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I suppose we align on this; the mystic wizard forms of Shia Islam are the best.
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Jun 11, 2017 05:52
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Human Grand Prix posted:Yeah gently caress this guy. glad we agree.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:04
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Al-Saqr posted:Wahhabism and Twelver shiism  How do you decide to end a rant against ISIS and al Qaeda with one of your weird digs against the Iranians?
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Jun 11, 2017 06:22
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The Insect Court posted:How do you decide to end a rant against ISIS and al Qaeda with one of your weird digs against the Iranians? because a sectarian mass murdering fascist rear end has two cheeks. also there was no dig against the Iranians but against Khomeinist twelver shiism.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:29
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Al-Saqr posted:because a sectarian mass murdering fascist rear end has two cheeks. also there was no dig against the Iranians but against Khomeinist twelver shiism. Most Arabs I know are super into Arab Chauvinism and the nice ones only go back to the sack of Baghdad to find their reasons to hate those traitorous Persians. Does this mean you were okay with them until the Safowiya when they converted to twelver shia? Because that's super generous to only blame them for something 400 years ago instead of the usual 800 or 1400.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:53
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TildeATH posted:Most Arabs I know are super into Arab Chauvinism and the nice ones only go back to the sack of Baghdad to find their reasons to hate those traitorous Persians. Does this mean you were okay with them until the Safowiya when they converted to twelver shia? Because that's super generous to only blame them for something 400 years ago instead of the usual 800 or 1400. what kind of stupid question is this. I'm talking about events and political happenings that happened literally only 40 years ago. what is this poo poo with persians and safavids and poo poo, who cares about that. I'm talking aspecifically about khomeinist crazed sectarian shiism, if the name fore it isnt twelver then I made a mistake, but you know exactly what I mean. also are you one of those types who think maintaining countries as they are and aiming to build societies under a big tent and not splitting into a million ethno states is Arab chauvinism or are you actually talking about chauvinism in the actual sense.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:58
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Al-Saqr posted:what kind of stupid question is this. I'm talking about events and political happenings that happened literally only 40 years ago. what is this poo poo with persians and safavids and poo poo, who cares about that. I'm talking aspecifically about khomeinist crazed sectarian shiism, if the name fore it isnt twelver then I made a mistake, but you know exactly what I mean. Big tent states working for capitalism should be broken up if it will lead to some of the resultant states becoming more socialist.
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Jun 11, 2017 12:10
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12erists are cool and good and they should take their rightful dominion in the Muslim world.
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Jun 11, 2017 12:12
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Sir AIDS posted:Editors note: I consider the Iranian people sectarian murderers and crazed zealots We do try our best 
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Jun 11, 2017 12:32
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steinrokkan posted:12erists are cool and good and they should take their rightful dominion in the Muslim world. Shia only came to Syria to defend our fellow Shias who were being destroyed by "moderate" rebels and daesh . We owe eternal gratitude to Hezbollah and Iran for not letting us all die.
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Jun 11, 2017 13:22
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Al-Saqr posted:what kind of stupid question is this. I'm talking about events and political happenings that happened literally only 40 years ago. what is this poo poo with persians and safavids and poo poo, who cares about that. I'm talking aspecifically about khomeinist crazed sectarian shiism, if the name fore it isnt twelver then I made a mistake, but you know exactly what I mean. Vilayat-e Faqih, although I'd say most of the unsavoury behavior that Iran gets up to would be more or less unchanged under another governing system.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:16
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1920EG So Iran is following through and has brought 100 tonnes of fruit and vegetable into Qatar today and 66 tonnes of meat in the last two days. They plan 90 tonnes of meat next week and 100 tonnes of fruit and vegetables everyday.
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Jun 11, 2017 15:28
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OhFunny posted:http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1920EG lol Saudis getting dunked on with loving onions and apples
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Jun 11, 2017 16:03
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OhFunny posted:http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1920EG Did the Saudis think about this blockade thing before starting it? Because it sure doesn't look like it. They look like aggressive assholes, Iran gets free feel good points. And Qatar is rich as gently caress, I doubt Iran is giving this food away for free.
