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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Jun 12, 2017 02:27
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Why are people so surprised/shocked at his admission? When you speak to people who hold different political views, its pretty clear that a significant proportion of them perceive political discussions with friends/family as an adversarial thing, and feel threatened when outargued or shown to be wrong. Nobody likes admitting they are wrong - and that dad's politics are clearly a massive part of his identity. He clearly knows on some intellectual level that he is wrong to support the Tories in their current state, but formally admitting it to himself and changing his behaviour (ie: voting Labour) is emotionally too hard for him to accept. It would involve admitting he was wrong and his son was right. It would also shatter his conservative identity. So instead he doubles down, clinging to his safe, comfortable old identity, votes Tory, and hopes things will change for the better (from his perspective - ie: a better Tory leader comes along with less awful policies, etc). For a lot of people its easier to ignore a problem than admit you are wrong. Particularly if you don't have to deal with the consequences yourself. I also think the reactions are missing the point - the key point to take away from that is the level of disatisfaction and disillusionment amongst grassroots supporters with Conservative HQ. Potentially great news from if there's an early election takes place.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:33
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^^^^^^^ Yeah, agreed. hit button posted:The UK press in the 70s were phenomenally successful in breaking the brains of a generation.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:35
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Tigey posted:Why are people so surprised/shocked at his admission? If there's any group of people anywhere who should be less surprised at the idea of a person's politics being driven primarily by mindless spite, it's UKMT regulars.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:48
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The Insect Court posted:If there's any group of people anywhere who should be less surprised at the idea of a person's politics being driven primarily by mindless spite, it's UKMT regulars. I'd wager most of us have you on ignore so we're not exposed to such a mindset that often.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:03
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That ConHome dad is the dad from Momentum's Tory Britain 2030 ad. Jesus loving Christ.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:12
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"You have been banned from participating in r/LabourUK." Turns out "show some loving respect" was too much to handle for poor old Blairite Mod.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:17
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Baron Corbyn posted:That ConHome dad is the dad from Momentum's Tory Britain 2030 ad. Jesus loving Christ. That whole free school dinners thing gets me I knew kids when I was younger that the free school meal was the only square meal they were going to get that whole day
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Jun 12, 2017 03:17
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Fans posted:If you want a Gang Tag drop me a PM. Please don't fill up the thread asking for them. I would like to take part in agitprop though I have no PMs. big scary monsters posted:I keep seeing this idea that naïve young people voted Labour on the promise of better financial support (usual expressed as "freebies"). And I can't help wondering how this is either naïve rather than just good sense, or any different from old people voting Tory for their freebies. Not had a good response from anyone voicing the opinion yet though. Young people are stupid and don't know anything, obviously, it's not fair when we turn out to vote for something.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:18
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quote:Asked if Yvette Cooper and Chuka Umunna - both of whom had been reported to be planning leadership bids if Labour lost seats in the general election - could come back to the front bench, Mr Corbyn said: "I am the most generous person in the world." That's no good
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Jun 12, 2017 03:39
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Jun 12, 2017 03:39
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If Corbyn only had some of Tony Blairs killer instincts when it came to party of completely useless cowardly knowitalls.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:45
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Crowsbeak posted:If Corbyn only had some of Tony Blairs killer instincts when it came to party of completely useless cowardly knowitalls. In defeat, malice. In victory, revenge.
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Jun 12, 2017 03:55
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tekz posted:Asked if Yvette Cooper and Chuka Umunna - both of whom had been reported to be planning leadership bids if Labour lost seats in the general election - could come back to the front bench, Mr Corbyn said: "I am the most generous person in the world." I hope his next words were "but even I have my loving limits"
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Jun 12, 2017 04:24
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he's not going to go on a Blairite purge campaign now, not when he's one more Tory misstep to the premiership if he does trigger a Labour right revolt and this costs him a crucial few seats, no Goddess of History is going to show up, pat him on the head and say: there there, this wasn't your fault and it's really all their fault. now you can be Prime Minister anyway
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Jun 12, 2017 04:29
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Oh my God  Conservatism has destroyed my son's future and is now turning its murder machine on me, but the only way to stop it is to admit I was wrong and that's worse than death so gently caress you son!
