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Not to bring inferior gaijin companies into this thread, but Okada Omega II made me wonder: when's the last time the WWE made an extended storyline about the wrestler's moves as opposed to "gently caress you I want the belt, no gently caress you" or whatever. It made Okada Omega II easy to settle into because, in the fiction of the match, I knew that Okada had previously kicked out of all his old opponent's finishers and the V-Trigger and the Dragon, and I knew the Omega's only chance was the One Winged Angel. Then, over the course of the match, the Okada Dropkick evolved into Kenny's kryptonite. So like, the match was essentially a self-contained universe where the moves were the story. I'm wrackin' my brain trying to think of the most recent WWE example. Best I can come up with is Orton's Punt Kick, which is still protected as a death sentence.
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mary had a little clam posted:Not to bring inferior gaijin companies into this thread, but Okada Omega II made me wonder: when's the last time the WWE made an extended storyline about the wrestler's moves as opposed to "gently caress you I want the belt, no gently caress you" or whatever. It made Okada Omega II easy to settle into because, in the fiction of the match, I knew that Okada had previously kicked out of all his old opponent's finishers and the V-Trigger and the Dragon, and I knew the Omega's only chance was the One Winged Angel. Then, over the course of the match, the Okada Dropkick evolved into Kenny's kryptonite. So like, the match was essentially a self-contained universe where the moves were the story. I'm wrackin' my brain trying to think of the most recent WWE example. Best I can come up with is Orton's Punt Kick, which is still protected as a death sentence. Every time Cena wrestles the Big Show there are raised questions as to whether Cena will be able to lift him into the AA.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:20
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Did they even have an intermission this year? That was a ton of wrestling I stayed up till 5:30 to watch, and most of it feels like a fever dream today. Don't even remember what happened before the top 4 matches (obviously all 4 matches were amazing).
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Jun 12, 2017 01:20
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mary had a little clam posted:Not to bring inferior gaijin companies into this thread, but Okada Omega II made me wonder: when's the last time the WWE made an extended storyline about the wrestler's moves as opposed to "gently caress you I want the belt, no gently caress you" or whatever. It made Okada Omega II easy to settle into because, in the fiction of the match, I knew that Okada had previously kicked out of all his old opponent's finishers and the V-Trigger and the Dragon, and I knew the Omega's only chance was the One Winged Angel. Then, over the course of the match, the Okada Dropkick evolved into Kenny's kryptonite. So like, the match was essentially a self-contained universe where the moves were the story. I'm wrackin' my brain trying to think of the most recent WWE example. Best I can come up with is Orton's Punt Kick, which is still protected as a death sentence. Goldberg/Lesnar
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Jun 12, 2017 01:23
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exploded mummy posted:Goldberg/Lesnar This answer is both technically true and yet... oddly unsatisfying. But yes, absolutely right, I can't believe I'd forgotten it already hah
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Jun 12, 2017 01:51
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Benne posted:Did they even have an intermission this year? That was a ton of wrestling I stayed up till 5:30 to watch, and most of it feels like a fever dream today. Don't even remember what happened before the top 4 matches (obviously all 4 matches were amazing). No intermission and the show did not feel like it dragged and that finish made me more awake at 5:00 AM than anything else. Okada/Omega are the best
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Jun 12, 2017 01:55
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this and the dome had an intermission it's what the cody match was for
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Jun 12, 2017 02:38
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So hey I got a question. Does the ref's count supercede the match clock? Like if the clock hits 0 when the ref is counting a pin, what happens.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:50
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VJeff posted:So hey I got a question. It is a relatively common time limit draw finish for the timer to run out on a two count. It's always fun when they mistime it.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:51
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remusclaw posted:It is a relatively common time limit draw finish for the timer to run out on a two count. It's always fun when they mistime it. Okay. Then I am going to say the match should've ended with Kenny hitting the One Winged Angel and time running out during the cover. 