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Jun 11, 2017 16:12
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I still can't believe what a breathtakingly stupid and self harming move the GCC just did to itself, holy cow what an amazing self own this poo poo is. If Qatar doesn't cave then this will mean pretty much the end of the GCC. If Qatar survives this then What an amazing, amazing diplomatic victory Iran was just handed for no loving reason.
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Jun 11, 2017 16:18
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Count Roland posted:Did the Saudis think about this blockade thing before starting it? Because it sure doesn't look like it. They look like aggressive assholes, Iran gets free feel good points. And Qatar is rich as gently caress, I doubt Iran is giving this food away for free. Presumably they thought they could actually run a blockade and completely forgot that the US runs its Middle East wars out of Qatar just like our president did.
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Jun 11, 2017 16:29
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Trump and the Saudis are playing 4D chess with Qatar and its actually really smart that it doesnt make any sense
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Jun 11, 2017 16:36
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Count Roland posted:And Qatar is rich as gently caress, I doubt Iran is giving this food away for free. Oh absolutely. Iran gets diplomatic brownie points and probably a profit!
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Jun 11, 2017 16:41
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Considering that the Moderates are currently in power and can profit heavily from this, I think this is the best possible outcome all things considered.
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Jun 11, 2017 16:44
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Sir AIDS posted:Trump and the Saudis are playing 4D chess with Qatar and its actually really smart that it doesnt make any sense Grouchio posted:Considering that the Moderates are currently in power and can profit heavily from this, I think this is the best possible outcome all things considered. Oh poo poo I get it now, the Saudis are doing all this to empower the moderates in Iran so they can work with a less antagonistic government.  
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Jun 11, 2017 16:51
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I'm glad that Saudi Arabia is working hard at healing the Sunni/Shia schism by creating a pact of friendship and cooperation between Qatar and Iran.
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Jun 11, 2017 17:35
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https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/873908712104218624 https://twitter.com/syriahr/status/873831773406363648 Jordan kills five approaching border from Syria http://www.france24.com/en/20170611-jordan-kills-five-approaching-border-syria?ref=tw_i (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 11, 2017 17:44
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Piss de Bundy posted:Shia only came to Syria to defend our fellow Shias who were being destroyed by "moderate" rebels and daesh . We owe eternal gratitude to Hezbollah and Iran for not letting us all die. I just want to point this post out to everyone who was doubting me when I said Piss de Bundy uses 'The Lion Assad' unironically.
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Jun 11, 2017 19:41
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Gimmick Account posted:I just want to point this post out to everyone who was doubting me when I said Piss de Bundy uses 'The Lion Assad' unironically. There was nothing about Assad in that statement.
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Jun 11, 2017 19:43
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Human Grand Prix posted:There was nothing about Assad in that statement. Yes there was though? He's the protector of the poor innocent Shia the Sunni dogmonsters want to kill. It's basically the old Israeli rhetorical trick of saying that surely our enemies would murder our people if they could, so our brutal repression, occupation, and mass murder is actually justified self defense.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:27
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Human Grand Prix posted:There was nothing about Assad in that statement. But you did read and understand it, yes? About the poor Shia being destroyed by 'moderate' rebels, and all that? If you have followed the Syrian Civil War from its onset (and the Arab Spring before that), then you know that this is a laughable distortion of how things went down. The rebellion and the initial defections from the army only happened in the first place because of the incredible brutality of his beloved poor widdle regime towards completely peaceful protesters. I made that post because when I rolled my eyes at him for doing his 'poor oppressed Shia'-thing a few days ago (He does this often), other people didn't believe me that he really was a living shiite nazi caricature. Someone said that the 'Lion Assad' thing must have been irony. Well, it wasn't! Just look at his post history in this thread if you need more proof.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:29
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Al-Saqr posted:what kind of stupid question is this. I'm talking about events and political happenings that happened literally only 40 years ago. what is this poo poo with persians and safavids and poo poo, who cares about that. I'm talking aspecifically about khomeinist crazed sectarian shiism, if the name fore it isnt twelver then I made a mistake, but you know exactly what I mean. If your focus is on Khomeini, then you should probably leaver twelverism out of it. It's not like Khomeini showed up and converted the populace to 12er shia. That would be like emphasizing the Sunni nature of Wahhabism. The Arab chauvinism I'm talking about is the belief that Islam has been a mess since the Arabs lost prominence, and only Arabs can reform it, and all these Turks and Persians and Pakistanis (they never mention the Indonesians) are just bad at it and it's no wonder Islam is so weak today. I hear it from mostly Iraqis but also Kuwaitis and Saudis. Their major focus of criticism is Iran, and they don't really think Shia are true Muslims, but in a way that always has to do with their "Persian character". Does this not sound familiar to you? You've never heard anyone talk this way? Maybe it's only prominent in overseas communities?