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Jun 12, 2017 04:33
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VitalSigns posted:Oh my God Torys in a nutshell.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:34
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It's not really necessary anyway, if they remain onside which they likely will seeing as he's trounced their opposition at every turn and won Labour its best performance in an age, simply getting the leadership reforms through will achieve his goal of ensuring left representation in the party.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:35
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Jose posted:this but the anarchy ones raspberry jam and blackberry jam spread on an english muffin in a way that resembles the red and black flag
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Jun 12, 2017 04:41
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tbh i don't think labour should entirely purge the right, a bit of ideological flexibility is necessary to a party of government in a two-party system, at least until the glorious revolution arrives atm the left is obviously ascendant and strongest, but simply keeping the right in some kind of awkward squad-esque cold storage until a bunch of them get bored and wander off should be enough
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Jun 12, 2017 04:42
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How many of the Labour right actually have a clearly defined ideology that opposes Corbyn's and how many just want to be MPs and get Labour in power for the sake of Labour being in power anyway? Like most of the attacks on Corbyn have been along the lines of "we need to be in power to help people" and "Corbyn has nice ideas but he can't win an election", so now Corbyn looks like he can win an election there doesn't really seem to be any reason for them to oppose him based on what he said? Unrelated or maybe sorta related, does anyone remember when it looked like Leadsom was going to get elected and there were talks of the Labour right and the liberals in the Tory party getting together to set up a new party because they got along so well and realised there wasn't much difference between them in their views? Is there anything stopping them from doing that and forming a new Macron style "ideology free" nothing centrist government?
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Jun 12, 2017 04:49
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Re: Tory Dad, most people don't handle cognitive dissonance well, it's not just him. I see this all the time selling software to law firms that essentially points out how badly they have been serving *their* clients. It is flat out impossible to get people to admit to having been wrong or bad in the past in one go, so you need to create a story over time where they can be the good guys by changing now. He's ripe for that after the election result and now just needs the cover that other people like him are doing the same. Then he can feel comfortable switching sides. tl;dr, handled properly, Tory Dad is the foundation of the next election's solid labour majority in "safe" Conservative seats.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:02
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Stupid American Question: Is there a practical/formal distinction between front and back benchers or is it basically just a term to identity those who strongly support the party leadership and those who cause trouble (such as the american Freedom Caucus for the GOP)
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Jun 12, 2017 05:27
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oath2order posted:Stupid American Question: Is there a practical/formal distinction between front and back benchers or is it basically just a term to identity those who strongly support the party leadership and those who cause trouble (such as the american Freedom Caucus for the GOP) front benchers are in the cabinet and have specific briefs that they are responsible for setting government policy on.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:31
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oath2order posted:Stupid American Question: Is there a practical/formal distinction between front and back benchers or is it basically just a term to identity those who strongly support the party leadership and those who cause trouble (such as the american Freedom Caucus for the GOP) The front bench is ministers or shadow ministers. The back benchers are just random MPs with no special responsibilities.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:32
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hakimashou posted:The front bench is ministers or shadow ministers. c'mon that's not true, Tory backbenchers have the very special responsibility of making braying noises during PMQs.
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Jun 12, 2017 05:35
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Jun 12, 2017 05:58
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hakimashou posted:The back benchers are just random MPs with no special responsibilities.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:02
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I loving love you guys:- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold
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Jun 12, 2017 06:08
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Al-Saqr posted:I loving love you guys:- Trump and Erdogan, in rapid competition over proving who is the most thin-skinned world leader.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:19
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tekz posted:"There has been almost contempt towards the grassroots for many years. These are individuals who mistakenly think that the paternalistic, One-nation, pre-Thatcher Tory party still exists.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:29
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MiddleOne posted:Trump and Erdogan, in rapid competition over proving who is the most thin-skinned world leader. In fairness, he really doesn't need the hassle right now, and neither does May. If Trump was even a remotely canny operator, I'd call this a smart bet. Of course, he's not, so it's probably this.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:47
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MiddleOne posted:Trump and Erdogan, in rapid competition over proving who is the most thin-skinned world leader. In a surprise upset from behind, it's King Salman of Saudi Arabia! I mean the guy started a blockade of Qatar, because he didn't like Al Jazeera's reporting.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:49
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Downing street has already sent out a press release since then to say that Trump would definitely be coming. We can only assume they sent out the right one this time.
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Jun 12, 2017 06:52
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Mods namechange to Posh Booing Noise.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:01
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Ratjaculation posted:I'm the guy on QT moaning that the reason she didn't win is because people voted for that other blow. They shouldn't have voted so she could have won. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-uk-election-20170609-story.html 
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Jun 12, 2017 07:03
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Oh gosh be careful America, your mask is slipping!
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Jun 12, 2017 07:26
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So it turns out the boot stamping on the face of humanity in 1984 was Made In America after all.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:28
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josh04 posted:Appalling Tory types seem to have settled on the discarded PLP idea that a moderate Labour leader would have beaten May and therefore Corbyn technically did badly. They're such snakes. jabby posted:The story is the same from the Tories and the Labour right. Corbyn is irrelevant, it was May and her disastrous manifesto wot lost it. This is good for Jeremy Corbyn. Seriously, the Tories learning nothing is the best possible outcome of all this, means that they'll get trounced come the next GE.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:30
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Eat my poo poo James bitchdick.
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