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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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still repeating the myth that Corbyn only won because of £3 entryists and that he didn't win with those of us who were already paid up members.
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Baron Corbyn posted:still repeating the myth that Corbyn only won because of £3 entryists and that he didn't win with those of us who were already paid up members. I mean clearly the way to win a GE is for only members of your party to vote for you.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:41
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hit button posted:That is how it works. Students are entitled to register at both at their home and term-time address. You're right, ignore me. I just got confused because most of the students I know are only registered in one place.
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mediadave posted:What are some good political podcasts? Chapo Trap House is pretty drat stellar lately.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:45
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mediadave posted:What are some good political podcasts? The New Statesman podcast for me is the best UK one I've found. Both the hosts are pretty great and their reaction to the latest election was great too.
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Jun 12, 2017 07:45
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OwlFancier posted:I mean clearly the way to win a GE is for only members of your party to vote for you.  .
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Jun 12, 2017 07:46
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Fans posted:The New Statesman podcast for me is the best UK one I've found. Both the hosts are pretty great and their reaction to the latest election was great too. The Private Eye one is decent too, but updates are a bit irregular.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:11
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pumpinglemma posted:No. Registration is free and easy, Well, speaking as a bloody foreign bastard, I kinda feel that having to specifically register just seems like suppression to me. What do you mean you don't just get a letter automatically telling you that there's an election at this time in that place, and you can vote, so just go do it?  (I'm from Finland, where the government keeps a register of where each citizen (and permanent resident) lives. The non-existence of this in the UK is also somewhat weird.)
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Jun 12, 2017 08:21
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jaete posted:Well, speaking as a bloody foreign bastard, I kinda feel that having to specifically register just seems like suppression to me. What do you mean you don't just get a letter automatically telling you that there's an election at this time in that place, and you can vote, so just go do it? So you don't have to register, because you are already registered. How do they find out when you move?
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Jun 12, 2017 08:27
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Namtab posted:What's the labor party? I think they're Australian. I guess Corbyn is going international.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:34
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Oh dear me posted:So you don't have to register, because you are already registered. How do they find out when you move? You tell them. The law says you have to keep them informed. In practice if you forget or can't be bothered or whatever I don't think there's any penalty, unless you try to apply for some "I live far away from work" benefits or such and get caught with fraud. With this system there's also no such thing as "proof of address", companies can just look you up in the registry. In fact the magistrate's office (or whatever it would be called in English) automatically informs banks, insurance companies etc on your behalf that you have moved, so you don't have to tell them yourself. So yeah I guess it's like voter registration, only better. 
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Jun 12, 2017 08:36
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Oh dear me posted:So you don't have to register, because you are already registered. How do they find out when you move? must register change of address within 7 days by law. information is automatically shared to tax agencies and local municipalities. afaik this is common across Norway, Sweden, and Finland the UK is hostile to national ID in a way that plays into Tory concerns more than socialist ones, really. but regardless, it seems unlikely that the UK will accept such national information-gathering, even if every private credit reporting agency functionally has a very good idea of where you live, what you buy, and how you vote anyway
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Jun 12, 2017 08:40
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jaete posted:You tell them. The law says you have to keep them informed. In practice if you forget or can't be bothered or whatever I don't think there's any penalty, unless you try to apply for some "I live far away from work" benefits or such and get caught with fraud. I can't speak for everybody but coming from an English common law system, that actually sounds creepy and Orwellian.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:41
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jaete posted:Well, speaking as a bloody foreign bastard, I kinda feel that having to specifically register just seems like suppression to me. What do you mean you don't just get a letter automatically telling you that there's an election at this time in that place, and you can vote, so just go do it? It's in the best interest, historically, for the party that could bring this in as law to not do it. Voter backlash from the new voters is high on the list of things that could happen.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:44
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New Labour made the right steps but it seems unlikely that New New Labour will try it again, and the Tories and Lib Dems certainly won't
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Jun 12, 2017 08:44
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freebooter posted:I can't speak for everybody but coming from an English common law system, that actually sounds creepy and Orwellian. Yet the UK is far more 1984-ish and filled with CCTVs everywhere than Finland is.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:46
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she nearly lost her seat lol
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Jun 12, 2017 08:49
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Just to go back to Poncholo's thing for a minute, this is a fairly well known ethical dilemna. The way it was presented to me was: A) Everybody gets 150k, you get 100k B) Everbody gets 75k C) Everybody gets 25k, you get 50k The numbers are irrelevant, really. My ethics class was split between C and B. I was one of 2 people in a class of 30 odd people who went for A. Anecdotal evidence and all that, but it's not super out there! fake edit: I think it might actually be to do with how big the house that you get in a new neighbourhood is, and not income. That way the whole 'spending power' thing doesn't come in to play. It's literally only about if you want other people to be better off than you, even if it makes you better off.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:51