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Jun 12, 2017 02:52
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remusclaw posted:It is a relatively common time limit draw finish for the timer to run out on a two count. It's always fun when they mistime it. The best time this has happened was the time that proved Jeff Hardy to be the dumbest man in wrestling. The Mike Adamle original SCRAMBLE MATCH ended after 25 minutes and whoever was the last to score a pinfall or submission was the champion. Going into the last minute, Jeff Hardy was the Current Interim Champion. Triple H was scoring a pin over someone (probably Kendrick) with 3 seconds left while Hardy was standing right next to them. Instead of breaking up the pin, Hardy then decided with ONE SECOND LEFT to try to pin someone else. Of course, HHH ended the match as champion and Jeff Hardy ended the match as a loving idiot.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:15
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remusclaw posted:Every time Cena wrestles the Big Show there are raised questions as to whether Cena will be able to lift him into the AA. Pretty sure that's impossible dude. To makes matters even worse for Cena, Big Show is too large for him to lock in the STF.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:08
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Jr, IC and IWGP were all a shade less than their WK counterparts, imo. Still the best show I've seen since then. Anyone else listen to English commentary? I thought Kevin and Don started mentioning time too early, kind of gave away the finish
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Jun 12, 2017 04:12
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EugeneJ posted:I'm just watching Omega-Okada now and I already have a "lol that's not 5 stars" moment - Okada whiffs on kicking Omega in the face about 6 minutes in and Omega sells it anyway Better remove like half of the five star matches.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:19
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excuse me but i have a bone to pick with new japan wrestling, and the spot that ruined the business from the gauntlet match: zack sabre jr. not only holding back ishii, but pushing him back as well
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Am I nitpicking or would the ending have worked better to set up Okada/Omega III if it had been Kenny who hit his finisher and couldn't pin Okada in time? As it stands the story is Okada wins then Okada would have won if the match were a few seconds longer. Either way, probably the best match I've ever seen and better than the Dome.
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ChuckDeNomolos posted:excuse me but i have a bone to pick with new japan wrestling, and the spot that ruined the business from the gauntlet match: zack sabre jr. not only holding back ishii, but pushing him back as well This is why I try to only watch CMLL where they do not insult my intelligence with unrealistic nonsense like that.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:28
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loving hell I feel bad for people going to the G1 Special if the top two matches are Okada/Cody and Tanahashi/Mr. rear end
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Jun 12, 2017 04:30
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Baron Corbyn posted:loving hell I feel bad for people going to the G1 Special if the top two matches are Okada/Cody and Tanahashi/Mr. rear end The latter owns so much.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:31
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MassRafTer posted:This is why I try to only watch CMLL where they do not insult my intelligence with unrealistic nonsense like that. no, they just beat up a midget and use him as a prop Baron Corbyn posted:Am I nitpicking or would the ending have worked better to set up Okada/Omega III if it had been Kenny who hit his finisher and couldn't pin Okada in time? As it stands the story is Okada wins then Okada would have won if the match were a few seconds longer. I kinda feel the same way, like the way they got to Omega/Okada II was kind of weird, its a great matchup, but Omega didn't exactly do a ton in between the Dome show and Domininon, and Okada wrestled his rear end off and defended repeatedly. how do you get the guy who lost once with a ton of outside interference, and couldn't beat him in 60 minutes to wrestle for the third match outside of winning the G1 or winning the spot from the dude from the G1
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Jun 12, 2017 04:36
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Baron Corbyn posted:Am I nitpicking or would the ending have worked better to set up Okada/Omega III if it had been Kenny who hit his finisher and couldn't pin Okada in time? As it stands the story is Okada wins then Okada would have won if the match were a few seconds longer. Kenny had more than enough time between Rainmaker and when Okada was going to reach him to build up enough energy to kick out. A pin after that long a crawl is like Triple H v Booker T level egregious.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Am I nitpicking or would the ending have worked better to set up Okada/Omega III if it had been Kenny who hit his finisher and couldn't pin Okada in time? As it stands the story is Okada wins then Okada would have won if the match were a few seconds longer. I actually dug it, because Kenny did hit the One Winged Angel at a point where the match felt it was peaking, but because of the ring placement Okada was able to use the rope to break the pin. It's the only thing that saved him, and Kenny wasn't able to hit the move again after that leaving the two seemingly evenly matched. Yes it looked like Okada had the upper hand when time ran out, but there's no way of knowing if he would have kicked out or not. Okada definitely would have been pinned if he hadn't been able to get to the rope. I think it did a pretty great job of giving us the One Winged Angel in this match but still protecting its status as a killer finisher. God I hope I don't have to wait till Wrestle Kingdom 12 for the rubber match.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:40
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MassRafTer posted:The latter owns so much. it does, and I am very happy it is happening but if I'd bought a ticket to see the one NJPW show I could without flying to Japan from the USA, I'd kinda want at least one big match with NJPW top guys. Cody/Okada is just plain bad.