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Jun 11, 2017 20:35
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OhFunny posted:http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1920EG According to my math thats about 2-3 baby carrots a day per person. I mean its not nothing but y'all are really bad at understanding how much it takes to feed a country. At 2.3 million people 100 tonnes is .00004 metric tonnes (40 grams) per person.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:48
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farraday posted:According to my math thats about 2-3 baby carrots a day per person. Qatar is heavily dependent on imports but I imagine they have a strategic reserve that should at least last a while, while the stuff Iran is sending is perishables and expected consumer commodities. Qatar is likely hopeful that this blockade will blow over sooner rather than later, and of course the government line is that there's nothing to be worried about- how much stock you'd put into statements like that I'll leave for anyone to decide for themselves Also, as far as I know there's about 2.7 million people in Qatar, so I guess that skews your math towards even fewer carrots.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:57
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Qatar will find food elsewhere too; this is the country with one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world, at least before this crisis. The issue is figuring out a new supply chain, not a total inability to feed their people. Rich countries don't starve.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:59
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Sinteres posted:Qatar will find food elsewhere too; this is the country with one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world, at least before this crisis. The issue is figuring out a new supply chain, not a total inability to feed their people. Rich countries don't starve. Qatars wealth is tied up in a small oligarchy with a massive underclass. It's interesting to me you think they'll be effective at distribution. From where does this mindless optimism stem?
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Jun 11, 2017 21:08
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Piss de Bundy posted:Shia only came to Syria to defend our fellow Shias who were being destroyed by "moderate" rebels and daesh . We owe eternal gratitude to Hezbollah and Iran for not letting us all die. Oh really? Looking at the civilian casualty statistics points towards Sunni civilians making up the overwhelming majority of deaths as a result of indiscriminate bombing/shelling of civilian neighborhoods and mass disappearances. They're also the overwhelming majority of refugees. Most of the Shia deaths are combatants. I'm not saying that al-Nusra wouldn't kill you, given the chance, but mass murder of innocent civilians is already going on and it's being perpetrated by the Alawite-led government.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:15
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farraday posted:Qatars wealth is tied up in a small oligarchy with a massive underclass. It's interesting to me you think they'll be effective at distribution. From where does this mindless optimism stem? "Mindless optimism," gently caress you. I'm not saying nobody's going to be hungry, but there's enough money to throw around that they'll figure out the distribution issues. If that small oligarchy abandoned the massive oligarchy to starvation, they'd end up overthrown and possibly dead pretty quickly. This isn't a failed state, it's a functioning country being bullied by its neighbors.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:16
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TildeATH posted:If your focus is on Khomeini, then you should probably leaver twelverism out of it. It's not like Khomeini showed up and converted the populace to 12er shia. That would be like emphasizing the Sunni nature of Wahhabism. Yeah ok that's a legitimate point, I should probably brush up on various Shiite sects before I make statements, basically my criticism was on the form of sectarian ideology of Khomeini and the Iranian Regime. My bad. TildeATH posted:
