought Enda Kenny was finished?
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Jun 11, 2017 13:56
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Baron Corbyn posted:Ireland are warning May about making a deal with the DUP. Also I thought Enda Kenny was finished? Per the article you linked, he's out in a few weeks.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:00
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I don't think endorsing the manifesto would be a big sticking point for potential shadow cabinet members. Even MPs who thought Corbyn himself was toxic and refused to mention him in their campaign generally found the manifesto pledges were appealing to voters.
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Kurtofan posted:hahahhaha Our own PM was too scared to see them in her own election campaign, we won't see hair nor hide of Trump, I doubt that we'll see Juncker over here, either.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:01
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Baron Corbyn posted:Ireland are warning May about making a deal with the DUP. Also I thought Enda Kenny was finished? We already know that the Tories care less about the Union or peace than their narrow political interest, so this will make not a hapeth of a difference.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:02
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How much of the objection to Corbyn is idealogical and how much of it is was about "electability" (awful phrase)?
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Kurtofan posted:hahahhaha lol, I doubt you can find enough people in the UK who like Trump even to do a May-meets-the-voters-in-a-warehouse photo op. What's the source on that?
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Jun 11, 2017 14:05
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think endorsing the manifesto would be a big sticking point for potential shadow cabinet members. Even MPs who thought Corbyn himself was toxic and refused to mention him in their campaign generally found the manifesto pledges were appealing to voters. But it's something concrete to hold them to - the people came out in droves and voted for it, this is why Labour are popular, so if you want to be part of this you have to commit to it and say it's all good. No sneaking back to the top table and going "oh actually I never changed my mind, PFI everything and get me some more of those mugs"
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How much of the objection to Corbyn is idealogical and how much of it is was about "electability" (awful phrase)? me on pissflaps the morning after the election CoolCab posted:I can't fault him for cynicism: I was calling a 50 seat majority as of 9:30 last night. He wasn't being disingenuous- if he actually believed Corbyn was unelectable, his actions are perfectly consistent with someone trying to advance a Labour government.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:06
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Well the labour right are either massively ideologically opposed to socialism or have so thoroughly compromised their beliefs and drunk the electability kool aid that socialism as a viable path to power is beyond the realm of their political imagination, so the two are sort of inextricably intertwined. Corbyn's a relic of times they'd rather forget, and so they harp on about craving a "new politics" which is really just a syncretic mix of all the worst third way bullshit of the 90s because they literally have no ideas.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:06
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Do you reckon Corbyn would have won if he had a stone?
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Corrode posted:Per the article you linked, he's out in a few weeks. Guess that's the... Enda Kenny. 
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Jun 11, 2017 14:09
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think endorsing the manifesto would be a big sticking point for potential shadow cabinet members. Even MPs who thought Corbyn himself was toxic and refused to mention him in their campaign generally found the manifesto pledges were appealing to voters. The issue is a lot of 'moderate' Labour MPs would probably like to keep the manifesto promises they saw were popular, like tuition fees, but scrap things like nationalisation under the false idea that appealing more to business will broaden Labour's appeal. There is still a huge strength of feeling that the path to power is always in the centre and that Labour can now 'bank' their appeal to the left and drop anything seen as too radical. It's horribly misguided, and Corbyn needs to make sure they can't do it.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:10
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OwlFancier posted:Guess that's the... Enda Kenny. I hate that I appreciated that.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How much of the objection to Corbyn is idealogical and how much of it is was about "electability" (awful phrase)? I'm sure it depends on the individual, but honestly I don't think there are that many genuine Radical Centrists among New Labour. For the most part they want power first and foremost, most of them don't have any fundamental ideological barriers against fairness and decency. Some do, of course. Blair himself most notably.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How much of the objection to Corbyn is idealogical and how much of it is was about "electability" (awful phrase)? that's what I'm thinking, they'd support full communism now if they thought it would make them keep their seats
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Jun 11, 2017 14:12
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i'd like to thank pissflaps for posting on the first page of the thread so i could find his ? easily
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Jun 11, 2017 14:13
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Sarah Bellum posted:Edna's resignation letter is being delivered by An Post. I loving HATE An Post. loving scumbags, I get birthday cards from family and EVERY time they are opened along the way by An Post. Some scumfuck opens them thinking there's money inside.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:15
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So did John McDonnell just tell Robert Preston that Labour are still committed to leaving the single market?
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Jun 11, 2017 14:15
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Never before have we been in need of the return of Spitting Image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAzIkjO3G0
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a lot of the people "concerned" about corbyn's electability were likely using that as a smokescreen for their ideological objections imo
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Zephro posted:So did John McDonnell just tell Robert Preston that Labour are still committed to leaving the single market? Yes
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Jun 11, 2017 14:18
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Jose posted:Yes
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My hot take: if the Labour right hadn't undermined Corbyn by waging full-fledged rebellion, this election would never have been called, meaning that the Tories wouldn't have been thrown into total disarray, we wouldn't have finally killed the ghost of Blair and we wouldn't be in the position to capitalise on the biggest Labour swing (in terms of share of the popular vote) since 1945. Unintended side effects of a bunch of idiots throwing their toys out of the pram, or the greatest false flag in parliamentary history?  The first one, obviously.
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Borrovan posted:My hot take: if the Labour right hadn't undermined Corbyn by waging full-fledged rebellion, this election would never have been called, meaning that the Tories wouldn't have been thrown into total disarray, we wouldn't have finally killed the ghost of Blair and we wouldn't be in the position to capitalise on the biggest Labour swing (in terms of share of the popular vote) since 1945. the PLP were the masters of twenty-dimensional chess all along
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Jun 11, 2017 14:23
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Zephro posted:Seems questionable when the anti-Brexit young just voted for you in droves They're looking for "tariff free trade" and is making steps to cement the existing consequences of freedom of movement via assuring the rights of current EU citizens. I would imagine Corbyn's negotiating strategy would be as soft a brexit as possible without alienating the huge chunk of the country who hates immigration.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:23
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Zephro posted:Seems questionable when the anti-Brexit young just voted for you in droves and the EU are dropping hints about forgetting about Brexit altogether. I don't think that since the referendum Corbyn has ever strayed from "Britain voted to leave the EU, Labour recognises that decision and will act to carry it out". I don't see why he would change now - firstly because he probably actually believes in that statement on principle, and secondly because it'd be the biggest possible stick to hand the Tories at a time when they're flailing about for anything they can grasp.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:24
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NRVNQSR posted:I'm sure it depends on the individual, but honestly I don't think there are that many genuine Radical Centrists among New Labour. For the most part they want power first and foremost, most of them don't have any fundamental ideological barriers against fairness and decency. a lot of new labourites, blair most notably, started on the hard left but were convinced by Thatcher's unyielding success at the ballot box that post-Fordism would triumph forever. this was the problem: it was not a false consciousness but a genuine support amongst the working class for the anti-collectivism of Thatcherism, underpinned by the productive forces of history, playing out in a way that Marx did not envisage the faith in an almost teleological historical materialism, so characteristic of the tankie left, would metamorphose to the poll-driven obsession of the New Labour era
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Jun 11, 2017 14:25
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Zephro posted:Seems questionable when the anti-Brexit young just voted for you in droves and the EU are dropping hints about forgetting about Brexit altogether. The only reason they did as well as they did is that they were pro-Brexit. If it looked like they were watering it down the UKIP vote would have broken Conservative enough to give May a majority.
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Zephro posted:Seems questionable when the anti-Brexit young just voted for you in droves and the EU are dropping hints about forgetting about Brexit altogether.
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