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Jerusalem posted:I actually dug it, because Kenny did hit the One Winged Angel at a point where the match felt it was peaking, but because of the ring placement Okada was able to use the rope to break the pin. It's the only thing that saved him, and Kenny wasn't able to hit the move again after that leaving the two seemingly evenly matched. Yes it looked like Okada had the upper hand when time ran out, but there's no way of knowing if he would have kicked out or not. Okada definitely would have been pinned if he hadn't been able to get to the rope. rubber match means tiebreaker there is no tie because Okada is 1-0-1 against Omega unless we're sitting at like match 4 or 5 in January
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Jun 12, 2017 04:43
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exploded mummy posted:no, they just beat up a midget and use him as a prop yeah, but that's what anyone would do if they were in that situation in real life
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Jun 12, 2017 04:48
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Baron Corbyn posted:it does, and I am very happy it is happening but if I'd bought a ticket to see the one NJPW show I could without flying to Japan from the USA, I'd kinda want at least one big match with NJPW top guys. Cody/Okada will be great.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:49
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Baron Corbyn posted:loving hell I feel bad for people going to the G1 Special if the top two matches are Okada/Cody and Tanahashi/Mr. rear end I'm in for Mr. rear end vs. Mr. Ace.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:49
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That's a stupid match but whatever, at this point I'm going so I can boo Cody. No doubt there will be a couple really good multiman matches.
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sigmachiev posted:That's a stupid match but whatever, at this point I'm going so I can boo Cody. No doubt there will be a couple really good multiman matches. It's no different than WWE putting their TOKEN FOREIGN GUY in big matches when they're touring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeS02F3WRis Maybe not so much anymore since WWE's roster is more diverse, but back then it happened a lot
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Jun 12, 2017 04:57
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mr. rear end is the keystone of the american expansion
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MassRafTer posted:Cody/Okada will be great. I'm going to preemptively nominate it for WMOTY
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Baron Corbyn posted:Am I nitpicking or would the ending have worked better to set up Okada/Omega III if it had been Kenny who hit his finisher and couldn't pin Okada in time? As it stands the story is Okada wins then Okada would have won if the match were a few seconds longer. Not at all. 'Perfect' booking to me would have been leaving us with 'if there were 30 more seconds, Kenny would have won'.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:13
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exploded mummy posted:rubber match means tiebreaker I stand corrected. I hope I don't have to wait till Wrestle Kingdom 12 to see Omega finally beat Okada in the third of their title matches.
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Baron Corbyn posted:it does, and I am very happy it is happening but if I'd bought a ticket to see the one NJPW show I could without flying to Japan from the USA, I'd kinda want at least one big match with NJPW top guys. I'm not stoked on Cody vs Okada when Kenny is right there, but why will Cody and Okada be bad? They are both very good wrestlers.
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The_Rob posted:I'm not stoked on Cody vs Okada when Kenny is right there, but why will Cody and Okada be bad? They are both very good wrestlers. it won't be a bad match, it's a bad decision imo. I find Cody boring and I can't think of a singles match of his I've really enjoyed.
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I'm not stoked on billy gunn vs tanahashi at all though. I don't think it will even be bad or anything but I straight up don't care about billy gunn.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:22
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At least Cody is still in his physical prime. Billy looked totally washed the last few times I saw him in WWE.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:23
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Cody has yet to have even a decent match in New Japan and the crowds don't give a gently caress about him.
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