Yeah ok that's a good picture if chauvanistic behavior, I've just gotten warped by how many people keep accusing me of being an arab chauvinist whenever I am suspicious of ethnic nationalists or whenever I express my support for multi racial and multi ethnic democracies under a big tent. I think today most of the chauvinism is no longer Arab-based ( except when it comes to propaganda against Iran) but rather nation and sect based, the Egyptian regime for example loves to scream chauvinist poo poo about Egypt and stuff as a cover for how much a bunch of loser failures they are. Some saudis have a really racist and condescending racist view of people who aren't them. But all of Arab nationalist chauvisntic practices were the tools and cover failed military regimes wrapped themselves around for some kind of legitimacy decades ago. Which was a disaster because not only did they severely harm their population from their fascist practices they planted the seeds of alienation within minorties and ethnic groups. This schism and alienation in itself is a tactic used by these regimes for self preservation. I don't think Arab chauvinism outside of being gulf propaganda tool against ' the Iranian Safavids' is a big force anymore given that Arabs have had whatever self worth and human dignity beaten out of them pretty thoroughly at this point, it's all nation state and sect based now. In terms of history and stuff I'm not sure, like nobody denies that the ottomans were a giant empire but at the same time they did absolutely play a critical role in weakening the Middle East as a whole because of their Turkish chauvanism and the fact that they refused to modernize Fast enough and banned the printing press for like 180 years, so they did kinda gently caress up big time. But the whole 'Arabs must rise up and take destiny into our own hands' was mostly revolutionary and anti colonial sentiment that's been pretty thoroughly defeated and I don't think many people with half a brain cell thinks that Arab people are capable of doing anything given the regimes they're subjected to.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:17
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Al-Saqr posted:In terms of history and stuff I'm not sure, like nobody denies that the ottomans were a giant empire but at the same time they did absolutely play a critical role in weakening the Middle East as a whole because of their Turkish chauvanism and the fact that they refused to modernize Fast enough and banned the printing press for like 180 years, so they did kinda gently caress up big time. But the whole 'Arabs must rise up and take destiny into our own hands' was mostly revolutionary and anti colonial sentiment that's been pretty thoroughly defeated and I don't think many people with half a brain cell thinks that Arab people are capable of doing anything given the regimes they're subjected to. It makes sense that I hear more of it then, because the folks I hear it from left the region forty years ago or are their children.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:22
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Sinteres posted:"Mindless optimism," gently caress you. I'm not saying nobody's going to be hungry, but there's enough money to throw around that they'll figure out the distribution issues. If that small oligarchy abandoned the massive oligarchy to starvation, they'd end up overthrown and possibly dead pretty quickly. This isn't a failed state, it's a functioning country being bullied by its neighbors. Lol blind and mindless optimism. " The rich wont dare let the poor starve!"
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Jun 11, 2017 21:27
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Also if you guys think that al-Baghdadi dying makes a big difference, just remember that he's like the 4th or 5th leader of his organization to be killed by US airstrikes. They may have changed their name from "Islamic State of Iraq" to "Islamic State of Iraq & al-Sham" to "Islamic State" but it's still the same organization. and, of course, LOL at Saudi Arabia for making an rear end out of themselves over what amounts to petty gossip
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Jun 11, 2017 21:27
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farraday posted:Lol blind and mindless optimism. " The rich wont dare let the poor starve!" Holy poo poo guy, you're blowing my freaking mind with your super woke cynicism. Qatar will doubtlessly be a graveyard within weeks. Sergg posted:Also if you guys think that al-Baghdadi dying makes a big difference, just remember that he's like the 4th or 5th leader of his organization to be killed by US airstrikes. They may have changed their name from "Islamic State of Iraq" to "Islamic State of Iraq & al-Sham" to "Islamic State" but it's still the same organization. The biggest religion in the world started when their leader was killed, so yeah, there's some evidence to suggest religious groups can endure that sort of thing.
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Middle East Thread of Despair: al-Baghdadi Is Jesus
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