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they'll parachute her into a safer seat next time
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Jun 12, 2017 08:52
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His Divine Shadow posted:Yet the UK is far more 1984-ish and filled with CCTVs everywhere than Finland is. Yeah all that information is available anyway to the government and anyone with money, it's just not actually integrated into public services.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:52
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Jose posted:she nearly lost her seat lol shh don't say that out loud and they might fall for it
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Jun 12, 2017 08:52
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His Divine Shadow posted:Yet the UK is far more 1984-ish and filled with CCTVs everywhere than Finland is. I think CCTV coverage of public places and a national citizenry database are apples and oranges. 99% of people are going to have a driver's license anyway, but the idea of the government mandating that every single citizen must keep their details registered is just a bit too much for me.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:53
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I choose D: socialise the means of production and eliminate the money system.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:53
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Miftan posted:Just to go back to Poncholo's thing for a minute, this is a fairly well known ethical dilemna. The way it was presented to me was: I mean B is the correct communist answer because A implies that substantial wealth disparity is still a thing.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:54
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah all that information is available anyway to the government and anyone with money, it's just not actually integrated into public services. It just depends on how it's done, really. Israel has just switched to biometric IDs and passports and started a new database to do it. Now, the government already has all that information because of people's army service, etc. but I really don't wanna switch so they can put it in ANOTHER database that is definitely going to be less secure because lol israel's government.
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communism bitch posted:I choose D: socialise the means of production and eliminate the money system. E: Nuclear annihilation
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Jun 12, 2017 08:54
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freebooter posted:I think CCTV coverage of public places and a national citizenry database are apples and oranges. The idea that the government gets to know where you live is too much for you? Like, seriously?
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Miftan posted:It just depends on how it's done, really. Israel has just switched to biometric IDs and passports and started a new database to do it. Now, the government already has all that information because of people's army service, etc. but I really don't wanna switch so they can put it in ANOTHER database that is definitely going to be less secure because lol israel's government. In the UK's case that's "less secure than private agencies collecting it all anyway lol"
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Jun 12, 2017 08:55
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OwlFancier posted:I mean B is the correct communist answer because A implies that substantial wealth disparity is still a thing. Like I said, I think it might be house sizes? I'd rather everyone had a bigger house than we all huddle together in our separate tin cans.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:55
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Miftan posted:Like I said, I think it might be house sizes? I'd rather everyone had a bigger house than we all huddle together in our separate tin cans. It's still kind of implicit in the question that if you're getting less there's probably loads of people getting more than most or less than you. Also you could probably build some quite nice little apartments at £75k per unit cost.
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Jun 12, 2017 08:57
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So I decided after having an account for like six years I should probably start using twitter properly. What are some good political people/tags to follow?
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Zero Gravitas posted:So I decided after having an account for like six years I should probably start using twitter properly. What are some good political people/tags to follow? Hbomb There, you're set.
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Jun 12, 2017 09:01
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OwlFancier posted:It's still kind of implicit in the question that if you're getting less there's probably loads of people getting more than most or less than you. Oh sorry, exchange the money count for house size, not amount of money used to buy a house. And the assumption doesn't work because like all good philosophical questions it's supposed to be 'all things equal', meaning that everything else in the world works the same, but 100 people moved into a new neighbourhood and they are now letting you choose who gets what house. Those are the options. I explained it badly since I was hung up on Poncholo's example.
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Jun 12, 2017 09:03
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Cerebral Bore posted:The idea that the government gets to know where you live is too much for you? Like, seriously? The idea that your are required to update your address at a central government register, via the police, and will be penalised if you don't? Yes. There's a reason we don't do that in English common law countries. edit - like I said before, we all effectively live on the grid anyway, and it's not like I think Finland, Germany etc are monstrous totalitarian states. I just don't see why it's necessary.
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Jun 12, 2017 09:04
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freebooter posted:The idea that your are required to update your address at a central government register, via the police, and will be penalised if you don't? Yes. There's a reason we don't do that in English common law countries. He said there's no penalty? It's just easier since they tell everybody else that you've moved so you don't have to tell several distinct organizations. I quite like the idea, in theory.
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Jun 12, 2017 09:05
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freebooter posted:I can't speak for everybody but coming from an English common law system, that actually sounds creepy and Orwellian. Could be worse. In Germany they have basically the same system, except you register with the police.
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Jun 12, 2017 09:06
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Jeremy Corbyn Celebrates Electon Result With A Halloumi Kebab and Fizzy Apple Juice
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Whichever statistician it was in charge of the yougov model must be having the time of their goddamn lives right now.MiddleOne posted:Hbomb Blowing up twitter is a good idea, yes.
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